iWork $30 surcharge

[wordmunger]

I just bought the iWork family pack — not a bad deal — just $99 for the whole household. However, I was frustrated to learn about the $30 surcharge. You see iWork requires Quicktime 7 to install. I’ve already paid an extra $30 to have Quicktime 6 Pro on my iBook. I don’t want to pay the $30 to upgrade to version 7 — version 6 works fine.

Now I have a choice: either I don’t install iWork on my iBook, do without Quicktime Pro, or pony up the extra $30.

(cross-posted on Wordmunger.com)

 

[iGary]

Have you found yourself not using Word any longer?

 

[SilentPanda]

You need Quicktime Pro.

iWork requires Quicktime 7 (Pro or not).

iWork does not require Quicktime 7 Pro.

Correct?

I'm not saying it doesn't stink... but I just didn't want people to get the impression that iWork requires Quicktime 7 Pro.

 

[wordmunger]

Have you found yourself not using Word any longer?

I still have to use word occasionally -- mostly for "track changes" (iWork won't even open change-tracked documents). But I really much prefer Pages for writing: Finally, a word processor that actually keeps pace with your typing!

I'll even compose in Pages and export to .doc for Pages-impaired colleagues.

 

[wordmunger]

You need Quicktime Pro.

iWork requires Quicktime 7 (Pro or not).

iWork does not require Quicktime 7 Pro.

Correct?

I'm not saying it doesn't stink... but I just didn't want people to get the impression that iWork requires Quicktime 7 Pro.

Yes, you're right. Pro isn't required. I just want to have Pro on at least one of my computers. I don't need 7 pro, just *any* pro version, so I can edit QT files.

 

[iGary]

I still have to use word occasionally -- mostly for "track changes" (iWork won't even open change-tracked documents). But I really much prefer Pages for writing: Finally, a word processor that actually keeps pace with your typing!

I'll even compose in Pages and export to .doc for Pages-impaired colleagues.

Question: (yes, I'm being lazy) - can you go to .doc and the other way around?

 

[wordmunger]

Question: (yes, I'm being lazy) - can you go to .doc and the other way around?

Yes, you can go both ways

However, if you open a .doc file, it opens in a new untitled window. If you edit the file, you have to re-export it to .doc format. Slightly annoying.

 

[iGary]

Yes, you can go both ways

However, if you open a .doc file, it opens in a new untitled window. If you edit the file, you have to re-export it to .doc format. Slightly annoying.

I may have to change. Word is the only thing I use in Office.

 

[Glenn Wolsey]

Change Gary! I switched from Office to iWork after iWork 06 came out, best thing I ever did.

 

[XIII]

Steering back on topic...

Is there a way to install two versions on QuickTime? Or because its an app built right into the OS can you not do that? With normal applications I presume you can just have two different versions in two different locations.. but here. I don't know.

Bit of a bugger really.

 

[sahnert]

Steering back on topic...

Is there a way to install two versions on QuickTime? Or because its an app built right into the OS can you not do that? With normal applications I presume you can just have two different versions in two different locations.. but here. I don't know.

Bit of a bugger really.

Maybe you can keep QT6 pro on an external HD because you don't need it to be integrated with the system and install QT7 on the main HD.
Seems like it should work okay...

 

[wordmunger]

Steering back on topic...

Is there a way to install two versions on QuickTime? Or because its an app built right into the OS can you not do that? With normal applications I presume you can just have two different versions in two different locations.. but here. I don't know.

Bit of a bugger really.

I think I might try that. Actually what I'm going to try is downloading QT7 while moving QT6 to a different folder and renaming. Then I'll install iWork, trash QT7, restore QT6, and see if iWork still works. I think the only thing that requires QT7 is Keynote, which I won't need on that computer.

But Keynote won't even let you install without having QT7.

 

[neocell]

Steering back on topic...

Is there a way to install two versions on QuickTime? Or because its an app built right into the OS can you not do that? With normal applications I presume you can just have two different versions in two different locations.. but here. I don't know.

