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For those who have been using exclusively Apple devices and relied on the ecosystem but since left it, I'm wondering how you did it?

Currently I have a MacBook/iPad/iPhone/Watch setup, and my first thought is to update the laptop first, since that seems to be the weakest link, then switch to a new tablet (like maybe the S3), then a new Samsung (maybe a Note 8 or another Galaxy phone) and a Gear S3 watch as part of an incremental move over. This gives me time to adjust to using Windows 10, and then I can learn how to use Android later on, so I'm not trying to do everything all at once.

Thoughts?
 
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Do you really have to give up the whole ecosystem as a whole?

I use the devices which I like, an I am not worried into being into an ecosystem. I do have an iPhone, an iPad, and a MacBook Pro. But I also have an Android phone, a Windows laptop and a Windows desktop. I am fine as long as everything works the way I want them to.

The iPhone is a very nice cell phone, but perhaps others can be nice as well. The phone must be convenient and fast to use, have a good touch screen, and allow me to check and answer to e-mails, surf the Internet, and read documents.

A computer must be fast and comfortable to use, with a good screen and a good keyboard. It must allow me to surf the Internet, and to run Microsoft Office, and other software which I need.

There is life outside of Apple ecosystem. The iPhone is great, and harder to replace, and most Android phones are not as nice. Perhaps the top-range Galaxy are at this point. As for the laptop, you can certainly replace a MacBook with a Windows device, especially if it is a top-notch one. Nearly 90% of computer users use Windows machines, so they are certainly very usable.
 
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Do you really have to give up the whole ecosystem as a whole?

I use the devices which I like, an I am not worried into being into an ecosystem. I do have an iPhone, an iPad, and a MacBook Pro. But I also have an Android phone, a Windows laptop and a Windows desktop. I am fine as long as everything works the way I want them to.

The iPhone is a very nice cell phone, but perhaps others can be nice as well. The phone must be convenient and fast to use, have a good touch screen, and allow me to check and answer to e-mails, surf the Internet, and read documents.

A computer must be fast and comfortable to use, with a good screen and a good keyboard. It must allow me to surf the Internet, and to run Microsoft Office, and other software which I need.

There is life outside of Apple ecosystem. The iPhone is great, and harder to replace, and most Android phones are not as nice. Perhaps the top-range Galaxy are at this point. As for the laptop, you can certainly replace a MacBook with a Windows device, especially if it is a top-notch one. Nearly 90% of computer users use Windows machines, so they are certainly very usable.

The ecosystem is very helpful for my work-at-home environment. Since it's important to be instantly accessible, my watch alerts me to any VIP emails and texts I get, and I can move from the phone to MacBook easily to continue text conversations and emails, etc. I've also relied on Photos easily being synced using the iCloud library from iPhone to iPad to MacBook, and so on. There's a lot to consider regarding convenience and workflow that relies on a seamless ecosystem that I need to take into consideration, that's why it seems like taking incremental steps might be a good idea, starting with maybe a Surface Book to replace my MacBook.
 
If your current setup within the Apple ecosystem is working, why do you want to change? What elements do you want to change?

Because it's aging and turning into a serious joke. Once upon a time things used to just work. No longer. For example:

WindowsServer Memory Leak with High Sierra that slowed my MacBook to a crawl and eventually forced a reboot (finally fixed with a 10.13.1 update)

MacBook screen flickers at random

Screen Sharing via Messages stopped working inexplicably, forced to use a third party screen sharer to workaround)

Bluetooth crashes and would not be turned on (forcing a reboot)

Emoticons would not occasionally not be added when using the CNTL-CMD-SPACE to access menu (forcing another reboot)

AirPlay Mirroring suddenly stops working, streaming audio only (iPad)

Custom Ringtones removed from iTunes forcing me to look for workarounds

Finder refuses to locate files despite settings to ensure a hard drive wide search

Underwhelming support for external monitors despite discontinuing their own line (support for HiDPI is inconsistent and it’s never clear what monitor line officially support it, issues with sleep, and other notable glitches depending on monitor)

I'm currently using a mid-2014 MacBook, and I am shocked by the poor build quality and design of the newest MacBook Pros, an overly wide touchpad that I was constantly setting off when trying to type, a flimsy keyboard, along with an overall feeling the MacBook would break in half if I held it too hard. My 2014 had a much better build quality.

