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benyben123

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Hi.
My late 2011 MBP (i do realise how old it is) is running HOT. YouTube 1080p will put it at 90c.

Regular browsing in Chrome will hover at 65c.

It is VERY clean inside (dust wise).

My question: will a new thermal paste help?

Don't want to go through the trouble of changing it without seeing meaningful results.

Any advice would be appreciate it.

Thx so much!


PS - I am using Fanny to see CPU temps.
 

best thermal compound around.
 
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just found out this LM needs to be reapplied every year or so.

No way I am doing that :)

So the question is - will replacing with a REGULAR thermal paste help as well?

Thx :)
 
It's hard to tell if changing thermal paste is going to lower the temperature. The hardware controls cooling, and if needed throttles the CPU, so that it won't die. This usually means that the CPU temperature won't ever exceed 90°C. If the temperature goes over 90°C, the hardware will start increasing fan RPM until the temperature stays at 90°C. If the fans can't keep the temperature at 90°C the hardware will have to throttle the CPU enough to keep temperature below that.

Changing the thermal paste might not lower temperature but it might lower the noise generated by the fans and/or boost performance. Thermal paste helps heat to move from the CPU to the heatsink. If the paste has dried up, heat won't be able move from CPU to heatsink as efficiently and thus the CPU's (and its surrounding's) temperature will go up and the hardware will have to do more to keep temperature at safe level.

Thermal paste should be replaced every few years. Also if your computer still has the original not-very-good paste, it probably has dried up pretty thoroughly. Poor quality paste needs to be replaced more often than good. The difference in price between good and not-good isn't really that much, and considering the benefits you get from good paste, you probably don't want to even consider going with anything else than the best paste you can find. Noctua NT-H1 is at least one popular thermal paste, but there are probably others as well. The smallest tube of thermal paste you can find is probably enough to change the thermal paste on all your devices you have, and your friends's, family's and relatives's devices.

Before changing the paste, if it's the first time you have ever done anything like it, you might want to check a YouTube video or two, or read some other material. But in short, you need some alcohol to remove the old paste and then apply a very small amount of paste. Also if you are going to change the thermal paste, change GPU's paste also, if your machine has one.

And a note on liquid metal thermal pastes: They are corrosive to some metals so you want to be careful with them, or just use normal thermal paste to be safe.
 
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thank you so much for this very informative answer!!! i really do appreciate it.

i will follow your advice. i did used to thermal paste with desktops, but sure can use some youtube vids on how to do this on the mbp11. i think i should give it a try considering i really do like this machine and as a student it serves me pretty well.

thanks again!!!
 
Depends on the model my 15" 2011 the Logic Board is inverted and it runs reasonably cool idling at around 35C in ambient of 25C. Having to remove the entire Logic Board is likely not worth it as even under full load the notebook runs reasonably well holding 3/1GHz across all cores at 90C/95C.

Be worth to blow out the fans and heatsinks, fans are fragile and best prevented from free spinning if cleaning. Avoid chrome and make sure Flash isn't being used by YT as shouldn't get to 90C just playing 1080p.

New thermal paste may make a difference or it may do nothing, in the case of my own 2011 not worth the hassle as it runs neither hot or noisy in normal operation. Before doing anything I would recommend looking at the SW load on the CPU as might be as simple as that before breaking out the tools.

FWIW stock Late 2011 15" MBP

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Avoid chrome
That is also a good point. Especially because YouTube uses VP9 codec if the browser supports it. Chrome does support it but Apple has refused to provide proper hardware support for it which means that all VP9 content will be decoded by CPU. You could look around if there's a way to disable VP9 in Chrome or just use Safari for your YouTube viewing needs.
 
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WOW!!!!

This is a very valuable information! Thank you!!!

I had a feeling it's something of this kind.

Can you possibly expand on this? Link maybe?

I have a problem with Safari because I can't sync my bookmarks and I can't block web ads.

Is there any other alternative which solves this issue other than Chrome?
 
I have a problem with Safari because I can't sync my bookmarks and I can't block web ads.
If you have a Windows device you can use iCloud to sync your bookmarks to number of browsers on Windows. (side note: it's funny how Apple actually provides more functionality for Windows users in this regard. In Windows you can sync Chrome bookmarks into iCloud, but you cannot do that in macOS to the best of my knowledge.) But if you have an Android device you are out of luck. Safari does have number of ad-block extensions.

Can you possibly expand on this?
Apple prefers H.264 (also known as AVC, AVC1) video codec, which is a standard video codec (it's part of MPEG-4 standard), and other standard codecs. Apple provides full hardware support for it on all devices that is able to support it, which I believe is every such device that can run the latest version of its operating system and even some older ones. Full hardware support means that the GPU can handle the decoding of such video files. GPU is specialized processing unit that is highly efficient at certain kind of calculations, and video codecs happen to fall in to that category.

VP9 on the other hand is Google's own creation and is not considered a standard. Apple for some reason haven't bothered to create full hardware support for it so VP9 encoded videos are decoded by CPU under macOS and iOS.

