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I have a quandry - I been contacted by a holiday letting company in cornwall (UK) who've basically promised me 2-3 times my current income that I currently get from my tenants...and nosing about this does seem like a realistic figure as holidaying here now is all but impossible if not booked a year in advance so demand is astronomical.

They're friends of mine too so I have kept their rent down to below market levels as they are good tenants although dont feel too sad for them as he earns over a 100k a year !

Thoughts ?
 
Have you considered discussing a rent increase with the current tenants? Would the extra income be worth it when comparing the wear and tear the holidayers will inflict on the property because they don't care, and your current tenants who are less likely to destroy your property?
 
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Depends how badly you want the potential extra money. How long have your current tenants who are friends rented your place? I assume you have had no problems with them as you have given them a discount rent. His income has no bearing on the situation as nobody forced you to give him a discount.

Much safer to continue with your friend. No damage to the property I assume and you know the rent will be paid. Some people treat holiday lets very roughly but as you will be contracted with the letting company and not individuals, they should be responsible for covering any damage etc.

You could have a chat with your friend, honestly discuss your other offer and see if he is willing to pay more.

How reputable is the holiday letting company, how long have they been in business and can you speak with other local owners who use them?
 
62nd Rules of Acquisition: The riskier the road, the greater the profit.🤑

As a landlord, I prefer the low stress of having my property in the care of good tenants. With vacationers, you get a mixed bag. All it takes is one moron to cause thousands/millions in property damage. Not worth the risk for me. I don't have the lobes for profit

Now if the holiday company is willing to assume responsibility (at least 50%) for damages done to your property, then I'd say it's worth it.🧐 If they make you sign a hold harmless contract...pass.😑
 
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I have a quandry - I been contacted by a holiday letting company in cornwall (UK) who've basically promised me 2-3 times my current income that I currently get from my tenants...and nosing about this does seem like a realistic figure as holidaying here now is all but impossible if not booked a year in advance so demand is astronomical.

They're friends of mine too so I have kept their rent down to below market levels as they are good tenants although dont feel too sad for them as he earns over a 100k a year !

Thoughts ?
What about the handover cleaning etc? Do they manage all that? Or when travelling gets back to normal, will there be empty weeks with no income?
 
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I have a quandry - I been contacted by a holiday letting company in cornwall (UK) who've basically promised me 2-3 times my current income that I currently get from my tenants...and nosing about this does seem like a realistic figure as holidaying here now is all but impossible if not booked a year in advance so demand is astronomical.

They're friends of mine too so I have kept their rent down to below market levels as they are good tenants although dont feel too sad for them as he earns over a 100k a year !

Thoughts ?

It depends on your priorities:

Do you want the security of a steady income? And a tenant who will be there all of the time - i.e. guaranteed income during the fallow periods of the year?

A steady income from tenants who are reliable, who you have described as "good" tenants, and whom you like, given that you describe them as friends?

How much is that friendship worth to you?

Put another way, do you honestly think that the "friendship" would survive - or, survive in quite the same way - if you terminated their tenancy in pursuit of profit?

Of course, it is your right, and your choice, but do bear in mind that such a choice may incur (hidden) costs, one of which may be an ended friendship, but will certainly be an altered one.

Or, would you prefer the extra income, along with whatever risks come with it?

And those risks are not necessarily confined to people on holiday possibly thrashing the place, - as they do not see it as "home" - or, having the place empty at certain times of the year.

Now, as @Expos of 1969 has already observed, your tenant and/or friend's income is irrelevant to this discussion, other than to confirm that he or she (or they) can afford to pay whatever rent you have agreed on.
 
So my friend can use my friendship to pay less than half the going rate for a house even he earns three times as much as me ? I am a little aggrieved tbh that he hasn't mentioned paying a little more especially....

Oddly enough when we first set this all up they said they wanted a long term (eg two year plus lease) agreement set up which I did but they have never ever signed it.

At a fundamental level I suppose I wouldn't be looking if I thought I had been treated a little better - I think as they will have been there two years shortly with zero rent increase that I will move it up to 80% of market value rather than the 50 it currently is and see what happens.

Its absolute madness here in Cornwall in the Uk at the moment with quality holiday lets.I have already had 2 agents (decades of great feedback and they deal with with super high end houses down to mine) I know guarantee me full summer occupancy for next year and the year after from april to september with minimal drop-off out of season as Cornwall season seems to run all year bar Jan / Feb - both expecting around 40-50k a year. Obviously from that there is their 15% fee and then furnishing the place to a decent standard and paying cleaners etc to be considered but there is very little risk here in terms of the house as the agents cover damage and I walk past it most days on my dog walk as I live in a house 5 mins from it.

If they felt aggrieved by this (if I do it) then yeah our friendship would be over as I did them a massive favour two years ago when no-one else would and have continued to do so for the last 2 years......
 
I have a quandry - I been contacted by a holiday letting company in cornwall (UK) who've basically promised me 2-3 times my current income that I currently get from my tenants...and nosing about this does seem like a realistic figure as holidaying here now is all but impossible if not booked a year in advance so demand is astronomical.

They're friends of mine too so I have kept their rent down to below market levels as they are good tenants although dont feel too sad for them as he earns over a 100k a year !

Thoughts ?

So my friend can use my friendship to pay less than half the going rate for a house even he earns three times as much as me ? I am a little aggrieved tbh that he hasn't mentioned paying a little more especially....

Oddly enough when we first set this all up they said they wanted a long term (eg two year plus lease) agreement set up which I did but they have never ever signed it.

At a fundamental level I suppose I wouldn't be looking if I thought I had been treated a little better - I think as they will have been there two years shortly with zero rent increase that I will move it up to 80% of market value rather than the 50 it currently is and see what happens.