Flash Player refused to work in both Safari and Chrome, with Chrome being buggy and blocking permission despite the fact that permissions was given to enable the plugin. Closed captioning was buggy as well.​


And these are just the problems this week. It's getting close to where I'm splitting my time between troubleshooting and working because something is always going wrong. I've used Apple near exclusively for 10 years and there seems to be a clear downward trend in the stability of my devices. The usual norma is now and then i'd have an issue, like with handoff or continuity, where the fixes were relatively simple (such a slogging in and out of iCloud). Now though things are much less reliable. I'm exploring a more open ended system so I'm more flexible in using cross platform solutions depending on who has the better tech now.
 
I think that being part of the ecosystem does not require you to be 100% integrated.

I use an iPad Pro 9.7 and a first series Apple watch. I do still have a 7 plus. However my laptop is a 6 year old HP. My daily driver is a V30. I also use a Note 3 for random media as well.

I've got a Lumia 640 and a BlackBerry Z10 too.

I think you can really broaden your horizons and enjoyment if you open the possibilities.
 
Thank you for explaining -- and I can see why you are ready to make some changes.

Yes, no product is perfect, but there's definitely been a major uptick in serious problems enough that relaying on a closed ecosystem no longer seems prudent for me.
 
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I would just cut out the devices that are causing the most issues and keep any that continue to be great.

For instance, for me personally, I would be most likely to leave macOS before iOS simply because I find iPhones and iMessage really great and essential for me.

Desktop software however I could get by with on either side and in terms of hardware options, the PC side has so much more to offer in the way of options and flexibility.
 
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Leaving the Apple ecosystem is far easier than you might think.

I recently did exactly what you are contemplating. I had an iMac 5K/Macbook Pro/iPad Pro/iPhone 6S Plus/Watch Series 1 setup, all-in with Apple. My business, however, requires me to use both Windows and macOS, something I previously achieved with Parallels Desktop on the iMac.

My iMac 5K was very nice but too underpowered for one of my main requirements, video editing. I bought a MacBook Pro 15” with Touchbar for this and promptly returned it - I’ve never been so disappointed with an Apple computer in 20 years of using them and felt it was a waste of money. Instead, I decided to build an 8-core Ryzen 7 PC for editing and loved it, both in terms of sheer power and the choice that the PC world offers.

Since the PC now does all the heavy lifting, I sold the iMac and after returning the MacBook Pro, I bought a MacBook Air just so I have macOS on a portable computer.

I’ve used a lot of different tablets over the years and no Android device comes close to the iPad for me, so I kept the iPad Pro. Next came the need to replicate Messages, FaceTime etc and all my other apps.

Since I wanted my messages to be usable across all my devices, I also sold the iPhone and Watch and bought a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge and Huawei Watch. With the free Pushbullet service, my SMS/messaging is now available on Windows, Mac (via plugin) and even the iPad Pro (via the web interface). For video calls, I just use Skype or Hangouts.

I think the key to making the switch is to start using cross-platform apps now. Use Microsoft Office or Google Docs; Onedrive, Google Drive or Dropbox instead of iCloud Drive etc. If you’re using Notes, switch to Simplenote, Keep, Evernote or OneNote. For iMovie/Final Cut Pro try Hitfilm Express, Davinci Resolve or Premiere Elements/Pro.

It doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing. I love having a mix of Android, iOS, Windows and macOS - it really is the best of all worlds. If anything, it’s shown me how restrictive sticking to one ecosystem truly is and how it stifles choice - there is so much terrific hardware out there, some by Apple and some by other manufacturers. The best solution is the one that works for you, not the one that a single company tells you is superior.
 
It doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing. I love having a mix of Android, iOS, Windows and macOS - it really is the best of all worlds. If anything, it’s shown me how restrictive sticking to one ecosystem truly is and how it stifles choice - there is so much terrific hardware out there, some by Apple and some by other manufacturers. The best solution is the one that works for you, not the one that a single company tells you is superior.

I'm actually cross-platforming to some extent now, I subscribe to MS Office 365, use Evernote for work related notes (though I rely heavily on Apple Notes for personal stuff) and so on. One of the things I don't want to be caught off guard with is assuming a similar cross-platform function is available when it isn't: for example, I use my watch when I need to make quick reminders, and then add and adjust those reminders right on my MacBook. It's nice to set reminders that sync across all my devices beginning with my watch, so I want to make sure I can do essentially the same thing with say an S3 Gear watch.

I think the hardest part is going to be my photo library though, not sure if Picasa or Microsoft's native software is up to the task there. That's definitely something I need to look into. More and more though it seems the most likely first step will be to replace the MacBook and go from there.
 
How about Google Photos?
I'm fully in Apple ecosystem myself but am halfway to full Google Photos.

It's flat out better, save for a native app I suppose.
 
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Leaving the Apple ecosystem is far easier than you might think.

I recently did exactly what you are contemplating. I had an iMac 5K/Macbook Pro/iPad Pro/iPhone 6S Plus/Watch Series 1 setup, all-in with Apple. My business, however, requires me to use both Windows and macOS, something I previously achieved with Parallels Desktop on the iMac.

My iMac 5K was very nice but too underpowered for one of my main requirements, video editing. I bought a MacBook Pro 15” with Touchbar for this and promptly returned it - I’ve never been so disappointed with an Apple computer in 20 years of using them and felt it was a waste of money. Instead, I decided to build an 8-core Ryzen 7 PC for editing and loved it, both in terms of sheer power and the choice that the PC world offers.

Since the PC now does all the heavy lifting, I sold the iMac and after returning the MacBook Pro, I bought a MacBook Air just so I have macOS on a portable computer.

I’ve used a lot of different tablets over the years and no Android device comes close to the iPad for me, so I kept the iPad Pro. Next came the need to replicate Messages, FaceTime etc and all my other apps.

Since I wanted my messages to be usable across all my devices, I also sold the iPhone and Watch and bought a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge and Huawei Watch. With the free Pushbullet service, my SMS/messaging is now available on Windows, Mac (via plugin) and even the iPad Pro (via the web interface). For video calls, I just use Skype or Hangouts.

I think the key to making the switch is to start using cross-platform apps now. Use Microsoft Office or Google Docs; Onedrive, Google Drive or Dropbox instead of iCloud Drive etc. If you’re using Notes, switch to Simplenote, Keep, Evernote or OneNote. For iMovie/Final Cut Pro try Hitfilm Express, Davinci Resolve or Premiere Elements/Pro.

It doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing. I love having a mix of Android, iOS, Windows and macOS - it really is the best of all worlds. If anything, it’s shown me how restrictive sticking to one ecosystem truly is and how it stifles choice - there is so much terrific hardware out there, some by Apple and some by other manufacturers. The best solution is the one that works for you, not the one that a single company tells you is superior.
Lots of outstanding advice here that I would've posted if @The_Interloper hadn't done so first.
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Being selective about which devices are phased in is important. It's easy to do it all in one fell swoop, but that is unnecessarily costly. I'm in the process of doing this as well and as a device needs to be replaced, I'll make the decision at that point what the replacement will be.

Having a mix of platforms and ecosystems is indeed the best of both worlds, and surprisingly easy if you use cross-platform products whenever possible and feasible.
 