You can test by opening same YouTube video in Chrome and Safari and watching the CPU usage. Just make sure they both are playing the same resolution version of the video - Chrome can play YouTube videos that are higher than 1080p resolution, because YouTube only provides VP9 encoded versions of those resolutions. You will probably notice that playing that video in Safari uses hardly any CPU time. You can check what codec YouTube uses by pressing second mouse button over YouTube video -> Technical Information.

Is there any other alternative which solves this issue other than Chrome?
There is add-on called h264ify which might help. There are also ways (add-ons, etc.) to open YouTube videos to external players (such as mpv) or to Safari. Opening them to external players might have some upsides but one downside is that they probably don't support autoplaying next video.
 
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For me you always need to validate the SW first in the chase to reduce operating temperatures. Just for YT Safari is adequate, and Apple is not seemingly moving on VP9, likely never. Block the ads with AdGuard or Wiper extensions.

Personally I have mixed thoughts on replacing the thermal paste, as to be frank it's not going to make a huge difference to older Mac's as their cooling systems are generally barely adequate in the first place. You also need to consider the type of TIM; many types of high performance paste/grease needs to be replaced at periodic intervals and some will degrade if exposed to greater than 80C, some will migrate, all rendering them questionable for notebooks. Liquid Metal is for those that know and understand the preparation and risks, nor does it play well with bare copper.

Apple's application of thermal paste and choice is often maligned, equally too much paste is not an issue as long as the clamping force is within specification, just looks a mess. With the actual paste being designed for longevity not absolute performance. My 2011 15" remains on stock paste and I see no reason to change it. If anything it now runs cooler (likely firmware & OS optimisations) On the Intel Power Gadget all core test the fans don't even max out (5K), with Handbrake CPU still hold over 3GHz. New thermal paste it might see a reduction of 5% - 10% and removing the Logic Board on such an old notebook presents it own risks.

TBH what I'd recommend is; carefully clean up the cooling system, switch to Safari for YT, run an AD blocker, elevate the rear of the MBP 1/2" and you might just find it runs a lot cooler.

n.b. 13" & 15" tend to operate very differently, especially with external displays, with the 15" running far hotter.

A rather canned reply from the day;
I still have a stock 2011 15" MBP in the house so feel I am reasonably well versed; key as others have stated is to keep the GPU as cool as reasonably practicable, equally much will be dependant on your usage/workflow. There are some practical things that can be done to help;

Being an owner & user of the 15" MacBook Pro forever; Over the years the 15" has frequently struggled with it`s thermals, especially when an external display is connected as the dGPU switches by default, internal temperatures soar, equally there are some steps that can be taken to reduce the systems temperature;

  1. Elevate the rear, aluminium passive coolers generally work best (I use RainDesign's mStand)
  2. Increase base fan RPM to 3K or as much as you are comfortable with (MacsFanControl or SMC Fan Control)
  3. Limit the dGPU's usage with gSwitch or gfxCardStatus (need to verify model & OS compatibility)
  4. Swap out Chrome for Chrome Canary as it`s generally more optimised for OS X and will extend battery run time, reduce thermals (not validated for many a year)
  5. Swap out VLC for Movist as again it's a reduced load on CPU/GPU
  6. Uninstall or block Flash
  7. Install an ad blocker AdGuard or Wipr works well
  8. Powered coolers are very much a "mixed bag" when it comes to Mac portables, you need one that has a high capacity (100 CFM minimum) and preferably a large single fan, this can help to keep the 15" internal fans below 4K which for many is good enough as often it's this point and beyond where the fans become intrusive. Don't expect a powered cooler impact internal temperatures, beyond a couple of degrees.
  9. Older notebooks can benefit from cleaning of the cooling system (compressed air cans can damage fans, I use a rechargeable blower)
  10. Retina's can benefit from cleaning of the cooling system, as the heat syncs are far smaller and loose efficiency faster, due to build up of dust (special drive required to open the notebooks base plate)
  11. Replacing the thermal paste has been hit & miss over the years, some with very positive results, some with no improvement at all over stock or worse. Personally I would only do this on a Mac Portable that was either very old and/or one that I can confirm was definitely running considerably hotter than stock.
  12. If your MBP has a discrete GPU, it will fire up when an external display is connected as default, temperatures will rise rapidly
  13. Consider a specific vertical stand when using a MPB in "Clamshell" mode allowing for greater circulation of air. Some recommend inverting the MBP in the stand with the exhaust at the top & intake at the bottom (Retina's)
The key to a cooler quieter life with a 15" MacBook Pro is several incremental changes that do add up to reduce thermals. From my experience over the years if your going to push a 15"/17" MBP hard the fans are going to max out fast, with associated temperature & noise. If your using it with a moderate load life can be made far more tolerable. For the most part your MBP runs hot as that's how Apple designed it, the trade off for form over, function, thin & light...

The old adage still applies; it's easier to keep the notebook cool, than cool-down an already overly hot system. This being said it`s not strictly necessary, equally it`s nice to know that there are some options for reducing temperature out there.

FWIW Late 2011 15" OS X 10.13.6 High Sierra, Radeon dGPU limited by gSwitch (1.9.7), stock as per factory, 3,139 days young today :p

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