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Hi, having been using a 27" iMac for the past 9 years I'm about to take the plunge on a M4 Mac mini using the student deal. Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS from and if so which would you recommend? I saw that the 512GB's HD runs faster than the 256GB but if using an external HD would make much difference would it?

In terms of a monitor I have ben spoilt by the quality of the 5K Retina display on the iMac but can't afford the overpriced Apple Studio Display so need something that will be sharp for text. Mainly using it for web design and Photoshop etc. 27" minimum, would consider a 32" but don't like curved screens. Any recommendations would be most welcome.
 
Hi, having been using a 27" iMac for the past 9 years I'm about to take the plunge on a M4 Mac mini using the student deal. Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS from and if so which would you recommend? I saw that the 512GB's HD runs faster than the 256GB but if using an external HD would make much difference would it?

In terms of a monitor I have ben spoilt by the quality of the 5K Retina display on the iMac but can't afford the overpriced Apple Studio Display so need something that will be sharp for text. Mainly using it for web design and Photoshop etc. 27" minimum, would consider a 32" but don't like curved screens. Any recommendations would be most welcome.
When I bought my M2 model I went for the base 256gb storage (16gb memory) - I already had a 1TB Toshiba DTH310 portable SSD so I use that for all my file storage and then went for a 2TB Samsung T7 portable SSD which I use as TimeMachine backup for both internal and external storage. The Mini's internal storage I just use for apps. So far it's working great for me. The 2TB Samsung T7 was about £155 when I bought it in 2023 - pretty nuts considering Apple charge £800 extra for 2TB internal. Looks like you can still get it for around that, for example Scan (£149.99), or Samsung do have student/youth discounts you could check. 👍
 
Hi, having been using a 27" iMac for the past 9 years I'm about to take the plunge on a M4 Mac mini using the student deal.

I'm about to order an M4 mini as well, replacing an M1 mini. I'll stick to the base configuration.

Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS from and if so which would you recommend?

I picked up an OWC 1M2 SSD enclosure and a WD SN770 1TB SSD during Black Friday sales. I've moved my home directory and most 3rd-party apps of the M1 mini to the external SSD and will use it with the M4 mini once it arrives. The OS is going to stay on the internal drive.

On the M1 mini the 1M2/SN770 is a bit faster than the internal 512GB SSD.

In terms of a monitor I have ben spoilt by the quality of the 5K Retina display on the iMac but can't afford the overpriced Apple Studio Display so need something that will be sharp for text.

No non-Retina (or non-HiDPI) display is going to be truly sharp for text. In that regard, the ASD isn't such a bad deal, if you stick to the regular stand (or Vesa mount). There is an LG monitor with a similar panel, it's plasticky and wobbly but quite a bit cheaper than the ASD.
 
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I'm about to order an M4 mini as well, replacing an M1 mini. I'll stick to the base configuration.



I picked up an OWC 1M2 SSD enclosure and a WD SN770 1TB SSD during Black Friday sales. I've moved my home directory and most 3rd-party apps of the M1 mini to the external SSD and will use it with the M4 mini once it arrives. The OS is going to stay on the internal drive.

On the M1 mini the 1M2/SN770 is a bit faster than the internal 512GB SSD.



No non-Retina (or non-HiDPI) display is going to be truly sharp for text. In that regard, the ASD isn't such a bad deal, if you stick to the regular stand (or Vesa mount). There is an LG monitor with a similar panel, it's plasticky and wobbly but quite a bit cheaper than the ASD.
Cheers, that's the thing with the monitor, I'd need to buy a webcam also and I hear the speaker are excellent on the ASD too so might bite the bullet.
 
"Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS"

NO !!
(shouting intentional)

Get AT LEAST 512gb.
1tb is BETTER. Yes, I know it costs $200 more to move from 512gb to 1tb. It's worth it.

You sound like you intend to keep it for a while -- at least 7-8 years.
If that's the case, get MORE THAN 16gb of RAM.
AT LEAST 24gb.

The needs of the OS are going to "grow" in the years ahead.
That means "more RAM will be needed".

If you go with the "base" and nothing more, I predict that within 2 years (maybe sooner), you will regret having done so.
 
I'd recommend the LG ultrafine 27" 5K, there's still many knocking about. I've got the 24" 4k which I bought used a couple years ago and its been excellent. With the 2 thunderbolt ports on the back, can even use one of them for the external SSD if you want it hidden behind the display and a port free on the mini.

Speakers are decent, webcam built into the 27" model as well.