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I'm invested only partially in the Apple ecosystem. I own a iMac and iPhone 6S. That's it! No iPad, Apple TV, Watch, etc.

If you're thinking about buying a Windows laptop, look at the Surface Book by Microsoft. Similar to macOS, Microsoft builds custom drivers for its Surface line, namely custom graphics drivers for the GeForce GPU. This improves reliability of the system to a extent. You can't just download and install the latest drivers from Nvidia's website, as the drivers will be custom and the installer won't detect a supported chipset.

I don't know much about Android, so that's something you'll have to investigate on your own.
 
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Google Photos is excellent, as others have mentioned. It really is the cross-platform alternative to Photos; I also have 1Tb OneDrive storage through Office 365 so my photos are automatically backed up to both Google (at unlimited 'high' resolution) and OneDrive (at full res) simultaneously. Don't forget Flickr also offer 1Tb of free storage.

One thing mixing platforms has made me appreciate is just how good the iPad Pro is. I'm finding Android far more versatile for a phone, but iOS on a tablet is unparalleled and makes you really value the sheer quality and breadth of apps. I'm in the process of selling a Surface Pro 4 as (despite being excellent) it's made me realise I don't want Windows on a tablet - I want it on a desktop, where it can be used in a powerful way. For touch, I always reach for the iPad instead.

Choice is a wonderful - and personal - thing.
 
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Don’t understand why many think abandoning is a solution.
I have stuff in iCloud and Microsoft one drive.
Bouncing between platform and services hasn’t been a big deal.

Music. 400songs on my phone and I stream Prime.
I have movies in prime and iTunes.
Apple TV and Xbox one for media.
iPads, iPhones, pc laptop and a mbp.

I just don’t understand why the all or nothing.

Why not multiple services to make your ecosystem
 
Don’t understand why many think abandoning is a solution.
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I just don’t understand why the all or nothing.

Why not multiple services to make your ecosystem
Totally agree, but people are constantly told "ecosystem, ecosystem, ecosystem"....it's an irrational fear that everything will collapse if you aren't only using the services of one company.

I know many people who cannot comprehend leaving iPhone simply because of iMessage. Since I switched to Android, I keep getting their messages and they keep getting mine...due to that crusty old tech called SMS. I'm not sure they even noticed I switched.

Even stuff like Pages, Keynote etc is now available in a web browser.
 
Don’t understand why many think abandoning is a solution.
I have stuff in iCloud and Microsoft one drive.
Bouncing between platform and services hasn’t been a big deal.

Music. 400songs on my phone and I stream Prime.
I have movies in prime and iTunes.
Apple TV and Xbox one for media.
iPads, iPhones, pc laptop and a mbp.

I just don’t understand why the all or nothing.

Why not multiple services to make your ecosystem
Generally speaking, things work better on the systems they are native to. Google Drive, Docs, etc. work better on Chromebooks than they do on an iPad. Even WITHIN an ecosystem things work better on some platforms than others... iWork on macOS (even the newer version) is more feature rich than the web or iOS versions.

I heavily use Google Docs, iWork, and MS Office. I use each on their native platforms because that is where they perform the best.

Given that, I prefer multi-platform.

But that's not common. It is far more common for a person to pick ONE productivity suite (or set of apps) and go with THAT. For example: If someone is heavily steeped in MS Office, it would be unwise to attempt to use different platforms. The user experience of MS Office on platforms other than Windows, like macOS is inferior to that of Windows. I'm not fan of Windows at all, but when I have heavy lifting to do in MS Office, I do it on Windows. I'll use MS Office on my chromebook, Android tab, iPad, or iMac if I have to, but I won't be as productive as when I'm using the Windows version.

If a person finds that the majority of their apps work best on one particular platform, then it makes sense for them to switch that platform. Just as limiting oneself to a single ecosystem isn't viable for some (myself included) so too is attempting to be multi-ecosystem.


