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So I currently have an Amazon Fire TV Stick and have purchased two movies on there. But the lack of special features and subtitles on a large majority of older titles has me swaying towards iTunes instead, what with the new ATV coming soon it'd be a perfect opportunity to jump ship.

I've searched online regarding comparisons between the two services in terms of video and audio quality but most the articles seem to either be from 2013 or 2015 and no doubt a lot has changed since then. Of course blu-ray beats both, but for strictly streaming is iTunes as good as Amazon (which I found to be really good on the two movies I bought - Rear Window, 1954 and Blade Runner The Final Cut (1982/2007) when it comes to video or audio quality?

Just needing a few basic questions answered by kind people here as without access to an ATV there's no way for me to test these things out for myself. Thanks!
 
As of Today August 31st 2017 Amazon streams at 4k while iTunes does not. So for me I rather use Amazon. Also for me I love Samsung's interface which includes Vudu and Amazon but obviously no iTunes. Yes I have an Apple TV but it doesn't support 4k so I don't bother.



Honestly with the new Apple TV supposedly getting released soon with 4k support ( they would be stupid if they released a new streaming box without it) which also supports Amazon video soon ( maybe later than expected) I would get an Apple TV. As far as streaming boxes goes I prefer the layout of apples over Amazon. I had a fire stick and own a 4th Gen apple TV
 
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As of Today August 31st 2017 Amazon streams at 4k while iTunes does not. So for me I rather use Amazon. Also for me I love Samsung's interface which includes Vudu and Amazon but obviously no iTunes. Yes I have an Apple TV but it doesn't support 4k so I don't bother.



Honestly with the new Apple TV supposedly getting released soon with 4k support ( they would be stupid if they released a new streaming box without it) which also supports Amazon video soon ( maybe later than expected) I would get an Apple TV. As far as streaming boxes goes I prefer the layout of apples over Amazon. I had a fire stick and own a 4th Gen apple TV

I wasn't aware Amazon would be going 4K for movies today, is this just for new releases only or for older titles too?

Yeah Apple TV will have best of both worlds when that Amazon app launches but iTunes seems more enticing at the moment, if the quality between the two are confirmed to be the same that'll seal the deal lol
 
I wasn't aware Amazon would be going 4K for movies today, is this just for new releases only or for older titles too?

Yeah Apple TV will have best of both worlds when that Amazon app launches but iTunes seems more enticing at the moment, if the quality between the two are confirmed to be the same that'll seal the deal lol

Idk about actual support but I know amazon prime does have some stuff in 4k.


As far as quality it's all up to you to decide IMHO. I prefer ultra 4k Blu ray discs and use my xbox one S on my TV. That being said I find vudu 4k content to be solid. I also find Netflix and amazon to be fine and I doubt it will be any different whenever iTunes has 4k content as well.
 
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I have the amazon inc the 4K service and apple TVs, the service is better on amazon.

I'm not bothered about the extras as I always buy BRs and rip them and use amazon for the free/subscription stuff. I just don't like how iTunes locks you in and you can't use your purchases outside the eco system - so I wont buy titles that way.
 
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Idk about actual support but I know amazon prime does have some stuff in 4k.


As far as quality it's all up to you to decide IMHO. I prefer ultra 4k Blu ray discs and use my xbox one S on my TV. That being said I find vudu 4k content to be solid. I also find Netflix and amazon to be fine and I doubt it will be any different whenever iTunes has 4k content as well.

If I'm being honest I doubt I'll ever jump on the 4K train plus in terms of streaming I doubt my Internet speed could keep up - I'll mainly just be purchasing movies in normal HD, but I've read snippets here and there from older articles that apparently Amazon has better bitrates for 1080p HD that iTunes, I was wondering if that's true and if it is, have iTunes caught up?
 
I've searched online regarding comparisons between the two services in terms of video and audio quality but most the articles seem to either be from 2013 or 2015 and no doubt a lot has changed since then. Of course blu-ray beats both, but for strictly streaming is iTunes as good as Amazon (which I found to be really good on the two movies I bought - Rear Window, 1954 and Blade Runner The Final Cut (1982/2007) when it comes to video or audio quality?
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I bought Blade Runner from iTunes and while watching it i was stunned how great it looked (especially for an older movie)

I only have Disney in both places but have not watched an Amazon movie on the TV. some movies look great, others not as great.
 