Bit of a bugger really.

I have Preview 3.0.4 and 2.1.0 so I'm sure you can have multiple embedded OS apps. Just be careful that the update doesn't search the drive to find QT 6, wherever it might be hiding/moved to.

 

[IJ Reilly]

Question: Where are you finding an application called "QuickTime"?

 

[eva01]

I may have to change. Word is the only thing I use in Office.

iGary just as an FYI i would keep office on your computer as a just in case. Sometimes exporting to microsoft formats wether it be XLS, PPT, DOC sometimes it will screw the formating up.

Main one for me is exporting from neooffice to XLS and from keynote to PPT.

 

[wordmunger]

I have Preview 3.0.4 and 2.1.0 so I'm sure you can have multiple embedded OS apps. Just be careful that the update doesn't search the drive to find QT 6, wherever it might be hiding/moved to.

Uh-oh...

and this is after I moved QuickTime to a different folder and changed its name!

 

[WildCowboy]

Uh-oh...

and this is after I moved QuickTime to a different folder and changed its name!

DISCLAIMER: Please don't follow the below suggestions unless someone who knows more than I confirms. I'm not an expert on this and am just throwing out some thoughts that might seed further discussion of what could be done.

It may just be seeing Quicktime 6 Pro in your Receipts folder. You might be able continue the installation and still be able to use 6 Pro. Or deleting the receipt might allow you to do it.

 

[ziutek]

Try using "Pacifist" to install iWorks.
It bypasses the dafault installer and it's checks and you might be able to get the programs to work without installling the newer version of quicktime.
Here's the link to Pacifist: http://www.charlessoft.com/

 

[WildCowboy]

Okay...more thoughts. Does this article help at all?

 

[mkrishnan]

It may just be seeing Quicktime 6 Pro in your Receipts folder. You might be able continue the installation and still be able to use 6 Pro. Or deleting the receipt might allow you to do it.

I think the problem is that the most recent version of Quicktime you install owns all the quicktime components in /system/library/quicktime ... this is the specific reason you can't just run an old version of Quicktime from an alternate location like you can run an old version of Firefox from an alternate location.

 

[wordmunger]

Okay...more thoughts. Does this article help at all?

Wow... thanks! Unfortunately that link doesn't work any more, but I found it in the Google cache. All I had to do was copy QT 6 pro from my iBook to my iMac. Now I have Pro functionality on my iMac (which I didn't have before) and I can upgrade to QT 7 on the iBook. Apparently some of the QT 7 features won't work any more, but I can play QT 7 movies and edit/export on the iMac, which is all I need to do.

 

[IJ Reilly]

I'm a little confused here. I'm still trying to figure out where you find QuickTime. Are you talking about the QuickTime Player?

 

[wordmunger]

I'm a little confused here. I'm still trying to figure out where you find QuickTime. Are you talking about the QuickTime Player?

Yes, QuickTime Player. Most people just call it "QuickTime" -- including Apple. But oddly, the app on the computer is called "QuickTime Player."

 

[mkrishnan]

Yes, QuickTime Player. Most people just call it "QuickTime" -- including Apple. But oddly, the app on the computer is called "QuickTime Player."

Again ... (sorry for re-referring to my own post)... when you install Quicktime, you install the player and the plug-ins and codecs and so on. The player is just the container that displays a QT file when it isn't bundled into another application. But the rest of QT is used inside iTunes, iMovie, Safari, and so on, without ever calling the player app.

 

[wordmunger]

Again ... (sorry for re-referring to my own post)... when you install Quicktime, you install the player and the plug-ins and codecs and so on. The player is just the container that displays a QT file when it isn't bundled into another application. But the rest of QT is used inside iTunes, iMovie, Safari, and so on, without ever calling the player app.

Ah, so that's the distinction. So apparently what I'm doing is running Quicktime 7 with QuickTime Player 6. Which means I still get the pro features I paid for -- which is fine with me!