iPod touch iPod touch vs. Zune HD

[SnowLeopard2008]

People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
5. Stolen multi-touch gestures

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
2. 480x272 is NOT HD
3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
4. No camera
5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
8. Closed development platform
10. POS earbuds
11. No speaker
12. No mic
13. HD radio is flaky at best


iPod touch pros:
1. Newer screen panel, more vibrant, visible outdoors in sunlight
2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
3. App Store w/ 75,000+ apps
4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
6. Sexy design, no screws on back
7. iTunes sync
8. Open development platform
9. Speaker, new earbuds w/ remote & mic

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.

 

[dukebound85]

really now? i find it hilarious how you have to add a negative aspect to the zune features while positives to the touch

way to be unbiased

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

really now? i find it hilarious how you have to add a negative aspect to the zune features while positives to the touch

way to be unbiased

How am I biased? Everything listed in the pros/cons are 100% true. Stolen multi touch gestures is a bit much but the iPod touch had it first (iPhone actually).

 

[bruinsrme]

I thought multi touch gesture were first introduce by bell labs as well as patented by them?

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

I thought multi touch gesture were first introduce by bell labs as well as patented by them?

In this comparison, the iPod touch had it first. Zune HD came second. Apple is currently holding the patents to multi touch gestures.

 

[dukebound85]

How am I biased? Everything listed in the pros/cons are 100% true. Stolen multi touch gestures is a bit much but the iPod touch had it first (iPhone actually).

can you really not see it?

People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
negative aspect, never mind its a faster processor
4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
negative aspect, never mind its higher resolution
5. Stolen multi-touch gestures
hardly. there are more than one way to skin a cat

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
neither is a touch's
2. 480x272 is NOT HD
the ipod cant output hd at all yet...
3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
just launched. remember when the touch launched? there was NO app stoe
4. No camera
is it meant to be a camera? my car doesnt have a camera yet its not a con
5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
how is this a con? its a different product
6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
thats pretty biased
7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
onc again, opnion, not fact
8. Closed development platform
and apple's isnt???
10. POS earbuds
the ipods are crap too, just brose the forums
11. No speaker
different product
12. No mic
its not a phone.....the touch doesnt have a mic either
13. HD radio is flaky at best
better than no radio lol


iPod touch pros:
1. Newer screen panel, more vibrant, visible outdoors in sunlight
ah yes, lets praise the ipod
2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
different product
3. App Store w/ 75,000+ apps
ok
4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
ok, not ncessarily the best...
5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
neither are the zune's....
6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion
7. iTunes sync
only if you use itunes as your program...some people viw this as a con, as i do
8. Open development platform
not really
9. Speaker, new earbuds w/ remote & mic
earbuds are still of low quality

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera
there are certainly more than those

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.
largely your opinion, which you are entitled to have. doesnt means its "fact"

 

[bruinsrme]

In this comparison, the iPod touch had it first. Zune HD came second. Apple is currently holding the patents to multi touch gestures.

So now that apple uses them everyone incorporation multi touch gestures are stealing them from apple?

Have you actually seen and listened to the zine HD? I happened to have listened to a production model about a month ago. The sound quality is superior to the iPods. The HD radio is very good. User interface is very user friendly. As far as Headphones go are you using the stock headphones? I used my shure headphones.

 

[MxChino]

After owning a Zune HD for this past week and trying out the zune pass, I would never go back to a pmp that didn't have a subscription service. These things are made to play music primarily aren't they?

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

So now that apple uses them everyone incorporation multi touch gestures are stealing them from apple?

Have you actually seen and listened to the zine HD? I happened to have listened to a production model about a month ago. The sound quality is superior to the iPods. The HD radio is very good. User interface is very user friendly. As far as Headphones go are you using the stock headphones? I used my shure headphones.

Well... Shure on Zune HD vs. iPod earbuds on iPod touch. Shure wins hands down. Use stock earbuds on both PMPs.

After owning a Zune HD for this past week and trying out the zune pass, I would never go back to a pmp that didn't have a subscription service. These things are made to play music primarily aren't they?

Really? What happens if you stop subscribing? You lose ALL of your music. I see the benefits, but I want to own whatever I buy. But that's IMHO.

 

[MxChino]

No, I don't lose my music. I don't own it, I'm renting it. I do get to keep 10 songs a month that are mine to keep. 5 bucks a month for unlimited music and listening to things I normally wouldn't? Well worth it.

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

No, I don't lose my music. I don't own it, I'm renting it. I do get to keep 10 songs a month that are mine to keep. 5 bucks a month for unlimited music and listening to things I normally wouldn't? Well worth it.

Umm no. That makes no sense. But I do see what you're getting at. If you don't download 10 songs a month...

Response to dukebound85.

People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
negative aspect, never mind its a faster processor

me: how is this negative?

4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
negative aspect, never mind its higher resolution

me: again, how is this negative?