If I'm being honest I doubt I'll ever jump on the 4K train plus in terms of streaming I doubt my Internet speed could keep up - I'll mainly just be purchasing movies in normal HD, but I've read snippets here and there from older articles that apparently Amazon has better bitrates for 1080p HD that iTunes, I was wondering if that's true and if it is, have iTunes caught up?

I actually doubted 4k was that good but after finding a 49 inch where the TV has a stand in the middle vs most that has those legs which is why I didn't opt for the Samsung MU498000 and got the MU497000. I love 4k it looks so much better. Anyways if you're sticking with 1080p I would just get a 4th Gen. If you want I can even give you mine for free ( just pm me) and I'll ship it for free.
 
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OP, here's the short answer:
Ultimate solution: looking at what's important to you- 1) quality picture, 2) quality sound, 3) extras, 4) specific subtitles, I suggest you embrace 4K BD discs and roll your own to gain the convenience of on-demand digital (copy) playback too. You won't do better on the stuff you care about in that list than 4KBD (until there are 8KBDs).

And here's the long, long answer:
You're posting a question seeking objective answers from a very subjective crowd, akin to posting a question asking about republican ideals in a democrat-heavy forum or asking this group which OS is better: Windows or MacOS? By the time you have the last post in this thread, expect to have mostly Apple-centric recommendations. We are the crowd that can ridicule stuff like mobile payments and bigger-screen phones to no end while Apple doesn't have either for sale and then gush about the greatness of both as soon as Apple does.

Closer to this exact topic: look up ANY :apple:TV thread for the last few years and you'll see an overwhelming amount of anti-4K sentiment that is increasingly quieting down lately as that crowd buys that God is about to roll out a 4K:apple:TV (and they can't very well call God wrong for doing anything):
  • NFC (mobile payments) is a "useless gimmick", etc until ApplePay is rolled out and then it's group sentiment about wanting to boycott stores that won't accept Apple pay(ments)
  • Bigger-screen phones were abominations, fragmentation-driving, one-handed use, pants with bigger pockets, man-purses vs. the perfect size of 3.5"... and then the perfect size of 4"... until Apple rolled out bigger-screen sizes which then became the new "perfects" (and one hand everywhere apparently grew, and pants-makers found magical ways of making bigger pockets without them showing)
  • 4K:apple:TV is a stupid/useless/gimmick that no one needs, "the chart", 99% can't see the difference, I cant see the difference (so you can't either), until the internet bandwidth is upgraded everywhere, file sizes, I don't want to throw out a perfectly good TV set, until everything in the iTunes store is available in 4K, etc NOW EVAPORATING as written sentiment as the rumors gain strength that Apple is actually going 4K with the little box.
So keep that in mind as answers keep coming in. In general WE are very, VERY biased to whatever Apple has for sale now, only shifting a bit close to big launches when rumors have sufficiently piled up that we start believing Apple is offering something else very soon. Once Apple rolls out the changes to what was, almost all the passionate arguments that ridiculed the changes evaporates and suddenly the very stuff we used to so robustly put down becomes prime reasons for "shut up and take my money." That written though, I am surprised that you've got a few responses that aren't just blatantly gushing Apple/iTunes already. Impressive.

To your issues:

"Extras" are not exactly offered in abundance in iTunes either. The capacity is there but the follow through is pretty severely lacking. They can definitely be found with some videos but many have nothing more than the main feature. If extras are very important to you, I'd encourage you to go the disc route and convert from disc to iTunes yourself. Just about every disc will have some-to-many extras, you'll actually own a copy of the video (on disc) and you can convert it with your own choice of quality settings rather than hoping some stranger in some corporation chooses a quality setting that pleases you. You'll also have a tangible backup for worst-case scenarios that can't be removed from your access because a Studio decides to pull it for any old reason. And it's there to convert again should some new format replace the one in use now (for example, what if h.265 is not limited to only 4K videos but Apple leaves <4K videos as h.264 for backward compatibility for at least a few more years? Roll your own and you can go all h.265 by your own choice). For abundant extras, nothing competes with the disc option.