I've seem this samsung 5k display available as well, not sure how good it is

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"Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS"

NO !!
(shouting intentional)

Get AT LEAST 512gb.
1tb is BETTER. Yes, I know it costs $200 more to move from 512gb to 1tb. It's worth it.

You sound like you intend to keep it for a while -- at least 7-8 years.
If that's the case, get MORE THAN 16gb of RAM.
AT LEAST 24gb.

The needs of the OS are going to "grow" in the years ahead.
That means "more RAM will be needed".

If you go with the "base" and nothing more, I predict that within 2 years (maybe sooner), you will regret having done so.
I’m going to shout back on this one - with the base model at £599 the suggested upgrades are more than the cost of a new base model.
Financially it may well make more sense to buy a new base model in 2/3 years time and get the benefits of new processor and tech rather than kit out one to the max now and try to stretch it out.
Keep the monitor long term and swap the mini
 
Thanks all, I had been eyeing up the education price via Totum as my daughter is at college but looks like that ended yesterday Sod’s Law. Do they usually come back around again (January sales etc)
 
Thanks all, I had been eyeing up the education price via Totum as my daughter is at college but looks like that ended yesterday Sod’s Law. Do they usually come back around again (January sales etc)
Apple's education store is always available - I don't know if Totum was a better offer but you can get a student discount via UNiDAYS. 👍
 
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Thanks, tried Unidays but it says her college isn’t included so I went for the 512GB for £643 delivered at Very using their 20% off first credit order. Arriving by 20th December it says so just down to the monitor now and if I go for the Apple Studio Display or not.
 
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I assume you know you need to get, or already have, a keyboard and mouse for it?

Seems you only upgraded the SSD and nothing else? You may need to disable Apple Intelligence as this is the reason that Apple increased the base memory requirement from 8 GB to 16 GB, as they need the memory to run their AI.
 
Yes, I’ll use my current Magic Mouse and Apple keyboard with number pad I use on my iMac. Will see how Apple Intelegence works to begin with, if it’s slowing things down and I don’t use any of it I can disable it. Will use internal SSD for apps etc and load my Dropbox files on my 2TB external HD
 
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I’m going to shout back on this one - with the base model at £599 the suggested upgrades are more than the cost of a new base model.
Financially it may well make more sense to buy a new base model in 2/3 years time and get the benefits of new processor and tech rather than kit out one to the max now and try to stretch it out.
Keep the monitor long term and swap the mini
Yes, I agree, can look at it in a few years. Had my iMac new in 2017 so lasted me 7 years fine and still running OK but lagging a bit and too many beachballs slowing me down and can’t upgrade MacOS and new version of Photoshop can’t do many AI functions as it needs Apple Silicon
 
Hi, having been using a 27" iMac for the past 9 years I'm about to take the plunge on a M4 Mac mini using the student deal. Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS from and if so which would you recommend? I saw that the 512GB's HD runs faster than the 256GB but if using an external HD would make much difference would it?

In terms of a monitor I have ben spoilt by the quality of the 5K Retina display on the iMac but can't afford the overpriced Apple Studio Display so need something that will be sharp for text. Mainly using it for web design and Photoshop etc. 27" minimum, would consider a 32" but don't like curved screens. Any recommendations would be most welcome.
Exactly the same situation for me, iMac 27” from 2017, 16 GB, in which I replaced the internal spinning disk with a 4TB SSD a while ago. Completely spoiled by the monitor and would not go to anything with lower ppi. I know, many would say 4K 27 are much cheaper and you have plenty of options, but I like the iMac display too much to go back.

I have been carefully considering the same change, Mac mini M4 + new screen (with integrated speaker and webcam, to keep the desk tidy) + external ssd. The Samsung viewfinity S9 is at 599 CHF instead of 1599 CHF on the official Samsung Swiss web site, taxes and shipping included. I would not pay the same price of an ASD, no way, but for the current price is a steal.

Yet… I like the iMac display too much, the computer hardware is on the limit for video conferencing and some times the fans go loud, but I mostly work with remote sessions on my office workstations and the part of the hardware I use the most is the screen, which is still fantastic.

So I have decided to postpone the upgrade for the moment. And maybe use the budget to upgrade my iPhone 11 Pro Max? Who knows what Santa Claus has in mind!
 
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"Thanks, tried Unidays but it says her college isn’t included so I went for the 512GB for £643 delivered at Very using their 20% off first credit order. Arriving by 20th December it says so just down to the monitor now and if I go for the Apple Studio Display or not."

Let me get this straight...
You scrimped on the Mini, but now you're willing to pay for the horribly over-priced Apple Studio Display? That's somewhat outmoded to boot...?
 