5. Stolen multi-touch gestures
hardly. there are more than one way to skin a cat

me: iPod touches/iPhone had this before Zunes and Zune HDs.

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
neither is a touch's

me: Mine is. It's clearly visible. I'll post pictures if you want.

2. 480x272 is NOT HD
the ipod cant output hd at all yet...

me: Did I say it can? This is a separate topic. I address this later on in the post.

3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
just launched. remember when the touch launched? there was NO app stoe

me: So? That was a different time. This is NOW.

4. No camera
is it meant to be a camera? my car doesnt have a camera yet its not a con

me: Some people were like "I'm buying the Zune HD since the new iPod touch doesn't have a camera".

5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
how is this a con? its a different product

me: Different product? They are both PMPs. And it does have a smaller screen res.

6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
thats pretty biased

me: It is pretty slow... and has no features at all. No bookmarks, no search engines, nothing. Just an address bar. And slow loading.

7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
onc again, opnion, not fact

me: It is crude. Did I say this is all fact?

8. Closed development platform
and apple's isnt???

me: I can buy apps from 3rd parties. That is what I meant. Zune HD users can't.

10. POS earbuds
the ipods are crap too, just brose the forums

me: At least it has a remote and mic, which can't be said for Zune HD.

11. No speaker
different product

me: How is this a different product? They are both PMPs.

12. No mic
its not a phone.....the touch doesnt have a mic either

me: Yes it does, the included earbuds for 32/64GB iPod touch 3G has a remote + mic.

13. HD radio is flaky at best
better than no radio lol

me: true.


iPod touch pros:
1. Newer screen panel, more vibrant, visible outdoors in sunlight
ah yes, lets praise the ipod

me: the screen panel is better than 2G.

2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
different product

me: WTF? How is this a different product? They are both PMPs!!!!!

3. App Store w/ 75,000+ apps
ok

me: ?

4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
ok, not ncessarily the best...

me: I said "fastest" not "best". It is the fastest.

5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
neither are the zune's....

me: iPod/iPhone had it before the Zune did.

6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion

me: Not having screws in the back is fact. Majority agree it is a sexy design.

7. iTunes sync
only if you use itunes as your program...some people viw this as a con, as i do

me: What do you use? Zune HDs can only use the Zune software.

8. Open development platform
not really

me: Open to 3rd party app developers.

9. Speaker, new earbuds w/ remote & mic
earbuds are still of low quality

me: And Zune HDs aren't? Don't compare to good headphones, but it is a step forward compared to older iPod earbuds.

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera
there are certainly more than those

me: Show, not tell.

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.
largely your opinion, which you are entitled to have. doesnt means its "fact"

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

Really? What happens if you stop subscribing? You lose ALL of your music. I see the benefits, but I want to own whatever I buy. But that's IMHO.

You lose all DRM music. The Zune pass also gives you 10 downloads a month that are DRM free and yours to keep.

For large consumers of music/hardcore music fans, the Zune pass is really, really nice.

I like my touch. but i would have gotten a Zune if it worked on a mac.

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.

Holy crap, do you even read what you type?

[man in black voice] Truly you have a dizzying intellect. [/man in black voice]

So you like the touch, congratulations. I love mine. But the Zune is a nice piece of kit. It doesn't make your touch worth any less, nor should another product diminish the enjoyment of the one you own.

Stop dumping on other people's purchases. It makes you sound like a fifth grader with an inferiority complex.

 

[MxChino]

Umm no. That makes no sense. But I do see what you're getting at. If you don't download 10 songs a month...

Why doesn't it make sense? I know I don't own it, I'm fine with that. Why wouldn't I keep my 10 songs a month? I don't see where you're going with this. Well i do, but its just more blatent apple fanboyism.

 

[dukebound85]

People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
negative aspect, never mind its a faster processor

me: how is this negative?

for every pro you give the zune, you then taint it in a negative manner

4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
negative aspect, never mind its higher resolution

me: again, how is this negative?

same reason as above.....

5. Stolen multi-touch gestures
hardly. there are more than one way to skin a cat

me: iPod touches/iPhone had this before Zunes and Zune HDs.

your point? doesnt mean its "stolen"....just a different implementation. you know all cars now have seatbelts too right lol

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
neither is a touch's

me: Mine is. It's clearly visible. I'll post pictures if you want.

i have both a touch and iphone. i speak from MY experience

2. 480x272 is NOT HD
the ipod cant output hd at all yet...

me: Did I say it can? This is a separate topic. I address this later on in the post.

you are comparing this to the touch so how is it a con in comparision....it isnt

3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
just launched. remember when the touch launched? there was NO app stoe

me: So? That was a different time. This is NOW.

my point is give it time....

4. No camera
is it meant to be a camera? my car doesnt have a camera yet its not a con

me: Some people were like "I'm buying the Zune HD since the new iPod touch doesn't have a camera".

and some people dont care for a camera at all

5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
how is this a con? its a different product

me: Different product? They are both PMPs. And it does have a smaller screen res.

yes, its a different product. the zune is not meant to be an exact clone of a touch.....

6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
thats pretty biased

me: It is pretty slow... and has no features at all. No bookmarks, no search engines, nothing. Just an address bar. And slow loading.

give it time

7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
onc again, opnion, not fact

me: It is crude. Did I say this is all fact?

then dont object when i say your review is biased if you know want to start using opinions as opposed to writing an unbiased comparision

8. Closed development platform
and apple's isnt???

me: I can buy apps from 3rd parties. That is what I meant. Zune HD users can't.

give it time

10. POS earbuds
the ipods are crap too, just brose the forums

me: At least it has a remote and mic, which can't be said for Zune HD.

still crappy quality headphones that i always exchange out for

11. No speaker
different product

me: How is this a different product? They are both PMPs.

*sigh* i explained this already

12. No mic
its not a phone.....the touch doesnt have a mic either

me: Yes it does, the included earbuds for 32/64GB iPod touch 3G has a remote + mic.

so its really just a benefit in the headphones then, not the actual device

2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
different product

me: WTF? How is this a different product? They are both PMPs!!!!!

yes they are different products.......

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4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
ok, not ncessarily the best...

me: I said "fastest" not "best". It is the fastest.

sources?

5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
neither are the zune's....

me: iPod/iPhone had it before the Zune did.

so?

6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion

me: Not having screws in the back is fact. Majority agree it is a sexy design.

who is this majority? doesnt it only depend on if one buys it or not? and i know people will buy the zune soooo yea

7. iTunes sync
only if you use itunes as your program...some people viw this as a con, as i do

me: What do you use? Zune HDs can only use the Zune software.

i use itunes, not because i want to. just saying how this isnt a pro to me and many others at all

8. Open development platform
not really

me: Open to 3rd party app developers.

and i bet the zune will be the same...it just launched

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera
there are certainly more than those

me: Show, not tell.

to me, navigation, media manegment, apps in background, etc. do i relaly need to go on?

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.
largely your opinion, which you are entitled to have. doesnt means its "fact"

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.

then dont get upset when i call your review biased.

My only point was that this is not an objective comparision. We know you like the ipod, good for you

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

lol at this whole thread.

 

[MxChino]

Response to dukebound85.

6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion

me: Not having screws in the back is fact. Majority agree it is a sexy design.

Yes, the back of an ipod is so sexy. If you look at it wrong it scratches.

 

[ucfgrad93]

While the Zune HD looks like a great player it does have some drawbacks when compared to the iPod Touch.

1. Lack of apps. Yeah, I know the iPod touch launched with no app store, but the lack of apps will hurt the appeal of the Zune to those who might switch from the iPod touch.

2. Lack of Mac compatibility. I do run Windows on my Macs, but only because my wife needs them for work. If you use a Mac, the Zune doesn't work with Mac OS therefore it is a no go.

3. It is only available in 1 country. Are you kidding me? The Zune has been around for 2-3 years, yet you can only get one in the U.S. The Zune will never be successful or gain marketshare if it is limited to only one country.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.

How am I biased? Everything listed in the pros/cons are 100% true. Stolen multi touch gestures is a bit much but the iPod touch had it first (iPhone actually).

looks like you said right there that it was a fact..

The point the other guy was trying to make is that you are entitled to your opinion (that the iPod touch is better than the zune hd), but don't post it as a fact and unbiased review.

 

[thegoldenmackid]

lol at this whole thread.

Thanks. I agree with dukebound85, this really is not even close to be fair. You can't use words like "stolen" in attempt to comparing. Who cares? They both have the touchscreen, I'm lost why it's a matter of "I had it before you did, so I win."

Also, SnowLeopard2008, I know you have an iPod touch, but how much time have you spent with the Zune?

 

[FieryFurnace]

I'm right now deciding which on to get, so I was hoping for a real and serious Touch vs. Zune thread.

And what did I have read once I clicked on it?

... ....

 

[MxChino]

I'm right now deciding which on to get, so I was hoping for a real and serious Touch vs. Zune thread.

And what did I have read once I clicked on it?

... ....

If you want to listen to music and like what zunepass gives you, get the zune.

If you want to be able to look up types of birds, get an ipod touch.

 

[kate-willbury]

by far the worst comparison i've seen yet. the zune hd clearly blows the ipod touch out of the water. i already have an iphone, but if i were in the market for a pmp i would easily pick the zune hd instead.

 

[yg17]

Yes, the back of an ipod is so sexy. If you look at it wrong it scratches.

Pretty much summed up the back of the player argument. The Zune may have screws, but I'm sure it doesn't scratch if you look at it funny.

 

[solaris7]

ouch.....

basically, snowleopard2008 got owned/pwned in this argument

 

[tundotcom]

first one to give me a camera gets my $300