"Subtitles" is the same. Go the disc route, download whatever subtitles you desire and roll your own. That will get the subtitles you desire the vast majority of the time. Else, you are hoping the stranger decides to include the subtitle language(s) you want. They may, but it may be like the extras inclusion too. Why leave it up to some stranger that can't even possibly know what you like/want and be exactly right?

As to "quality" of picture & sound, there is so much variability in that question that nobody is going to be able to give you a defacto answer. I suspect that it would vary even film to film unless both corporations are getting access to the exact same rendering. There would also be other factors like your own choice of television and other playback hardware, speakers, receiver/amplifier, etc.

Even if you took a crack at a scientific approach- maybe randomly sampling 20 videos available on both, objectively viewed (blind tested) each head to head in your own home on the exact same televisions & sound systems, etc and "A" was judged to have 12 out of 20 better looking and/or sounding videos than "B," I would not be so quick to assume that "A" generally provides better looking & sounding video for ALL videos.

If you did such a test on a much larger number- maybe 5% of ALL videos available on both services- you could probably make a general blanket statement about one delivering higher quality picture and/or sound than the other at that point in time. But allow a little time to pass and the loser can adapt per those findings. Example: Apple Marketing spun Homepod mostly only "higher quality speaker." If that turns out to be true, how hard is it for the competitors to put different speakers in new versions of their offerings? Hint: a change in quality of speaker is FARRRR easier than- say- making Siri a lot better than Alexa for that purpose.

With this query, the best you are going to get is a situation where maybe someone has access to the same movie from both sources by some odd circumstance where they've paid and/or been given access to the same movie from 2 platforms, and opted to keep 2 copies of the same movie anyway. Then, you get a subjective comparison of 1 or 2 videos, from a generally-biased judge who probably worships at the alter of Apple in all things. They probably have NOT compared the same video at the same time and maybe not even on the same equipment, as we're generally not a bunch of scientific-minded critics, ready to watch a movie twice in one sitting and see if we can see & hear what is probably only fine detail variations of quality. Etc.

Besides when Apple had more market share than all competitors, we proudly touted Apple as #1 in market share. When they lost their hold on #1, we move the goal posts to "but who has the most profitable...". Again, we generally want Apple to win at all things. It's hard to get objective answers in such a biased group.

Bottom line: this is very much an eye-of-the-beholder quest. The best strategy to get a good answer for you would be to do a bunch of head-to-head testing yourself, on your own equipment, in your own living room, at the same point in time. If you believe you are a overly Apple-centric yourself, enlist someone to help you do a blind head-to-head test by not telling you which source is running on which television. Anything else allows way too many unstated variables to creep into the evaluations from a very biased crowd in general.

For example, if one:
  1. watches a favorite movie on a friend's television and hears it through that friend's speakers and then
  2. watches it again on another friend's television and hears it through different speakers and then
  3. watches it yet again at home on their own television and hears their own speakers,
...a clear winner may be crowned even if ALL 3 setups were playing the exact same movie from the exact same source. Friend #2 might not have Dolby Digital turned on and your ears might notice that ProLogic (faux surround) didn't sound quite as good as #1 or #3 (or maybe your ears thought it sounded better). #1 might not have their picture settings optimized on their TV, so the video on their set might not look as good as #2 and #3. You might have inferior speakers and/or an inferior TV, so the video might sound or look worse on your TV vs #1 & #2. Friend #2 might have served some bad burritos that upset your stomach during the movie and you just remember it as a worse experience. Friend #1 might have been a supermodel who really, REALLY dug you that evening and you remember the whole experience as being world-shaking, best-ever, without even actually watching much of the movie. Maybe friend #1's cats were irritating the h*ll out of you throughout the playback and you subconsciously hold that against the evaluation? Etc.

Answering a question like yours might involve recalling watching the movie in such scenarios and recalling that #1 was definitely superior to #2 and #3 or vice versa... with no mention of different TVs, different sound systems, different playback hardware, unoptimized settings, allergies acting up, the influence of cats/dogs/iguanas/kangaroos/giraffes/spiders/pigs/reptiles/tribbles/goats/aliens, supermodels, noisy neighbors, bad burritos, (live) drama (not in the movie), inferior broadband, AC/heat settings, phone calls/notification prompts, lighting differences, forgot the glasses/contact lenses that day, inferior cables, etc.
 
