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I came across this bandwidth calculator. (Other people have posted text summaries of individual bandwidth calculations in other threads before, but the bandwidth calculator makes things easier.)


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Guys, guys … this is becoming a “Tastes great!”/“Less filling!” argument. You all have valid points. Everyone’s needs - and opinions - are different.

I just wanna know when I can see this thing at my nearest Micro Center (U.S.) :)
 
And some of us buying expensive displays do want matte. Glossy is a deal killer for me. ;)
There seems to be a real disconnect between lots of MacRumors forum members and actual professional video editors for example. The vast majority of high end pro creative productivity monitors are matte. It surely can't be because all the pro monitor manufacturers just ignore customer opinion and make matte monitors just because. Even Apple offers a nano-texture matte option for all of its pro Macs and displays for higher cost.
 
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Makes no sense to just want "a good looking, physically large, 6k display" and consider the performance (e.g. brightness) is irrelevant.

I assume the previous poster was speaking about brightness within a reasonable range. My older MacBook Air's screen is rated at less than 400 nits and I typically run it at multiple notches below peak.

Not saying other people might need or benefit from more. I am sure they do. Just for many people 400 nits is more than enough for that screen size.

I am assume BenQ is a reasonable source for information on this and outside of mentioned video tasks, it sounds like 300+ nits should be fine for most people:
 
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@EugW Professional video editors used glossy CRTs for about 40 years, and when Sony etc went over to LCDs they abandoned glass (as an unnecessary cost).
Only when Steve Jobs insisted on glass for the iPhone 1, and Jonny Ives put it onto the iMacs and Apple displays did it become a thing.
And Apple showed LG how to make them. 😀

The subsection of video editors who used Apple were quite happy with glossy. They worked in a controlled lighting environment.

The majority of video editors who needed reference monitoring continued with Sony and Flanders Scientific etc. Non-glossy because that’s what you got…

It’s offices with non-controlled lighting that needed matte…
 
It’s offices with non-controlled lighting that needed matte…

Is matte any easier on older eyes? I loved my 30" ACD that was a matte screen. Ever since the 27" panel replaced the 30" standard, I just haven't been as in love with large screens. I spend more time on my laptop away from my desk these days and it's partially because my older eyes have an easier time reading the laptop screen. It just seems to line up with my progressive lenses better.

The switch from a 30" ACD to the 27" LG 5K also mostly overlapped with the time that I had to give up single vision glasses for progressive lenses. I'm hoping that a 32" form factor rekindles my love for having one big fat screen, but I'm also concerned that I'll simply buy it and decide that I'm still more comfortable with a laptop screen.

Granted I know that laptop screen is glossy, but the lighting conditions are much more flexible than a display that's fixed to a monitor arm.
 
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I think my Huawei MateView 28.2" looks reasonably decent aesthetically. Bezels are relatively small. It's not a great monitor overall though, just OK, but the price reflects that. I had to calibrate it myself since the colours were off out of the box.

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I think I calibrated the Huawei at around 120 nits or something, in a room with dimmed lighting. According to reviews, the highlights would hit around 500 nits or less in (pseudo-)HDR mode so not even DisplayHDR 600 levels, but these days I just use SDR anyway because my Windows VPN window doesn't play nice on macOS in HDR mode. I get colour fringing around text in HDR mode but strictly in the Windows 11 window, which doesn't happen in SDR mode.
Oh that is nice looking. I had a H
I think my Huawei MateView 28.2" looks reasonably decent aesthetically. Bezels are relatively small. It's not a great monitor overall though, just OK, but the price reflects that. I had to calibrate it myself since the colours were off out of the box.

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I think I calibrated the Huawei at around 120 nits or something, in a room with dimmed lighting. According to reviews, the highlights would hit around 500 nits or less in (pseudo-)HDR mode so not even DisplayHDR 600 levels, but these days I just use SDR anyway because my Windows VPN window doesn't play nice on macOS in HDR mode. I get colour fringing around text in HDR mode but strictly in the Windows 11 window, which doesn't happen in SDR mode.
oh I forgot about Huawei. I have (had) a beautiful digital face watch from them. Sadly now we have retina / OLED and the faces just aren’t up to par. There’s a brand called NOTHING CMF, it’s on Amazon. They are like $79 and the faces are beautiful. I have basically all the gen 2 and gen 3 models. I will admit, their UI / iOS is so weird. Like one Gen 3 model, and between another that is basically the same watch has totally different ways of settings. But I bought it to actually get away from Apple. Just to breathe. Oh and the battery life. I actually would have kept all my Apple Watches if it weren’t for battery life.

Bad photo in the dark, but the orange is bright red and very minimal. I get about 4 days with always on. Might be more actually. I just know I never have to think about charging it, because the charging mechanism is horrible. Oh well. Good trade.
 

