iPhone 13 Pro Max iPhone 13 Pro still using USB 2.0 transfer speed, sign to press Apple change this

[cocoua]

Hi, the iPhone is the only top gama smartphone still using USB 2.0 transfer protocol to transfer the new shining ProRes videos from the device to the computer, which is a huge shame.

There is this change.org petition in order to bring this to the public and press Apple in order to blush them and to try to make real changes in future releases.

Please, if you are concern about this problem, take a moment to sign in the petition ?

So Apple is marketing it's proprietary connector under a misleading name on purpose.

Because what is faster than a lighting?? ANYTHING. (Isn't Lighting Mcqueen the fastest car ever??…)


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[that be me]

I don’t think Apple will somehow add USB-C to the 13 pro.

 

[alphasports]

I completely agree with both above:
1- it's a total joke they claim it's a "pro" phone/videocam with ProRes file sizes and USB 2.0, I mean what were they thinking?
2- I doubt iphones will ever see USB-C, I mean that would add 45 cents to the manufacturing costs, can't have that.

 

[RRC]

For most people, they don’t care.

Forum members and tech enthusiasts do, but the majority of the millions who buy the new devices simply don’t.

There’s loads of accessories that are lighting connector only, these would then need an adapter. Same with CarPlay etc…

It won’t happen.

 

[PeteBurgh]

Most of the posts post above assume that Lightning ports are limited to USB 2 speeds, and therefore Apple should ditch them in favour of USB-C. It's a reasonable view - I'd love USB-C on an iPhone, though more for convenience than anything.

However, is misses out one rather obscure bit of recent Apple history - uniquely, the 2015 iPad Pro had a much faster Lightning port, capable of USB 3.0 speeds. Obviously, the subsequent iPad Pros went USB-C, and the faster Lightning port was never seen again.

Presumably if Apple really wanted to, they could have used this faster Lightning port on recent iPhones, but for whatever reason, they never did. I imagine Apple has data showing that only a tiny fraction of iPhone users regularly move big files over wired connections, and therefore they never bothered - but it does seem they could have done it if they wanted to.

 

[rui no onna]

Most of the posts post above assume that Lightning ports are limited to USB 2 speeds, and therefore Apple should ditch them in favour of USB-C. It's a reasonable view - I'd love USB-C on an iPhone, though more for convenience than anything.

However, is misses out one rather obscure bit of recent Apple history - uniquely, the 2015 iPad Pro had a much faster Lightning port, capable of USB 3.0 speeds. Obviously, the subsequent iPad Pros went USB-C, and the faster Lightning port was never seen again.

Presumably if Apple really wanted to, they could have used this faster Lightning port on recent iPhones, but for whatever reason, they never did. I imagine Apple has data showing that only a tiny fraction of iPhone users regularly move big files over wired connections, and therefore they never bothered - but it does seem they could have done it if they wanted to.

Do note, the 2015 iPad Pro 12.9 and 2017 iPad Pros (and likely 2019 Air 3 & 2018-2021 iPad) only support USB3 speed in master/host mode. Connect them to PC as slave/client via USB-C to Lightning cable and they're still stuck at USB2 speed.

 

[JPack]

I completely agree with both above:
1- it's a total joke they claim it's a "pro" phone/videocam with ProRes file sizes and USB 2.0, I mean what were they thinking?
2- I doubt iphones will ever see USB-C, I mean that would add 45 cents to the manufacturing costs, can't have that.

It wouldn't add a single penny to manufacturing. Apple has put a USB-C controller in every iPhone since iPhone 8. They aren't headed for USB-C but likely prefer a wireless future, i.e. Wi-Fi 6E AirDrop.

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[cocoua]

Most of the posts post above assume that Lightning ports are limited to USB 2 speeds, and therefore Apple should ditch them in favour of USB-C. It's a reasonable view - I'd love USB-C on an iPhone, though more for convenience than anything.

However, is misses out one rather obscure bit of recent Apple history - uniquely, the 2015 iPad Pro had a much faster Lightning port, capable of USB 3.0 speeds. Obviously, the subsequent iPad Pros went USB-C, and the faster Lightning port was never seen again.

Presumably if Apple really wanted to, they could have used this faster Lightning port on recent iPhones, but for whatever reason, they never did. I imagine Apple has data showing that only a tiny fraction of iPhone users regularly move big files over wired connections, and therefore they never bothered - but it does seem they could have done it if they wanted to.

that's the whole point. Apple is saving a ridiculously small quantity of money per iPhone (which it turns in millions worldwide…) just because people isn't AWARE of this problem.

The thing is not "people dont care about this feature" as people dont care about OLED as virtually nobody outside this forum can tell the difference between OLED, 144h, LED, 60hz, 1920px or 1600px ETC.

Here the shame is Apple holding a key feature for PRO users because people doesn't know there is a better alternative.

I see "lighting" as a marketing cheating strategy as what is faster than a lighting?? ANYTHING (well… light)

So Apple is marketing it's proprietary connector under a misleading name on purpose.

This means people is cheated about the performance as it is Apple, a trusty company, you assume Lighting connector uses the latest tech out there. Just ask no geek people around you.

What do you think is faster? iPhone's 13 Pro Max Lightning connector or standard Android USB-C?…

Apple is using a very old marketing trick and cheating millions of users worldwide. This is the worst hidden problem of iPhone ever, even than the "antennagate" or the "CPU throttling"

"Who cares if most of them doesn't know the difference Hahahahahaha!!"