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"Extras" are not exactly offered in abundance in iTunes either. The capacity is there but the follow through is pretty severely lacking.
I would disagree with that. The extras have usually been very similar as on the Blu-ray releases in the last couple of years, and they keep adding them even for older movies. Very recently there have even been cases of significant exclusive features that aren't available on disc. For example, they just added a very nice 40-minute documentary to "Mad Max Fury Road".
"Subtitles" is the same.
Disagree here too. Almost all movies and TV shows on iTunes have subtitles, often even in multiple languages.

Regarding the video and audio quality, it is indeed very difficult to make an objective evaluation. Streaming and DRM makes it difficult to do things like comparing screenshots or even determining the encoding parameters. What I can say is that, based on my exprience with both Amazon Prime and a somewhat sizeable iTunes library, they seem quite similar to me and the image or audio quality would not be a deciding factor for me to go one way or the other, unless you have to have 4K content right now. However, be aware that Amazon's selection is still quite limited at the moment. It'll be interesting to see how iTunes handles it.
 
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I didn't put down Extras at all- just suggested that they are not abundant (in my experience). Yes, one can certainly find extras- even great extras- with any given film. However, more discs will have extras than the same movies via iTunes or Amazon. I don't think that can be arguable unless one pins it down to very specific videos that might just happen to have some particular extra exclusively for iTunes or Amazon (and thus imply such extra extras exist for all video).

I didn't put down subtitles either. They too have subtitles. I assume OP might be from somewhere where he/she does not use a mainstream language, thus a bigger, specific interest in subtitles. If OP is looking for the big 4 or 5 languages, he/she may be pretty capable of getting that with much major streaming service content. If the desired language is not so mainstream, odds are much higher they can get what they want on the discs sold wherever they are.

There was no attack on Apple in my post- just answering OPs questions as good as I could. OP didn't ask us to make our best case for iTunes or Amazon. Instead he/she seems to be looking for a dependable source for best quality picture & sound, consistent "special feature" availability and consistent subtitles availability. I suspect Discs win on all 4 of those when measured against a broad range of video content.
 
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I didn't put down Extras at all- just suggested that they are not abundant (in my experience). Yes, one can certainly find extras- even great extras- with any given film. However, more discs will have extras than the same movies via iTunes or Amazon.
That is certainly true for Amazon, but probably not for iTunes. They have put a lot of effort in the extras in recent years. I'd say overall the extras are about on par with disc releases.
There was no attack on Apple in my post- just answering OPs questions as good as I could. OP didn't ask us to make our best case for iTunes or Amazon. Instead he/she seems to be looking for a dependable source for best quality picture & sound, consistent "special feature" availability and consistent subtitles availability. I suspect Discs win on all 4 of those when measured against a broad range of video content.
Actually the OP's question literally was "for strictly streaming is iTunes as good as Amazon". ;)
 
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I respect the opinions and can't definitively prove my argument with certainty (nor can you prove yours) without buying/renting ALL the movies in both ways and doing the counting. In my own experience, I would bet against it being "on par." So if someone is judging from our posts, we probably cancel each other out.

Opt brought BD into the conversation with "of course Blu-Ray beats both." I read that as an accessible option for OP so included it in my post. I didn't argue only for Blu Ray but actually talked mostly to the iTunes vs. Amazon proposition while pointing back to BD as delivering all 4 of what he/she seeks probably- but that's my opinion- better than either.

Note that even in my "ultimate solution," OP- if he/she takes it- still ends up embracing an Apple-centered solution too. Buying the discs and rolling your own ends up with movies in iTunes being watched on :apple:TV, iDevices and Macs if OP is really wanting a streaming solution over having to handle/store/care for discs.

I don't think we do any service to other consumers when we try so hard to make any one option the very best answer to all such questions. I don't imagine people- especially people here- really need to be sold on the Apple way as much as they are seeking objectivity as good as it might be able to be had here. I'm first to crown Apple best where Apple really seems best. But I'm never one to crown Apple best if I don't personally believe they are in some issue. I can't say that I am completely objective as I mostly buy Apple stuff myself, but I definitely do not endorse everything Apple as best, nor argue everything Apple is worst.