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The 24” iMac M4 with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD is £1699 so £649 plus £1348 (on education site) is £1991 for a 27” so £200 for the bigger screen. Yes no keyboard or mouse but I have those anyway. Can sell the 27” iMac to get some back towards it too.

What monitor would you go for instead then, bearing in mind I’m used to such a good quality screen?
 
Hi, having been using a 27" iMac for the past 9 years I'm about to take the plunge on a M4 Mac mini using the student deal. Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS from and if so which would you recommend? I saw that the 512GB's HD runs faster than the 256GB but if using an external HD would make much difference would it?

In terms of a monitor I have ben spoilt by the quality of the 5K Retina display on the iMac but can't afford the overpriced Apple Studio Display so need something that will be sharp for text. Mainly using it for web design and Photoshop etc. 27" minimum, would consider a 32" but don't like curved screens. Any recommendations would be most welcome.
It is an SSD not HDD, which means adequately fast externals via Thunderbolt. But no, do not run the Mac OS from an external drive unless you have some other really good reason. Let the OS run unimpeded on the internal drive; even the smallest base unit SSD will be big enough for the OS and normal apps including PS.

Recommendation #1: Do not waste money paying Apple's high mass storage prices because external SSDs via Thunderbolt [and good quality TB5 cables] work just fine. Use one or more relatively inexpensive external SSD(s) for files, backups, etc.

You state "Mainly using it for web design and Photoshop etc." PS and other images apps very much take advantage of RAM. For images apps RAM should be a primary consideration, actually much more important than CPU speed in my experience with PS since v1. RAM limitations of your current box may have a lot to do with the SBBOD and other slowdown anomalies that you are experiencing.

The rub of course is that the new base model Mac mini is a smoking hot bargain - - but the base model only comes with 16 GB of RAM (upgradable to to 32 GB of RAM for +$400). The Mac OS would of course make PS work under 16 GB RAM, but it would be sub-optimally constantly paging.

Most non-images workflows I would say just buy the 16 GB RAM and plan a shortened life cycle; letting Mac OS deal with the paging and the fast M4 chip deal with the extra clock cycles necessitated by the sub-optimal RAM. But not for PS and its ilk. My last MBP required replacement not because of the 7-year-old i7 chip, but because the 16 GB RAM became too limiting.

Recommendation #2: Do spend money paying Apple's high RAM prices to max out RAM to 32 GB, because RAM is not upgradable. Consider older minis, refurbs, etc. but do not cheap out on RAM with PS-type apps. Frankly the way PS and other image editing apps are going with use of RAM-hungry AI I consider 64 GB RAM or more much more appropriate moving forward, but that would require the overpriced/undervalued pro chip.

Your next likely step up would be to a Studio next year with 64 GB or preferably more RAM. IMO the pro chip M4 Mac minis are so pricey once they get loaded up that they become poor deals, and the jump to Studio will probably make sense [assuming we ever see new Studios...]. What you choose depends on your Mac life cycle expectations and whether or not it is used recreationally or as a primary money maker.

Recommendation Summary: Today the base Mac Mini upgraded to 32 GB RAM is the way to go.

Displays are very much a personal preference/workspace thing, and also how color-accurate your work needs to be. For the last decade I have found 4K Viewsonic displays to be good value for my needs. YMMV.
 
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get the base student model. for $499 I'm Able to do a solid graphic design and photography workflow with it. Just get a WD Black NVME drive for storage and put it in an acasis 40gb/s enclosure. Best storage can get for high speed and cheap up to 8tb. For a cheaper than studio display 5k monitor get the Samsung S9. it may still be on Black Friday sale if you order like now.
 
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Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I do have a base model M1 MacBook Air with 256GB HD and 8GB RAM and tweaking images on Photoshop hasn’t given me too much hassle so presuming the M4 with 16GB should hopefully see me ok. Mainly just crop and batch resize images with the odd bit of adding text over an image using PSD files so nothing majorly complex.

I do though, currently have 40GB RAM on the iMac so I may notice the difference so may be best to get one from Apple to test for a week or so and return it using their no quibble returns policy if I think I am going to need more RAM in the long run. Do plan to keep it for 5/6 years at least I would imagine.
 
get the base student model. for $499 I'm Able to do a solid graphic design and photography workflow with it. Just get a WD Black NVME drive for storage and put it in an acasis 40gb/s enclosure. Best storage can get for high speed and cheap up to 8tb. For a cheaper than studio display 5k monitor get the Samsung S9. it may still be on Black Friday sale if you order like now.
Exactly, get a WD SN770 or WD SN850X NVME in a ACASIS Case.
Either the Acasis TBU405 or the AIR Version (dammn Cheap with BF15 Code i ordert the second one now after using it with the WD SN770 2TB NVME as Boot Drive to proove it runs at my MBA M2) without USB3 compatibility.
Do Install MacOS on and Boot from it and all works Perfect.