I know many people who cannot comprehend leaving iPhone simply because of iMessage. Since I switched to Android, I keep getting their messages and they keep getting mine...due to that crusty old tech called SMS. I'm not sure they even noticed I switched.
The Android <-> iPhone texting connection is not as seamless and stable in general as your firsthand experience implies. There are significant issues for many. THAT is why it is a problem. It's not that they think they can't communicate, but that there are issues.
 
I just don’t understand why the all or nothing.

It's a personal preference thing, fragmenting the ecosystem and going multi-platform generally adds a layer of complexity people may not like, myself included. Though I do try to use apps not native to Apple to reduce my reliance, from MS Office (no issues despite not being on a native platform), Evernote for many notes, to using Skype and Hangouts for texting rather than exclusively iMessage. Some things annoy me though, such as having to pay premium to use Evernote on more than 2 devices, the lack of a real-time translator on Skype for the Mac (though they completely ripped this out on Windows as well with little notice, another reason Microsoft irritates me), but overall I'm taking steps to reduce my dependency on one specific ecosystem and eventually break up my hardware accordingly as well.
 
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It's a personal preference thing, fragmenting the ecosystem and going multi-platform generally adds a layer of complexity people may not like, myself included. Though I do try to use apps not native to Apple to reduce my reliance, from MS Office (no issues despite not being on a native platform), Evernote for many notes, to using Skype and Hangouts for texting rather than exclusively iMessage. Some things annoy me though, such as having to pay premium to use Evernote on more than 2 devices, the lack of a real-time translator on Skype for the Mac (though they completely ripped this out on Windows as well with little notice, another reason Microsoft irritates me), but overall I'm taking steps to reduce my dependency on one specific ecosystem and eventually break up my hardware accordingly as well.

I have spent most of my college, grad school, and now-transitioning-into-professional-life, cross-platform. I have been totally invested in the Apple ecosystem a few times. I find that it is too expensive to get into, for what you get, and I always end up leaving it. Here is my set up currently:

-Apple Watch 3 (best smart watch/fitness tracker combo I have found)
-iPhone X (pixel or iPhone are the only phones I consider now. I only buy unlocked phones, and these two are the only ones that provide full functionality and great customer service). My wife went with the pixel XL (android auto is better by a long shot, and her car supports it). Both are great phones.
-iPad pro 12.9 2017. Honestly, no other company makes a pure table as good as the iPad.
-Apple tv 4K, Roku 4K, fire tv 4k, chromecast. They all have their advantages, and they were all picked up on promos or sales. The Apple TV is the fastest, but the Roku is close and offers more functionality.
-Google homes (promos, but I really enjoy them)
-Dell XPS 9560 (15in, quadcore cpu).Top of the line 4K model, with all the bells and whistles. I purchased a lower end, i5/4K model from the Dell outlet store. I had a minor problem with the keyboard, and they sent me the top of the line, $2800 (or whatever it cost) model as a replacement. I have no complaints. It is a great laptop, blazing fast, amazing great, good battery, etc. I paid barely over $1200 for it. I literally sold my 2016 MBPtb 13in for roughly $1400 (a $300 lose) after a few months. I was disappointed and frustrated with the MBPtb. I have always loved MBPs, but this new interation offered frustratingly low performance (ram bottleneck at 8gb) for the price. Even today, if you want to get 16gb of ram in a 13gb MBP, you have to spend 2k. You might as well go for the 15in, but you are really spending a lot of money for a laptop at that point. MacOS doesn’t offer the same advantages as it used to. Windows 10 is a really great operating system. The cost isn’t work the price on the current MBPtbs.

-Custom Built Work/Gaming PC. I won’t go into all the specs, but I built it about a year ago. For roughly $1300, including the diplay and mechanical keyboard, I got a PC that was way more powerful than anything you can get from Apple (until the iMac Pro), for a fraction of the price. It has an overclockable i7 sky lake, and a gtx 1070 for the gpu. It servers as a work computer, gaming machine, and a Plex server. It is the single most dependable machine I have ever used. When you combine powerful tech, with a well built, well cooled case...you will be surprised at what it can deliver.