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@EugW Professional video editors used glossy CRTs for about 40 years, and when Sony etc went over to LCDs they abandoned glass (as an unnecessary cost).
Only when Steve Jobs insisted on glass for the iPhone 1, and Jonny Ives put it onto the iMacs and Apple displays did it become a thing.
And Apple showed LG how to make them. 😀

The subsection of video editors who used Apple were quite happy with glossy. They worked in a controlled lighting environment.

The majority of video editors who needed reference monitoring continued with Sony and Flanders Scientific etc. Non-glossy because that’s what you got…

It’s offices with non-controlled lighting that needed matte…
Bravo! Facts and all! 🥹😌
 
Really eager to see a proper review on this once they ship. I just want it for productivity and prefer glossy. Although not until some serious discounts happen.

A new iMac with this panel (with Apple's touch of nits) would really shake things up and bring it back to relevance.
 
Really eager to see a proper review on this once they ship. I just want it for productivity and prefer glossy. Although not until some serious discounts happen.

A new iMac with this panel (with Apple's touch of nits) would really shake things up and bring it back to relevance.
The LG 6K isn't glossy, and I'm 99% sure there will never be an iMac with this panel.
 
The LG 6K isn't glossy, and I'm 99% sure there will never be an iMac with this panel.
Im also 99.9% sure but this is the place to say such thoughts. And what i meant to say is that matte is not a deal breaker even if i prefer glossy. Would have to see it in my space first.
 
The Asus 6K is CA$1899.99 / US$1957 and the LG 6K is CA$2699.99 / US$1928. That's a difference of CA$800 / US$571. (The US dollar is currently worth almost exactly $1.40 Canadian.)

I don't use Adobe RGB, don't have any devices with Thunderbolt 5, and don't need a true 10-bit panel as 8-bit FRC is fine for me. Still, I'm looking for an excuse to get the LG, just because it's prettier. 😝

Some people who already have the Asus 6K are very happy with it, but others have complained about brightness and black uniformity as well as light bleed, so it seems Asus' QA program needs work. I wonder if the LG 6K will have better QA, although I'm not entirely optimistic since there have been a lot of complaints here about the QA and reliability of the LG 5K models. There's also the Acer, but it seems to be vapourware in the western markets so far, and in my experience, Acer has not been good for QA either. The good news though is at least for me in the past, Acer had pretty reasonable customer support under warranty.
 
The Asus 6K is CA$1899.99 / US$1957 and the LG 6K is CA$2699.99 / US$1928. That's a difference of CA$800 / US$571. (The US dollar is currently worth almost exactly $1.40 Canadian.)

I don't use Adobe RGB, don't have any devices with Thunderbolt 5, and don't need a true 10-bit panel as 8-bit FRC is fine for me. Still, I'm looking for an excuse to get the LG, just because it's prettier. 😝
Excuse found! 🥳 😎

LG Canada has various discounts on the LG 32U990A-S.AUS 6K.

- $50 coupon if you sign up to their website, for purchases over $500.
- 10% off for some occupations
- $300 Visa pre-paid credit card for LG 6K pre-orders from October 10 to 30. Card arrives 4-6 weeks later.

So, I've pre-ordered, with the monitor to come in November.

My pre-order price is CA$2380 (US$1700), plus $13.90 environmental fee, plus tax. At CA$480 more than the Asus, it was an easy decision. I hope I'll also get the $300 Visa card, but I'm not sure about their promotion policy on that.

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Excuse found! 🥳 😎

LG Canada has various discounts on the LG 32U990A-S.AUS 6K.

- $50 coupon if you sign up to their website, for purchases over $500.
- 10% off for some occupations
- $300 Visa pre-paid credit card for LG 6K pre-orders from October 10 to 30. Card arrives 4-6 weeks later.

So, I've pre-ordered, with the monitor to come in November.

My pre-order price is CA$2380 (US$1700), plus $13.90 environmental fee, plus tax. At CA$480 more than the Asus, it was an easy decision. I hope I'll also get the $300 Visa card, but I'm not sure about their promotion policy on that.

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Nice. Hoping you can provide some impressions after you get it.
 
I think, if any, the iMac will be seeing the end of days. It doesn't make sense. In it's time, it was a new "wow" factor.. But with the Mac mini being so tiny, and the studio display (in my opinion) AND Apple's cranking out new chips much quicker, the iMac becomes a dinosaur rather quickly. At least I think it will. This way you can keep your beautiful 5k monitor, and just have to upgrade your Mac mini.

So now you aren't tied to a specific monitor, and when it's ready, you'll have the option for a 120hz gaming monitor as well.

That's what I think anyway. "Land and Expand". Get the consumer to get the monitor and Mac mini, and they'll probably just keep upgrading their mini for life. Until we are just down to an iPhone that does everything and more. It'll be on Mars before we are! lol.
 