Its absolute madness here in Cornwall in the Uk at the moment with quality holiday lets.I have already had 2 agents (decades of great feedback and they deal with with super high end houses down to mine) I know guarantee me full summer occupancy for next year and the year after from april to september with minimal drop-off out of season as Cornwall season seems to run all year bar Jan / Feb - both expecting around 40-50k a year. Obviously from that there is their 15% fee and then furnishing the place to a decent standard and paying cleaners etc to be considered but there is very little risk here in terms of the house as the agents cover damage and I walk past it most days on my dog walk as I live in a house 5 mins from it.

If they felt aggrieved by this (if I do it) then yeah our friendship would be over as I did them a massive favour two years ago when no-one else would and have continued to do so for the last 2 years......

Ah, fascinating.

Firstly, I suspect that when you started this thread, in your original post, you had hoped for posters to support what I think was your clear preference to "earn the market rate" from holiday makers renting your property in irresistible Cornwall. You wanted to hear "go for it" from those who replied to you.

And, that is not, I think, what you wanted to hear; instead, most posters recommended security, stability, and the knowledge that you have solvent, reliable tenants whom you know, (and said that you "liked") over stepping into the (yes, very lucrative) holiday rental market.

Now, to repeat, what your friend earns is irrelevant. That is his (or her) business, not yours.

And, if you insist on conducting business with - or having some sort of commercial arrangement with - friends, then "mates rates" are not so unusual. Otherwise, keep friendships separate from business arrangements.

In your original post, you state that you "had kept the rent down below market levels" because they are "friends", yet, in your subsequent post, you refer to as how "aggrieved" you are, and I must say that your sense of resentment, comes through very strongly.

You seem to argue that they have taken advantage of you, that you should "have been treated better"; yet, who had the idea that they should pay their current level of rent? Who suggested it? Were you happy with that, - a guaranteed, steady, income, from reliable "good" tenants, - then?

And, is the place not already furnished to a "decent" standard? And, if not, why not?

The kind of target (tourist) market you are aiming for will pay very well, yes, but they will also have very high standards, and will be quite demanding in insisting that they be met, and will be both critical and intolerant if they think that this has not been done.

I will say that if you insist on market rates, - as is your right - equally, they will have every right to hold you to whatever obligations a landlord has under law, and the faltering friendship, such as it is, may well be sacrificed to these mutual obligations.
 
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So my friend can use my friendship to pay less than half the going rate for a house even he earns three times as much as me ? I am a little aggrieved tbh that he hasn't mentioned paying a little more especially....

Oddly enough when we first set this all up they said they wanted a long term (eg two year plus lease) agreement set up which I did but they have never ever signed it.

At a fundamental level I suppose I wouldn't be looking if I thought I had been treated a little better - I think as they will have been there two years shortly with zero rent increase that I will move it up to 80% of market value rather than the 50 it currently is and see what happens.

Its absolute madness here in Cornwall in the Uk at the moment with quality holiday lets.I have already had 2 agents (decades of great feedback and they deal with with super high end houses down to mine) I know guarantee me full summer occupancy for next year and the year after from april to september with minimal drop-off out of season as Cornwall season seems to run all year bar Jan / Feb - both expecting around 40-50k a year. Obviously from that there is their 15% fee and then furnishing the place to a decent standard and paying cleaners etc to be considered but there is very little risk here in terms of the house as the agents cover damage and I walk past it most days on my dog walk as I live in a house 5 mins from it.

If they felt aggrieved by this (if I do it) then yeah our friendship would be over as I did them a massive favour two years ago when no-one else would and have continued to do so for the last 2 years......
Your tone has oddly changed. Why ask for advice in the first post when it is now clear that you provided us with information that was incorrect and misleading? I am out. Good luck.
 
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So my friend can use my friendship to pay less than half the going rate for a house even he earns three times as much as me ? I am a little aggrieved tbh that he hasn't mentioned paying a little more especially....

Oddly enough when we first set this all up they said they wanted a long term (eg two year plus lease) agreement set up which I did but they have never ever signed it.

At a fundamental level I suppose I wouldn't be looking if I thought I had been treated a little better - I think as they will have been there two years shortly with zero rent increase that I will move it up to 80% of market value rather than the 50 it currently is and see what happens.

Its absolute madness here in Cornwall in the Uk at the moment with quality holiday lets.I have already had 2 agents (decades of great feedback and they deal with with super high end houses down to mine) I know guarantee me full summer occupancy for next year and the year after from april to september with minimal drop-off out of season as Cornwall season seems to run all year bar Jan / Feb - both expecting around 40-50k a year. Obviously from that there is their 15% fee and then furnishing the place to a decent standard and paying cleaners etc to be considered but there is very little risk here in terms of the house as the agents cover damage and I walk past it most days on my dog walk as I live in a house 5 mins from it.

If they felt aggrieved by this (if I do it) then yeah our friendship would be over as I did them a massive favour two years ago when no-one else would and have continued to do so for the last 2 years......
So if you are renting at 50% of the going rate, then you are not going to be happy. The friend tenant is unlikely to offer to pay more rent.
If it was me I would sit down with them and say you have been offered x to use the house as a holiday rent. Y would be the going rate for normal rent and he’s only paying half that.
Then you can either negotiate a new fairer rent rate with them or give them notice. At the end of the day unless your friend was struggling financially, 50% off is not mates rates. It’s charity.
I’m sure the friendship will suffer, but it sounds like you are already resentful of the list income anyway.
 
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I think you're right - I think I will sit down with my friend with all the figures and see what we all think....
 
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