Is the rmbp 13' with retina worth buying? I have seen many guys said that the display lagging will often happen, even it runs at 1440 resolution. I really want to hear your guys opinions. Thanks a lot.
The 13 inch is fine, it is a practical size and reduced weight compared to the cMBP, works for most things and has a good screen. I have had no screen retention problems or lag and find the computer good to use. However if you need a graphics card, you will need a 15 inch laptop (c or rMBP). If you want reduced weight the 13 inch air is available. I tend to use the 1680 or 'best for retina' resolutions.
You pays your money and you takes your choice
I indeed like the screen with retina very much. I meant to buy 13-inch air, but I decided to own a retina screen when I saw it at the first sight. If the 13-inch with retina has no retention problems, I will choose it.
The new 13" is likely worth waiting for, and it's expected to be announced in only a few weeks (WWDC 2013). If you can hold off for a while, definitely wait until at least the announcement.
The updated model will be better, but to what extent is unknown right now. Many hint at a large graphics performance boost which will end the lag problem.
It's up to you, but I thought I'd let you know a refresh is expected very soon. More information/rumours can be found here:
- Notebook refresh expected at WWDC 2013
- Intel graphics updates
- New Intel processor architecture (Haswell) expected to be in new Apple notebooks
Is the rmbp 13' with retina worth buying? I have seen many guys said that the display lagging will often happen, even it runs at 1440 resolution. I really want to hear your guys opinions. Thanks a lot.
I indeed like the screen with retina very much. I meant to buy 13-inch air, but I decided to own a retina screen when I saw it at the first sight. If the 13-inch with retina has no retention problems, I will choose it.
I would say yes, if the 15" rMBP wasnt sooo much better. True, it costs more, but well worth the cash:
More storage + ram
quad core cpu
descrete graphics card
I would say yes, if the 15" rMBP wasnt sooo much better. True, it costs more, but well worth the cash:
More storage + ram
quad core cpu
descrete graphics card
This. It's the reason I'm waiting for the next refresh of the 13" rMBP. I want the 13" form factor, but with considerably more competitive performance to the 15".
In my opinion, I wouldn't class the 13" rMBP as a 'Pro' machine. It offers a rather underwhelming dual-core processor, relatively low memory options, and an even more underwhelming Intel HD 4000.
Geekbench benchmark of best 13-inch retina: 7,802
Geekbench benchmark of worst 15-inch retina: 11,213
(Geekbench benchmark of best 15-inch retina: 12,502)
Source
For the sake of £190 (difference between top 13-inch and lowest 15-inch), you're getting a theoretical 70% performance boost.
Basically what I'm saying is, only buy the 13" if you really want a 13", otherwise just fork out the, relatively minor, extra for the 15". That said, who knows what the next refresh will bring...
'Best' = top processor model
'Worst' = lowest processor model
As used by Geekbench.
I am sorry, I have to disagree. The 13in is an amazing machine. I got an Apple refurb $1780--13in rMBP i7 2.9ghz with 512SSD. There is no lag, the screen is perfect. The unit looked brand new.
If you need the dedicated GPU then the 13in is not for you. I will never game on a laptop, so I have no need for it. All my tasks are not GPU intensive, so the smaller form factor, weight and $$ difference is huge to me.
I have no idea when Haswell chips will be in the rMBP line. No one does at this point, its speculation. So need is key, if you can wait, do so. That way you can see what changes.
I saw no big need to wait, price was perfect for me and wanted it now, not 3 mo or more down the road. My needs and requirements will not change, so the comparable "updated version" will take 6mo or more to get to the price point I bought at.(since refurb will take time to get in the pipeline).
To each his own, thats my 2 cents
I am sorry, I have to disagree. The 13in is an amazing machine. I got an Apple refurb $1780--13in rMBP i7 2.9ghz with 512SSD. There is no lag, the screen is perfect. The unit looked brand new.
If you need the dedicated GPU then the 13in is not for you. I will never game on a laptop, so I have no need for it. All my tasks are not GPU intensive, so the smaller form factor, weight and $$ difference is huge to me.
I have no idea when Haswell chips will be in the rMBP line. No one does at this point, its speculation. So need is key, if you can wait, do so. That way you can see what changes.
I saw no big need to wait, price was perfect for me and wanted it now, not 3 mo or more down the road. My needs and requirements will not change, so the comparable "updated version" will take 6mo or more to get to the price point I bought at.(since refurb will take time to get in the pipeline).
To each his own, thats my 2 cents
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Benchmark-wise, the 13" rMBP is 3 years behind the 15", and only £190 cheaper. Naturally, this isn't exactly true, since squeezing that much power into a 13" tiny case requires a lot of technological advancement - but it can be used as a guideline to see what you're actually getting with a 13" rMBP.
It's not got the specs for 'Pro' usage in 2013, I would still argue. I'm more than happy for people to point out flaws in my argument, so long as it's not done sarcastically. I'm not a 15" rMBP owner trying to make a point, I'm an owner of a 4-year old MBP who seriously wants the 13" form factor, but with considerably better internals.
Well said.If you don't take portability into account, why bother with a laptop at all?
Why do people want to equate benchmarks to this laptop (or most laptops even)? The reality is that 95% of the time most users (including those that own the 15" and I've owned many 15" models in the past) aren't using 90% of the compute power of the laptop. Even when using full power, in my case processing RAW photo files, the difference for a whole day of shooting is maybe a few minutes in processing time. The benefit is smaller size and weight than the 15" and less heat. I like to use my laptop on my lap and the 13" is just better for this. Compared to the MBA, you get an awesome screen and slightly better connectors.
I'll never understand the "it's benchmarks X and the cost difference is Y so get the bigger laptop" argument. When at a desk, I'd rather have a maxed out iMac than any laptop. If you don't take portability into account, why bother with a laptop at all? All computers are compromises, getting the best one for needs, not the fastest, is the only way to approach it.
Although I agree that benchmarks are largely irrelevant for most, when it comes to a 70% improvement, it's the same percentage difference between a 2009 MacBook Pro, and a 2012 13" retina. That's 3 years of computing advancement...
Well said.
While I can see a need for the 15MBP I consider it "niche" market. It's way overpowered for what most really use it for. It's not ultra-portable and there are better/cheaper alternatives for gaming. I personally think that Intel's integrated graphics in the smaller laptop lineup have sold more 15MBP's than any marketing scheme Apple could have come up with.
You seem to have missed a fairly fundamental chunk of my post you're criticising: