I suppose it is for sure that we'll see a Leopard preview at WWDC. But can Apple release a beta version of Leopard at WWDC? To developer's only or public beta like Vista one. I don't remember such a thing with Tiger; but my memory may be playing a trick to me.
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Is "Leopard Beta" possible WWDC?
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Doubt it, they probably won't even start dev betas till 3-4 months down the lane.. OS X beta was the only public beta release doubt there will be any more like that.
*oh as AppleMatt posted after mine i did forget about the dvds after the keynote.. my bad.
*oh as AppleMatt posted after mine i did forget about the dvds after the keynote.. my bad.
For the last few years Apple have handed out beta DVDs after the keynote, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did this year too, considering the target ship date is closer than the Tiger WWDC to release timeframe.
They haven't released a beta to the public for years, and it was more of a 'how do you like our new OS' rather than a developer release, which function primarily to allow developers to create applications ready for Leopards new features the day it is released.
AppleMatt
They haven't released a beta to the public for years, and it was more of a 'how do you like our new OS' rather than a developer release, which function primarily to allow developers to create applications ready for Leopards new features the day it is released.
AppleMatt
Caitlyn said:Haha, Larry, yes, that would definitely get him/her a Leopard "beta". And only $3,500.
If I recall, as the OS release comes closer, you can order a developer "subscription" that gets you all the latest builds of the new OS but NOT any other developer perks for around $500. You also got a boxed copy of the OS when it's released.
Caitlyn said:Haha, Larry, yes, that would definitely get him/her a Leopard "beta". And only $3,500.
Hey who knows, he could have a fat wallet.
What's this mythical "target ship date" you speak of? As far as I know, the only time frame Apple has officially given is "Late 2006 - Early 2007" which could be as late as March 2007. Given that Tiger took 8, 9 months to go from developer preview to public release, I have strong doubts that Leopard will even be ready by MWSF, which would only be 5 months after the developer preview.AppleMatt said:
i have a feeling that Leapord will be ready right around MWSF. why? to steal Vista's thunder, and pump another one out before Vista ships.
lilstewart said:I think PlaceofDis is right.
And if they do, I will laugh my ass off.
so will i since microsoft will make so much money off vista!
My prediction is that during the Keynote, Steve Jobs will announce that there are pre-release DVDs of Leopard available in Room X after the Keynote.
dongmin said:
Tiger was previewed in June 04 and released at the end of April 05 but since there were quite major low-level API changes in Tiger (eg Core Image and Core Video) which were supposedly meant to stop major API changes going forward, I'm hoping that there's less need for a long delay in Leopard's release date.
I'm doubtful of a pre-Christmas release since the developers do need some time to make changes although it would likely get some good press coverage with the Vista slip into 07 - but I expect it's more likely to be a MWSF announcement with an on-sale date of end Jan
treblah said:Uh, they don't have to do anything like that.
And seeing how much 10.3.0 and 10.4.0 sucked, it doesn't seem like the developer testing is all that helpful
I beg to differ..Developer testing is VERY helpful..
It's the developers that get into the guts and find the real bugs..
Select and Premier members will probably get the Beta after WWDC..Leopard will have gone through Alpha by the time Job's shows it off..
dongmin said:
The "mythical "target ship date"" I speak of is just as you thought, i.e. what Apple have (very) publically announced. I'm sorry that I used 'date' and you would prefer 'time frame', however the use is justified. By saying "could be as late as March 2007" you've reinforced my point - by definition of the statement the target ship date of up-to late March is before that of Tiger, which shipped April 29th. Add to this the fact that this years WWDC is later than the previous years, so there is even less time, then we have a strong case for Apple supplying developers with a beta at the conference. Finally it's what they've done every year - so it's reasonable to expect it this year too.
I don't know who said about it being ready by MWSF, but it certainly wasn't me. Nor did I imply it.
JFreak said:post-wwdc pre-release OSX is always tons of fun
Damn right, unfortunately it's never as good when it's installed - a month after Tiger I was already thinking about Leopard!
Applespider said:
Not only this, but Apple added kernel programming interfaces to Tiger. Basically this means developers make calls to these instead of the API itself. Therefore Apple can change the API to make it better, but it won't affect developers programs (in theory), because they still make the same calls. Neat stuff.
AppleMatt
treblah said:The
And unless you are trying to say 10.3.0 and 4.0 didn't suck like a black hole we are in total agreement.
didn't realize you were joking..My bad
I wouldn't say 10.4 actually sucked.It did need improvements.Some big and some trivial.But imho it was ready for release..No different than any other O/S "first out the door" release.
AppleMatt said:
I know this might sound contradictory, and perhaps slightly off topic, but I take that comment as very positive. Yes we had lots of dreams about what Tiger would deliver. And it did come with several very cool features. Now we have lots of cool dreams about Leopard. I'm sure it will deliver on several of those dreams. Then, we'll be talking about 10.6... The underlying point is that we're excited about the OS, and believe that Apple is capable of delivering some real innovations. Of course some will be disappointed, but clearly they're developing something sufficiently exciting as to keep all of us interested and relatively happy! And thats a rare thing in this Windows world.