So while I'm probably not purely objective, I bet I'm closer to it than most around here. And I answered OPs question that way.
 
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If I had to put overall quality of source for streaming it might go like this - Vudu, iTunes and then Amazon. However, the differences are getting smaller and smaller. Vudu has some nice additions in that they provide a forum for ultra-violet and that is handy when a person buys a blu ray movie but wants it available on line.

4K - tricky stuff here as it is still in its early stages. There is not a whole lot of movies (though the numbers are increasing) that are 4k. There is a caveat to some media being upscaled to 4k as the results can be miserable (see some DVD sources). 4K TVs are common but again, maybe in 2 years we'll have enough material to lay that will exploit the 4K resolution with real choices.

As far as streamers go - for menu look and feel - Roku and ATV. For top performance Nvidia Shield then Roku and Amazon tied and ATV last. Things may change with the newer ATV but I believe Nvidia Shield with its clunky menu system gives the most quality and flexibility as it serves for on line gaming as well as access to various movie streaming sources (that include 4k presentation as well) and does a terrific job of playing media files you may have on your network or a hard drive (movies, tv shows, various music files).

So for my friends, I usually suggest they go with Roku and those fixated with "Apple eco system" I hook the up with an ATV. For those who want the very best in streaming - NVidia Shield. Sadly, I left the Amazon products out which work
well enough but I rather get the NVidia Shield for an Android based setup.
 
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Audio wide, both Amazon and iTunes support Dolby Digital 5.1 and Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 for newer films. Both devices can pass the Dolby Digital 5.1 bitstream to an AV amplifier/receiver. Amazon's Fire TV and Fire TV Stick can pass a Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 bitstream for external decoding, whereas the current Apple TV decodes DD+ on the Apple TV box itself and passes the decoded audio as 7.1 PCM for external amplification.

I'm hoping either tvOS 11 and/or the new Apple TV will support passing the unfettered DD+ bitstream over HDMI for external decoding and amplification.

Otherwise I find picture quality for both services to be identical to one another. I do prefer iTunes if the price is identical due to greater convenience for my iPad/iPhone and definitely iTunes with iTunes Extras - I enjoy watching making of docs etc on the iPad whilst in the kitchen vs Amazon's adding the extras in sequence to the end of the film file.

Treasured films always get a BluRay purchase (and considering 4K system & UDH BR now Blade Runner is due), but the says of accumulating shelves upon shelves of physical media that can only be played at home in the lounge are over for me personally.

All rentals are digital, either Amazon or iTunes, with 95% of my purchases are now on iTunes for new releases (recent Marvel & Star Wars films have carried all of the BR/DVD extras and look and sound good enough to go digital with them) and iTunes have great offers from time to time (Mission Impossible films for £5 each, 10 scifi films inc The Martian for a £10 bundle etc).
 
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Thank you everyone for replying! It appears iTunes quality is similar to Amazon so that's great. I also really like the idea of iTunes extras as opposed to Amazon tacking them on at the end like a VHS. That plus the UI for purchased titles is really lacking on Amazon.
 
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Thank you everyone for replying! It appears iTunes quality is similar to Amazon so that's great. I also really like the idea of iTunes extras as opposed to Amazon tacking them on at the end like a VHS. That plus the UI for purchased titles is really lacking on Amazon.

Just a bit curious. Is there a reason you bypass Vudu? I am not advocating one source over another with this question but just asking as said, from being curious.
 
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Just a bit curious. Is there a reason you bypass Vudu? I am not advocating one source over another with this question but just asking as said, from being curious.

I'm in the UK and we don't have VUDU here. Support for UV movies is non-existent yet ironically the movie studios keep bundling UV codes with the blu-rays despite the only place we can watch them is Flixster, which doesn't have such a good player to begin with and other UV sites don't support movies from certain studios

I tried UV with Flixster for a while but the subtitles were always out of sync and the UI leaves much to be desired. I've noticed VUDU is big in the US and a lot of people recommend it but UV support outside of the States has been shockingly disappointing.
 