Anyway, with the above, I never, ever feel disadvantages or like I am missing out on something. Here is my advice:
-Use OneDrive or Google Drive. I use OneDrive, and the complimentary X amount of terabytes of cloud storage that come with my office 365 subscription. It really is a great deal, for ~$8 a month, when you consider the cloud storage you get. OneDrive works great cross-platform.
-OneDrive photo sync and google photos. I use both, why not? Google photos in unlimited, but compressed (still high quality), and OneDrive is full quality and syncs with Windows 10. Windows 10 natively offers decent photo editing, and I believe google photos does too. I have photoshop for any heaving lifting, but there are plenty of free alternatives that are superior to iCloud photos. Gimp being a prime example, as well as other simplier programs.
-DONT USE AN ANTI-VIRUS. Anytime I have had problems/frustration on my windows 10 pcs, it has been caused by an anti-virus. You won’t know it either, and you will think it is another program. The updated version of windows 10, combined with the native anti-virus/malware is more than enough protection for 95% of users. You just have to be smart, and the same goes for macOS. I have malewarebyes, which doesn’t run in the background (free version), that I use once in a while to double check. I never find anything, but its an old habit.
-Messaging: I use hangouts, allo, Facebook messenger, and iMessage. Not having iMessage on my laptop/pc doesn’t bother me. I do use hangouts more than anything else, so that is a factor. Not having iMessage, again, isn’t a big deal to me. It might be to others, though.
-VLC player is a great option.
-Spotify, etc are great (often superior) alternatives to Apple Music/iTunes.
-Gaming may not interest you/you don’t buy a laptop with a dGPU. Even if both apply, the newer intel integrated graphics can play a lot of slightly older-older games at decent to good settings. It’s insanely cheap from the likes of steam/GOG, and there are 100s of high quality games available.
-I am sure there are other apps that I use. If you have a specific question/concern, I would be happy to offer my help.

The overall line of though here is that, unless you have a specific app/program that you cannot access/replicate the functionality on Window/Android/other platforms, then being cross platform is cheaper, more versatile, and can offer a superior experience. There may be a slight learning curve, but there is with all things, even Apple software.
 
I would say try one device at a time, but as @The_Interloper said start using cross-platform app right away. You may be surprised just how much Apple's ecosystem still works well together.

I tried exactly what you're doing. All because Apple, at the time at least, appeared to have abandoned the iMac. I needed a new machine and Apple wasn't making one that delivered specs from this decade, so I build a powerful PC myself. Very nice, too. Liquid-cooled GTX 1070 was a cherry on top. I thought that was going to be the best thing ever...

Then, the reality of everyday life came knocking. I have been using macOS (or OS X) exclusively since early 2000's. Change is hard. Hundreds of movies we own on Apple TV were virtually unplayable through iTunes for Windows. That software is a piece of work, let me tell you. The setup was a mess for me. I tried to move away from the iPhone. I missed iMessage and other things. The entire workflow fell apart. I went back. The PC built is now a gaming system mainly powering the Rift and siting in the living room. Still love that machine and it still runs incredibly well. It's great for games, but that's about it for me.

I had a lot more syncing issues, too. That's worth pointing out. You are making some assumptions here as well. You assume that things will be perfect and all the problems you're having now will go away. They will not. In fact, if statistical data is any predictor, Apple still has one of the best customer service experiences and some of the most reliable hardware.

Grass is always greener - especially if you've been enjoying the same pasture for a long time. Think long and hard about the change. I don't want to discourage you from doing it. There are many people here who jumped ship and are super happy. If that works for you, you'll save money and enjoy limitless options for hardware and software. It can be fun and very liberating.

At the same time, if you've been around Apple for a long time, you may never quiet adjust to the world outside of the walled garden that is the Apple ecosystem.
 
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