I think, if any, the iMac will be seeing the end of days. It doesn't make sense. In it's time, it was a new "wow" factor.. But with the Mac mini being so tiny, and the studio display (in my opinion) AND Apple's cranking out new chips much quicker, the iMac becomes a dinosaur rather quickly. At least I think it will. This way you can keep your beautiful 5k monitor, and just have to upgrade your Mac mini.

So now you aren't tied to a specific monitor, and when it's ready, you'll have the option for a 120hz gaming monitor as well.

That's what I think anyway. "Land and Expand". Get the consumer to get the monitor and Mac mini, and they'll probably just keep upgrading their mini for life. Until we are just down to an iPhone that does everything and more. It'll be on Mars before we are! lol.
Sales estimates in 2023/2024 are that the iMac still vastly outsells the Mac mini. However, the Mac laptops in turn outsell the iMac 20 fold. That tells you just how low the sales for the Mac mini are. The iMac apparently outsells the Mac mini and Mac Studio combined, despite the fact that the iMac has a built-in screen, while both the Mac mini and Mac Studio allow the use of any screen you want.
 
I think, if any, the iMac will be seeing the end of days. It doesn't make sense. In it's time, it was a new "wow" factor.. But with the Mac mini being so tiny, and the studio display (in my opinion) AND Apple's cranking out new chips much quicker, the iMac becomes a dinosaur rather quickly. At least I think it will. This way you can keep your beautiful 5k monitor, and just have to upgrade your Mac mini.

So now you aren't tied to a specific monitor, and when it's ready, you'll have the option for a 120hz gaming monitor as well.

That's what I think anyway. "Land and Expand". Get the consumer to get the monitor and Mac mini, and they'll probably just keep upgrading their mini for life. Until we are just down to an iPhone that does everything and more. It'll be on Mars before we are! lol.

I think they'll keep some form of iMac going.
It's perfect as a "lifestyle" computer.

I routinely see them in medical offices (often dentist or orthodontist).
 
Sales estimates in 2023/2024 are that the iMac still vastly outsells the Mac mini. However, the Mac laptops in turn outsell the iMac 20 fold. That tells you just how low the sales for the Mac mini are. The iMac apparently outsells the Mac mini and Mac Studio combined, despite the fact that the iMac has a built-in screen, while both the Mac mini and Mac Studio allow the use of any screen you want.
with the redesigned m4 mac mini coming out end of 2024, i would be shocked if these numbers would still be the same in 2025.
 
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I think they'll keep some form of iMac going.
It's perfect as a "lifestyle" computer.

I routinely see them in medical offices (often dentist or orthodontist).
iMacs are extremely popular in the backgrounds for YouTube content creators. ;) Seriously though, I have repeatedly seen them in school computer labs, row after row of iMacs, both in universities and high schools. A lot of those labs still have Intel iMacs, but I've already seen them with Apple Silicon iMacs.

Yeah, they could go with Mac minis and external monitors, but I just never see that. You generally lose Retina support unless you go with Apple monitors or top of the line third party monitors. However, Apple monitors are too expensive for this purpose, at least for publicly funded schools. And if you go with third party monitors, whether they be cheap ones or expensive ones, colour management becomes more complicated, and you start running into other issues such as wake-from-sleep problems, etc. with macOS updates. In fact, I've run into this problem myself. My third party monitors worked perfectly with Sequoia and Sonoma, but now on Tahoe I have sleep issues, so now I've set my M4 Mac mini up to never sleep.


with the redesigned m4 mac mini coming out end of 2024, i would be shocked if these numbers would still be the same in 2025.
Prepare to be shocked. Although the data currently remains scarce, initial 2025 estimates by some pundits still have the iMac easily outselling the Mac mini. 2025 Q1 estimates have the best selling laptop Macs being the MacBook Pro overall and the MacBook Air in the education sector, and the best selling desktop Macs being the iMac.

I do think the M4 Mac mini may outsell the M2 Mac mini, but remember, the unit sales of the M2 Mac mini were so low to begin with that even if Mac mini sales increased by 50%, they still wouldn't outsell the iMac.

BTW, I'd say I'm not biased toward the iMac, as I own an M4 Mac mini as my main computer, and before that owned an M1 Mac mini as my main computer. I haven't bought an iMac since 2017, and don't buy MacBooks for myself anymore either (although I did buy an M4 MacBook Air for my wife this year). And as you know, I just ordered a 6K 31.5" LG monitor to pair with my M4 Mac mini. Fingers crossed that I don't run into sleep problems or other compatibility problems with the LG 6K.
 
