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iPod touch iPod touch 1st Gen 2.1.1

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esposimi

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Feb 18, 2008
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I own an iPod touch first generation with the 2.1 firmware installed. I have been reading online that new 2nd generation touches ship with the 2.1.1 firmware, (link) and I am kind of confused. I have some questions regarding this.

1.) What is the difference between 2.1 and 2.1.1?

2.) Is the 2.1.1 firmware available to download

3.) Do I need to update, because i have tried and it dosen't work

Here are some images that might help answer the questions.

As Seen in iTunes
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On the "About" screen
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By The Way, IT'S JAILBROKEN :p:p:p:p
 
No, 2.1.1 is not available for the 1st generation iPod touch, at the moment the current firmware for it is 2.1.

2.1.1 is only for the 2nd generation as it apparently fixed a syncing issue with iTunes.
 
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I also read that it includes support for the Nike+iPod wireless transmitter. Is this also part of 2.1.1?
 
I guess so, although that isn't exactly relevant to the 1st generation touch as the functionality for Nike+iPod won't be coming to it.
 
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I know for a fact that the 1st gen touch does not support the Nike transmitter. But if I were to download 2.1.1 from Apple's website like people did with 2.1 will the firmware install successfully?
 
I believe the 2nd gen differs from the 1st in that there is a built in bluetooth for nike. That would make me assume no, it would not work for 1st gen. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
peapody said:
I believe the 2nd gen differs from the 1st in that there is a built in bluetooth for nike. That would make me assume no, it would not work for 1st gen. Correct me if I am wrong.
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That's correct from as much as I know. Nike+iPod needs certain hardware in addition to the software. Hardware that the 1st generation doesn't have.

Sorry esposimi, looks like you'll have to either live without Nike+iPod or get a 2nd gen touch.
 
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Re-reading your post I realized you don't care about Nike+iPod, you just want 2.1.1.

May I asky why you want it? It only fixes a syncing issue with the 2nd gen touch and would do absolutely nothing better for the 1st gen.
 
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Ivan P said:
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Re-reading your post I realized you don't care about Nike+iPod, you just want 2.1.1.

May I asky why you want it? It only fixes a syncing issue with the 2nd gen touch and would do absolutely nothing better for the 1st gen.
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if it has no software difference then that answers my question. I guess I really don't need it then. Thanks for all of your help.
 
2.1.1 is not the same as 2.1. 2.1.1 is built for specially new ipod touch. eventually, some parts inside of new ipod touch is different from first gen.
 
Ivan P said:
...which we've already covered in this topic...
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I registered this forum just to be able to post a reply to this stupid guy/member here called Ivan..

read his posts, I mean arrogant to say he covered the topic..
for your information Ivan, 2.1.1 is A LOT different from 2.1, not just a etter sync...

maybe its not as different as a bycicle from a Ferrari ...but still.
Its not just the Nike thingy (that is unimportant), to start with the battery life is much more high-tec and lasts longer, it has an extenal speaker and external volume buttons that makes the 2G virtually a sound system in itself, a better wi-fi system...and I could go on and on...as it model says, one is "first generation", the other is "second geneation" TOTALLY better!!

in fact, who would buy a 2.1 that is "silent" (only works with earphones), compared to the 2.1.1.

pricewise I would say 1G is woth 10 and the 2.1.1 over 100. My advice, donate your 1g touch to salvation army and buy a 2G 2.1.1

Finally, are people in this forum so badly informed as Ivan?
Mind you, this thread started late september and it ended there with no one to put it straight, has it got moderators? In our flightsim forum (FSX) we never let the dumb lead other dumbs!

good bye
K
 
kmentt said:
I registered this forum just to be able to post a reply to this stupid guy/member here called Ivan..

read his posts, I mean arrogant to say he covered the topic..
for your information Ivan, 2.1.1 is A LOT different from 2.1, not just a etter sync...

maybe its not as different as a bycicle from a Ferrari ...but still.
Its not just the Nike thingy (that is unimportant), to start with the battery life is much more high-tec and lasts longer, it has an extenal speaker and external volume buttons that makes the 2G virtually a sound system in itself, a better wi-fi system...and I could go on and on...as it model says, one is "first generation", the other is "second geneation" TOTALLY better!!

in fact, who would buy a 2.1 that is "silent" (only works with earphones), compared to the 2.1.1.

pricewise I would say 1G is woth 10 and the 2.1.1 over 100. My advice, donate your 1g touch to salvation army and buy a 2G 2.1.1

Finally, are people in this forum so badly informed as Ivan?
Mind you, this thread started late september and it ended there with no one to put it straight, has it got moderators? In our flightsim forum (FSX) we never let the dumb lead other dumbs!

good bye
K
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I hope you know that this thread is about the 2.1 and 2.1.1 software and not the actual iPod touch hardware?
 