 

[cocoua]

I don’t think Apple will somehow add USB-C to the 13 pro.

"future releases"

 

[cocoua]

It wouldn't add a single penny to manufacturing. Apple has put a USB-C controller in every iPhone since iPhone 8. They aren't headed for USB-C but likely prefer a wireless future, i.e. Wi-Fi 6E AirDrop.

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wow, so is not a money thing. This means they are limitng the wired performance as they want us to move to a wireless ecosystem?

This decision is in line with that dark era of Macs 2016-2021, where ports where ditched towards a wireless future, thanks god, 2021 changed all this and now Macs have more ports than ever.

The only way to change this is bring all this to the public, as users did with Macbook ports and Touchbar thing.

 

[PeteBurgh]

One aspect of these discussions is that we tend to invoke "average users" and "tech enthusiast users" or "pro users" other such groups. When we do that, we're just guessing - and often projecting our own wishes onto them, imagining that certain niche uses are much more common than they actually are!

The thing is not "people dont care about this feature" as people dont care about OLED as virtually nobody outside this forum can tell the difference between OLED, 144h, LED, 60hz, 1920px or 1600px ETC.

I don't agree with this comparison. It's obviously true that only a small subset of users cares about the technical specs and details of display technology, but I think lots of users think 'wow, that's a nice screen'. The same for cameras - only a small number care about focal lengths, colour gamuts, and so on, but everyone likes nice pictures of their dog.

In contrast, I imagine the vast majority of iPhone users are simply not interested in moving large files around in this way, and wouldn't be interested in doing so even if they were made aware of the possibility. They just aren't interested in shooting lengthy ProRes videos (or perhaps do it only very rarely, so that slow transfer speeds are an occasional annoyance, rather than a significant constraint).

At launch events and other advertisements, Apple features these kinds of niche uses prominently - here, look at these professional cinematographers shooting a dramatic film on iPhone! But what proportion of iPhones are actually used in this way regularly? I don't know exactly (though presumably Apple has a good idea), but I imagine it's tiny.

Tl;dr: it's silly that the iPhone Pros have slow wired transfer speeds, and Apple should fix it. But I don't think this is something many people care about.

 

[prime17569]

If Apple is going to add USB-C to the iPhone, I bet they're only going to do so on the Pro models to further differentiate them from the regular ones.

 

[JPack]

wow, so is not a money thing. This means they are limitng the wired performance as they want us to move to a wireless ecosystem?

This decision is in line with that dark era of Macs 2016-2021, where ports where ditched towards a wireless future, thanks god, 2021 changed all this and now Macs have more ports than ever.

The only way to change this is bring all this to the public, as users did with Macbook ports and Touchbar thing.

It’s a money thing in the sense that Apple collects license fees from Lightning.

Apple also likely feels given the large number of Lightning accessories already out there, it’s better to keep using the port becuase very few need extra bandwidth.

 

[rui no onna]

Aren't some countries considering regulations that would require iPhones use a universal connector?

Personally, the only reason I want iPhones to switch to USB-C is to consolidate since my iPads are now all USB-C.

 

[Pilot Jones]

Until Apple back up their ProRes parade with a port that can handle that kind of footage, any video professional who knows what they're talking about can't help but take this whole thing as empty posturing.

 

[ian87w]

iPhone is the main and major cash cow of Apple. Instead of putting straightforward feature, Apple will ensure whatever they do is to make more money through accessories.
Eg. removal of headphone jack -> AirPods (to the point that Apple removed bundling the lightning to headphone jack).

The reason iPhone stays on lightning for so long is simple, MFI. I doubt Apple cared about anything else as their brand is already so huge that people will put up with whatever bottleneck Apple have. Plus, in Apple's mind, the future is wireless. With AirDrop, wifi6, etc, maybe Apple doesn't really see that to be a problem. The current Apple is laser focus in upselling and making more money. We can say whatever about their posturing on their own feature sets, but imo the current Apple don't really care much as they just keep making a boatload of money.

Having said that, the same issue plagued Android as well. Only few flagships get actual USB-C in USB3 speed. Anything less, even the premium mid-range that are priced close to flagship, mostly are actually still on USB2 speed. Xiaomi's flagship, Xiaomi 12, is also still on USB2.

 

[JPack]

Aren't some countries considering regulations that would require iPhones use a universal connector?

Personally, the only reason I want iPhones to switch to USB-C is to consolidate since my iPads are now all USB-C.

The EU would require it only on smartphones that have wired charging capability. The moment that regulation comes into force, Apple can simply ship iPhones without Lightning ports to the EU.

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[cocoua]

Aren't some countries considering regulations that would require iPhones use a universal connector?

Personally, the only reason I want iPhones to switch to USB-C is to consolidate since my iPads are now all USB-C.

Yes but those regulators are UE cutizens, and the techs requirements are dumb. Have you ever see a pop up warning of cookies web surfing? In Europe is mandatory so EVERY time you enter a site it comes up. Sometimes even a knew sites ask you that again.

And regulators only says “use USB-C in your wired device” so Apple could make a portless iPhone.

 

[that be me]

"future releases"

Thanks for the edit

 

[cocoua]

Thanks for the edit

No worries! ^_^)

 

[vertsix]

Gotta love it!