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Hey Guys, I've never owned a macbook or any other apple product besides Iphone 3Gs. I have been looking for a really good laptop for a while, I've always liked the asthetics and look of apple laptops but I prefer to use Windows.

I have been waiting for the new Dell redesign of XPS15 notebook line but I don't see it coming anytime soon. I'm a huge fan of the 16" display on the new macbook pro.

I've priced out a a macbook with the following specs for roughly $5000 CAD

  • 2.4GHz 8-core 9th-generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz
  • 32GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory
  • AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory
  • 2TB SSD storage
  • 16-inch Retina display with True Tone
  • Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
  • Touch Bar and Touch ID
My question is, if I run bootcamp on it, will it rival any other Windows dedicated laptop? And I have no experience running bootcamp. Will all the macbook features work with windows, like proper brightness control, proper speaker volume, the touchbar etc.? Am I better off buying a Windows dedicated machine?

Thanks
 
They will, but not as seamlessly as under macOS. Some of the advanced Thunderbolt functionality (like driving high resolution displays) will not function to its full capacity. Battery life won’t be as great (since MacBooks get great battery life due to the software optimizations in macOS).

You’ll also get better hardware options going with a Windows laptop. (AMD CPUs, Nvidia graphics options).

As mentioned, you’re probably better off with a Windows laptop.
 
I can't seem to find any other windows laptop that rival the MacBook in terms of design. The next one close to it is the xps15, but it doesn't share the same screen and aspect ratio.

I know the Dell xps15 might be cheaper but my business is covering the cost. If there are other reasons besides the cost, let me know.

Thanks and appreciate the input.
 
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If you plan on using this as a laptop, the MacBook Pro under bootcamp will not/can not switch to its integrated GPU - the result is your battery life will suffer greatly using Windows alone. Can't stress that enough. Also the Touch Bar loses all but basic functionality. I can't speak to the 16" but a weird problem my 15" has is that the sound quality is drastically reduced in Windows.

If you care about the design and materials quality of the chassis a lot, and you're down to spend serious cash, check out the Razer Blade Studio.
 
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Yeah, seems like you might be better off with some of the windows laptops. Multiple NVME ssds, OLED displays, seems like heaven. On the other hand, no OS X, plastic frames, it’s a bit of a toss up.
 
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Do not get one purely as a windows laptop, the boot camp support is kinda half baked, bad cpu speed/thermal management compared to macos, far lower battery life, et.
 
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Given that you have never used a Mac, is the reason you prefer windows purely that it’s what you know? Or is it that your business uses software that only works on windows?

I have used a Mac for work for the last 14 years. I do contract work so change companies regularly, and it rarely is a problem to use a Mac.
 
Yeah, seems like you might be better off with some of the windows laptops. Multiple NVME ssds, OLED displays, seems like heaven. On the other hand, no OS X, plastic frames, it’s a bit of a toss up.
The Razer Blade has a really nice metal chassis. It’s the closest thing a Windows laptop gets to a MacBook Pro.
 
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For me, I've always had small headaches running windows on macs. Nothing major just issues with drivers or lack of updates from Apple

If windows is your goal then it makes more sense to our for a pc.

I have a thinkpad X1 Extreme and for led money you get more expandability, fast hardware and a solidly built machine

As for the razer, they are great as well but expensive. I liken the two as the x1e as a minivan, not sect but extremely capable and the razer is sports car - fast and gorgeous

If a fast GPU is a must the razer is a good choice, if an overall capable machine is needed the I think you cannot go wrong with the thinkpad
 
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I can't seem to find any other windows laptop that rival the MacBook in terms of design. The next one close to it is the xps15, but it doesn't share the same screen and aspect ratio.

I know the Dell xps15 might be cheaper but my business is covering the cost. If there are other reasons besides the cost, let me know.

Thanks and appreciate the input.

So since you’re not paying for it you don’t care ? That’s a great employee! You should look for function over form. A MacBook is a bad windows laptop.
 
So since you’re not paying for it you don’t care ?

Just because a business is paying for it doesn't mean the OP isn't paying for it. Being self employed I'd say exactly the same thing where the intent of statement being the actual cost is significantly cheaper through taxes and depreciation.

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As for the original question, I'm less inclined to suggest using a Mac as a Windows system via bootcamp and zero need of macOS given the TouchBar. The implementation is more so that you can rather than you particularly should.

Additionally, you will need to be mindful of whether you care to partition as the implementation of bootcamp partitioning is really rigid. You can have more than the 2 partitions that Apple lumps on you but that takes some dancing about.

And then there's caring to have access to a BIOS. Some do, some don't.

Don't get me wrong, I've never had any issues with Windows under bootcamp although my requirements of Windows is *really* low and I do very little there. So you need to mindful of whether my "no issues" is more through what I'm doing and/or how little I'm doing it.

If your need is for Windows, ad only Windows, I'd buy a Windows laptop like everyone else seems to suggest.
 
Thanks to each and everyone of you, who commented. Based on your suggestions, I wont be buying a macbook pro for windows. Like many of you said, its a great machine for osx, but not windows.

I will do more research on razerblade and thinkpads.

For home use, I was able to snag a dell xps 15 for $1979CAD (~$1400USD) last night with following specs:

15.6" 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) OLED InfinityEdge Anti-Reflective Non-Touch 100% DCI-P3 400-Nits display
9th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H (12MB Cache, up to 4.5 GHz, 6 cores)
32GB DDR4-2666MHz, 2x16G
1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5

This will be my home laptop as I still require one for work.
 