The OP asked 3 questions so I'll answer them quick and easy:

1.) What is the difference between 2.1 and 2.1.1?

2.1 is for the 1st generation iPod touch; 2.1.1 is for the 2nd generation iPod touch. The difference is: one is the 1st generation, one isn't. The two generations of hardware are DIFFERENT - that's about all that needs to be said. The 2.1.1 firmware supports the Nike+ feature, the speaker, and the volume controls as well as the change in battery technology the 2nd generation iPod touch has in it. None of those features are available with the 1st generation iPod touch so firmware 2.1.1 will not work, nor can it be installed on a 1st generation iPod touch.

2.) Is the 2.1.1 firmware available to download

Yes, in some places, but you can't install it on a 1st generation iPod touch as I just explained above. Trying to force an installation will fail; hacking it in some way that might allow it to be installed would brick your 1st generation iPod touch, period.

3.) Do I need to update, because i have tried and it dosen't work

See the answers to questions 1 and 2 above. You can't install it from iTunes as an update because you apparently don't have a 2nd generation iPod touch. You have a 1st generation iPod touch, and according to the screenshot you posted in the OP, you are updated - to the latest firmware for the 1st generation iPod touch that you actually have.

'Nuff typed.
 
kmentt said:
I registered this forum just to be able to post a reply to this stupid guy/member here called Ivan..

read his posts, I mean arrogant to say he covered the topic..
for your information Ivan, 2.1.1 is A LOT different from 2.1, not just a etter sync...

maybe its not as different as a bycicle from a Ferrari ...but still.
Its not just the Nike thingy (that is unimportant), to start with the battery life is much more high-tec and lasts longer, it has an extenal speaker and external volume buttons that makes the 2G virtually a sound system in itself, a better wi-fi system...and I could go on and on...as it model says, one is "first generation", the other is "second geneation" TOTALLY better!!

in fact, who would buy a 2.1 that is "silent" (only works with earphones), compared to the 2.1.1.

pricewise I would say 1G is woth 10 and the 2.1.1 over 100. My advice, donate your 1g touch to salvation army and buy a 2G 2.1.1

Finally, are people in this forum so badly informed as Ivan?
Mind you, this thread started late september and it ended there with no one to put it straight, has it got moderators? In our flightsim forum (FSX) we never let the dumb lead other dumbs!

good bye
K
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Actually I had to restore my iPod before sending it to Apple for repairs, and the only thing listed under the fixes for the 2.1.1 software was a "rare syncing issue". Everything else you talk about is to do with hardware, nothing to do with the 2.1.1 software.

And the fact the way you mainly differentiate between the iPods is '2.1' and '2.1.1' instead of '1G' and '2G' proves that, if anything, you don't know what you are talking about.

Also:
1) The SPEAKER, the EXTERNAL VOLUME CONTROLS and the BATTERY LIFE are all hardware.
2) As I've mentioned before, iTunes itself tells you that the only difference between 2.1 and 2.1.1 is the syncing issue. If you have a 2G iPod touch, plug it in, hit restore and it will eventually want to re-download the firmware and it will tell you the same (although hit cancel when it appears so it doesn't actually restore it).
3) Many users have been complaining about problems with the batteries in the 2nd generation; they last little over 4 hours for a lot of people (search the forums, there's many threads on the issue).
4) Many people have been complaining about WORSE Wi Fi signal; I myself have this problem with my 2G touch in comparison with my old 1G.

To clarify once again, what you are talking about are hardware changes, and this topic was made in regards to the software. I was correct, and if you have a 2G touch you can plug it into iTunes and check it yourself.

PWND.
 
Who would buy it. I would. Actually, I had mine since the day the 32gig ones came out but the reason I won't be getting rid of it in favor of a 2G is the charging issues. I have a nice setup in my VW where the adapter goes right into the back of my stereo and I can control the Touch with my stock steering wheel controls. The only problem is that it won't charge a 2G Touch or 3G iPhone. So that is who would buy the 1g, along with anyone who wants to save a few bucks and won't be listening to it on those punny speakers anyway. About all those speakers are good for are games and talk radio when I'm walking between the car and the house with my iphone. Other than that, they are pretty worthless. The 2g is cool, don't get me wrong, but it is not some hyper upgrade from a model T Ford to a new Mclaren. They added a few cool things and took away our ability to charge the damn thing up on 90% of the chargers out there.

kmentt said:
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in fact, who would buy a 2.1 that is "silent" (only works with earphones), compared to the 2.1.1.

pricewise I would say 1G is woth 10 and the 2.1.1 over 100. My advice, donate your 1g touch to salvation army and buy a 2G 2.1.1good bye
K
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