Acasis TBU405 AIR direct connected to MBA M2 with the WD SN770 2TB System booted from:
(do not use the so called DFU Port, on the MacMini 2024 it is the middle one on the back. Use the Left or Right Back Thunderbolt Port.)

DiskSpeedTest.png


Internal MBA M2:

DiskSpeedTestMBA-M2-Intern.png
 
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Honestly I'd recommend just getting a 4K 27" display from a reputable brand.
They're cheap, and while they're certainly not as sharp as a 5K iMac, they're more than sharp enough. For most people, the Studio Display just isn't worth the money.
As for the Mac Mini itself, it sounds like you already made the purchase but, I'd say go for the base config. External storage is cheap, fast, and, unlike on a laptop, you can pretty much just plug it in and forget about it. As others have mentioned as soon as you start adding storage / ram, the price quickly balloons to the point that you may as well just save the money and upgrade a few years down the line.
 
I picked up a Mac mini base model for 499 at Costco. I bought couple of nvme m.2 8TB and enclosure to replace my old HDD backup. 8 TB with enclosure cost me 470 bucks. You can easily get an external 2 TB m.2 storage with enclosure for under 200. You could use the extra money for RAM if you want.
 
When I bought my M2 model I went for the base 256gb storage (16gb memory) - I already had a 1TB Toshiba DTH310 portable SSD so I use that for all my file storage and then went for a 2TB Samsung T7 portable SSD which I use as TimeMachine backup for both internal and external storage. The Mini's internal storage I just use for apps. So far it's working great for me. The 2TB Samsung T7 was about £155 when I bought it in 2023 - pretty nuts considering Apple charge £800 extra for 2TB internal. Looks like you can still get it for around that, for example Scan (£149.99), or Samsung do have student/youth discounts you could check. 👍
Good advice! I follow the same policy for years, too.
 
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Hi, having been using a 27" iMac for the past 9 years I'm about to take the plunge on a M4 Mac mini using the student deal. Do I go for the base 256GB and get an external HD to run Mac OS from and if so which would you recommend? I saw that the 512GB's HD runs faster than the 256GB but if using an external HD would make much difference would it?
In terms of a monitor I have ben spoilt by the quality of the 5K Retina display on the iMac but can't afford the overpriced Apple Studio Display so need something that will be sharp for text. Mainly using it for web design and Photoshop etc. 27" minimum, would consider a 32" but don't like curved screens. Any recommendations would be most welcome.
When choosing memory, the key factor is whether you're considering it as "VRAM" in your decision-making. If you're like me, an AI professional planning to deploy AI projects on this machine, then the 64GB memory (which also acts as VRAM) is an absolute must. Similarly, opting for a 14-core CPU and a 20-core GPU is equally important. If you go with the 20-core GPU, you’ll need to pair it with the 14-core CPU, not the 12-core.

If you think Apple's memory is overpriced, just compare it to the cost of Nvidia's VRAM, and you’ll realize how reasonable Apple's memory (VRAM) actually is.

As for the SSD, I think there’s a good chance that third-party, replaceable SSD modules for the Mac mini M4 will hit the market in the near future. The 2024 Mac mini M4 is one of the hottest topics globally, and the entry-level model is expected to see a lot of buyers. However, its 256GB SSD is likely to be an upgrade target for many users. Considering that engineers in Shenzhen’s Huaqiangbei district are already working on circuit boards, molds, and product testing, it’s only a matter of time before replacement options become available.
 
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As Mac user for 22 years and a MacMini user for the past 15 years, I now have an M4 with 512GB storage connected to an Apple Studio monitor. The combination is perfect for my requirements. My ‘old’ M2 MacMini runs my Roon server and Spam Sieve. I know the M2 Mini is hopelessly overpowered in that scenario, but given what I’d get for trade-in or private sale, and that I want to run those services on a headless device, it suits my purposes.

As far as external drives are concerned I use a Synology NAS with Nextcloud which gives me cloud storage, calendar and contact servers and many other services like Jellyfin, Vaultwarden, Floccus and OnlyOffice. For backups I use Time Machine on the NAS and also have an NVMe enclosure containing a 512GB drive, connected to the front for of the MacMini. There are issues when using hubs connected to the rear ports of the Mini with NVMe enclosures. I use Carbon Copy Cloner to do an automated nightly backup.
 
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