I tried UV with Flixster for a while but the subtitles were always out of sync and the UI leaves much to be desired. I've noticed VUDU is big in the US and a lot of people recommend it but UV support outside of the States has been shockingly disappointing.
UV seems to be dying here to. Vudu is now the only provider left with good UV support (which obviously defeats the point of a provider-agnostic digital rights locker). AFAIK the only other one where you can still redeem and watch UV movies is FandangoNow, but they have a very limited selection. There are rumors that the studios will launch another digital locker system.
 
I'm in the UK and we don't have VUDU here. Support for UV movies is non-existent yet ironically the movie studios keep bundling UV codes with the blu-rays despite the only place we can watch them is Flixster, which doesn't have such a good player to begin with and other UV sites don't support movies from certain studios

I tried UV with Flixster for a while but the subtitles were always out of sync and the UI leaves much to be desired. I've noticed VUDU is big in the US and a lot of people recommend it but UV support outside of the States has been shockingly disappointing.

Agreed. UV has become the ill supported, fragmented mess many predicted it would be when the studios floated the 'all your films, anywhere, any device' promise in the first place. UV has become the PlaysForSure mess of exceptions, conditions and token/non-existent support of the consumer movies world.

Given that Uv is supposed to be platform independent, it has nowhere near the ubiquity, reliability or dependability of Amazon, Apple or Google's stores and content. Des
Life the codes being included in many BluRay discs, I've not watched anything on it yet. The lack of HD on many UV BluRay pack in codes is a joke.
 
Agreed. UV has become the ill supported, fragmented mess many predicted it would be when the studios floated the 'all your films, anywhere, any device' promise in the first place. UV has become the PlaysForSure mess of exceptions, conditions and token/non-existent support of the consumer movies world.

Given that Uv is supposed to be platform independent, it has nowhere near the ubiquity, reliability or dependability of Amazon, Apple or Google's stores and content. Des
Life the codes being included in many BluRay discs, I've not watched anything on it yet.
The lack of HD on many UV BluRay pack in codes is a joke.

You don't seem to know much about UV. UV is, platform independent. The stores you mentioned were invited to join, and didn't, that's on them, not UV. Vudu is a very good storefront and many believe, the best, if you live in the U.S..... UV can't make them join. IF the name changes to MA (the idea is the same) will everybody get on board? Sorry, "bold" locked on.
 
You don't seem to know much about UV. UV is, platform independent. The stores you mentioned were invited to join, and didn't, that's on them, not UV. Vudu is a very good storefront and many believe, the best, if you live in the U.S..... UV can't make them join. IF the name changes to MA (the idea is the same) will everybody get on board? Sorry, "bold" locked on.

I should have qualified myself; I'm in the UK, not the US, as was @Gulfam's post that I replied to. Playback is pretty much restricted to the Fixster Video app on smartphones and some tablets in the UK. Aside from Fire TV, set top box support for UV is non-existent over here.

If UV works great with Vudu and has widespread support in the US then that's great. For those of us not in the US however, UV platform independence and lack of widespread interoperability with other stores/platforms means that UV isn't of much use. In the UK, and I suspect many other non-US markets, what UV promised and what it delivers are two very different things.

Many UV films gained by BluRay pack in codes here are standard def, not HD, and have stereo rather than 5.1 soundtracks. Is US UV HD & 5.1 support better/more widespread?
 
I should have qualified myself; I'm in the UK, not the US, as was @Gulfam's post that I replied to. Playback is pretty much restricted to the Fixster Video app on smartphones and some tablets in the UK. Aside from Fire TV, set top box support for UV is non-existent over here.

If UV works great with Vudu and has widespread support in the US then that's great. For those of us not in the US however, UV platform independence and lack of widespread interoperability with other stores/platforms means that UV isn't of much use. In the UK, and I suspect many other non-US markets, what UV promised and what it delivers are two very different things.

Many UV films gained by BluRay pack in codes here are standard def, not HD, and have stereo rather than 5.1 soundtracks. Is US UV HD & 5.1 support better/more widespread?


Sorry, didn't catch you were not in the U.S, totally different over there.
 
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Too many variables, whether the film is a 4K native or upconvert, I find HDR makes the most difference
 
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