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If my employer doesn’t do profit sharing, then why should I care if my laptop costs them a bit more?
 
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If my employer doesn’t do profit sharing, then why should I care if my laptop costs them a bit more?

Because there is a finite pool of money. Any money spent on your laptop is money that cannot be spent on something else like better chairs, desks, food in the break rooms, etc.
 
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Or fat bonuses for the CEO. When I work for a company, unless I’m an executive, I have no control over waste and excess spending. If I’m bringing in profit for the company, then asking them to spend more for a machine that helps them make money is a benefit for them.
 
"Is it a good idea to get Macbook Pro 16 for Windows 10 for $5000?"

No.
I don't think it's "a good idea" to spend $5,000 on ANY MacBook Pro (or on ANY laptop, for that matter), but perhaps that's just me.

But, hey -- if you've got the money and don't mind tossin' it away, go right ahead...
 
Or fat bonuses for the CEO. When I work for a company, unless I’m an executive, I have no control over waste and excess spending. If I’m bringing in profit for the company, then asking them to spend more for a machine that helps them make money is a benefit for them.

Sure hope you never work for my company with that attitude.
 
If all you’re going to do is to run Windows you’re better off getting a windows laptop

I tend to disagree. I mean: if you don't prefer the MacBook hardware, sure; but if you do (as the OP indicated he might) the Mac is otherwise a competent mobile PC that's mostly equivalent to any other Windows laptop with equivalent specs. I'm typing this in Windows on my 16" Pro right now and I've long used Windows via Boot Camp with few issues. Not no issues, but few relatively speaking; and these are discussed below.

It's true Windows is nowhere near as power-efficient as macOS. But on my old 15" (2015) I used to get pretty good battery life considering (6-7 hours under light load or only an hour or two less than macOS). For some reason on my new 16" the estimate isn't that great at the moment, but I haven't activated Windows yet so I can't do much customisation or tweaking. The estimate might also be poor because I haven't run it flat in Windows yet (or Mac really; it's only got 2 cycles!). I'm expecting a solid 7-8 hours under light loads with the maximum Battery Saver setting enabled, but this isn't confirmed and it's currently not looking likely, unfortunately (edit: my iPhone was plugged in so that probably affected it). If it did (as it should) that is still far better than a lot of Windows PCs; many of whom have smaller batteries or come bundled with lots of bloatware. If it could use integrated graphics that would help, so it's definitely still one of the downsides of using Windows on a Mac, but for maximum battery life for light tasks like browsing I'll just boot into Mac anyway, so it's a non-issue for me. The Windows tasks I use it for are work and productivity or gaming when I'm mostly (or for gaming always) plugged-in at a desk. If you want to use Windows primarily, you can give it the majority of disk space when setting up your Boot Camp partition, but I'd certainly recommend keeping at least a small Mac partition for those times when you need maximum efficiency and battery life.

The other issue is that Apple/AMD (it's hard to tell who exactly is at fault here) are very slow to update graphics drivers, so you get far less support for them. Many people can install hacked versions of the drivers without issue, but this is unofficial and unsupported.

Other than that, I've found MacBook Pros to be an enjoyable way to use Windows. In answer to your other questions, yes brightness and sound volume (and features) are fine, but the Touch Bar has only limited support in Windows. You get two options for the Touch Bar: a setup that mimics the previous Mac's brightness, volume, audio track skip/pause/play etc setup, or a straight-up 1-12 Function keys.
 
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Thanks to each and everyone of you, who commented. Based on your suggestions, I wont be buying a macbook pro for windows. Like many of you said, its a great machine for osx, but not windows.

I will do more research on razerblade and thinkpads.
Consider the Microsoft surface line and dell XPS line also :)
 
Sure hope you never work for my company with that attitude.
I’m thrilled to say I never will. Thanks though!
Allow me to elaborate. I don’t know what company you run, nor do I want to. But long ago, I worked for major tech companies. When their shares lost value, they cut jobs. Not because profits were down, but because it pleased the investors. Then they rehires folks again, and the cycle started all over again. Sorry to tell you, that model breeds no loyalty whatsoever for the company. So if you want me to care about how much you’re spending on my chair my desk my computer, you should A) provide some kind of monetary benefit to me to make it worth my while to save you money, outside of salary and benefits that are already expected, and B) you should lead by example. How much more do you get paid than me? How many trips do you make on the company’s dime? What machine do YOU have in your office? If you expect loyalty from me, you need to provide me with something to make it worth my while, because no matter how hard I work, I know you’ll fire me as soon as it bumps the stock.
You may run a small company, if so, good for you, but this is business. If I find a job that pays more and gives me better benefits, I’m out. If you find someone cheaper than me, I’m out.
 
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Consider the Microsoft surface line and dell XPS line also :)

the surface laptop 3, seems like a ripoff to me. XPS seems like a good deal. I'll see if i can wait till they redesign and release the new xps15 (or xps 16)
 
Re Razor, I've heard only negative comments when it comes to support. Naturally, those individuals may well be the minority, but I wouldn't go near them.
 
Re Razor, I've heard only negative comments when it comes to support. Naturally, those individuals may well be the minority, but I wouldn't go near them.
Pardon me if I’m wrong about this, but isn’t that generally the case, or has this changed? What I mean is, in the past, folks have complained about Apple support and QC, but when they went with Dell ( including Alienware) or Razer, they found the support and QC to be far worse than Apple? I know a few years ago, Apple was consistently winning opinions about support. That said, I think it says more about PC companies lack of support than Apple having great support.
 
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