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Prepare to be shocked. Although the data currently remains scarce, initial 2025 estimates by some pundits still have the iMac easily outselling the Mac mini. 2025 Q1 estimates have the best selling laptop Macs being the MacBook Pro overall and the MacBook Air in the education sector, and the best selling desktop Macs being the iMac.
My money is on the Mini substantially closing the gap or beating the iMac in 2025. But even if those "pundit" stats were released, it's still a best guess. And it won't account for the unit sales that Apple sells directly to consumer which I believe is about 30% of all sales. Unless they somehow got access to the secret production numbers which also don't mean they sold. But I don't doubt that a 14 year old mini in 23-24, with some under the hood refreshes, a questionable value in its base form (8gb/slow 256gb ssd), and expensive with upgrades, lost out to a redesigned iMac from 2021. And working in the Apple distribution channel myself for decades, many independent Apple resellers always told me they struggled selling the redesigned iMacs, especially the base 8gb/256gb trims without below water discounts. The 16GB base M4 has improved the value but so did the M4 Mini. Could be regional, as I'm in Toronto, Canada. Primary and secondary schools here, don't buy Macs, they buy Chromebooks or crippled cheap Windows laptops or at best, MacBook Airs. I have some visibility to all the tenders from the boards. This mini talk is going off track though... lol. If there are sleep issues with the LG, will it be a deal breaker for you? LG Canada can be tricky to deal with for returns as I don't think they cover shipping on the way back. And it's only 15 days I believe. I ran into a bit of an issue with them when I bought an OLED tv not too long ago. Just an FYI.
 
Could be regional, as I'm in Toronto, Canada. Primary and secondary schools here, don't buy Macs, they buy Chromebooks or crippled cheap Windows laptops or at best, MacBook Airs. I have some visibility to all the tenders from the boards.
I'm in Toronto. I just went to a high school open house since my kid will be attending high school next year. That publicly funded TCDSB high school had two multimedia labs full of iMacs. One lab was all 21.5" Intel iMacs and one lab was all 24" Apple Silicon iMacs.

Chromebooks would be pointless for this since none of the mainstream video editing applications exist on Chrome, unless you count LumaFusion. Plus the screens are too small. BTW, in case you think I'm biased against LumaFusion, I have LumaFusion on my iPad Pro just because it was cheap to buy.

I know that the TDSB primary schools tend to buy Chromebooks, but you should note that the kids themselves generally hate them. However, Chromebooks are fine for the online education stuff in primary school since it's mostly Google web apps anyway, and they're cheaper and easier to administer. But for home use, the same kids would much, much rather buy a Windows laptop or MacBook Air.

Anyhow, as you've illustrated, these schools generally do not buy desktops with external displays. They buy laptops and sometimes desktops with internal displays. Even if you think iMacs are expensive, buying Mac minis with Retina displays (Apple or third party) is even more expensive. They wouldn't be pairing them with even the LG 5K, and of course the LG 6K would a pipe dream. Unfortunately 4K 24" screens essentially no longer exist... except in the iMac which is higher than 4K actually. And even if they went with el cheapo monitors, it will be more difficult for an IT person to try to administer. Most high school IT people don't know how to colour calibrate monitors either.

If there are sleep issues with the LG, will it be a deal breaker for you? LG Canada can be tricky to deal with for returns as I don't think they cover shipping on the way back. And it's only 15 days I believe. I ran into a bit of an issue with them when I bought an OLED tv not too long ago. Just an FYI.
I looked into this before I ordered. For non-warranty returns at LG Canada, return shipping for all monitors and for TVs ≤55" is $25. For TVs >55", there is a 15% restocking charge.

Would sleep issues on the LG 6K be a deal killer? If that was the only problem then maybe not. If I win the panel lottery and get minimal vignetting, decent black and white uniformity, no stuck sub-pixels, and minimal backlight bleed, I'd likely keep it even if I have to force always-on for the M4 Mac mini. OTOH, if I get significant backlight bleed and bad screen uniformity, it will be going back regardless.
 
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I'm in Toronto. I just went to a high school open house since my kid will be attending high school next year. That publicly funded TCDSB high school had two multimedia labs full of iMacs. One lab was all 21.5" Intel iMacs and one lab was all 24" Apple Silicon iMacs.
Lab equipment equate to several hundred devices every 4-5 year upgrade cycle for the lab in a GTA board. Typically Macs are only considered for the creative labs. Personal devices handed out by the boards equate to tens of thousands annually. Which is what would push the needle in unit sales for a large company. So where it counts, iMacs nor Minis are bought in volume or recommended by the boards. Minis’ for labs are eliminated because they are also easier to steal and conceal from a classroom. Which is a factor. And of course students (high school, college, uni) want mostly Macs but it isnt Mac desktops either. Anyways, we will see what these stat “pundits” claim in due time. Good luck with your LG delivery.
 
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