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DJMastaWes

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So, on another forum, I made a comment about macs and how good they are, and this guy replied with

You and DjWes (or whatever that kid's name is) know absolutely nothing about computers beyond what you read on the labels at the store. "LOL MY MAC g5 CUN HAV LEIK 16GB OF RAM, BUT I JST TINK ITZ C00l CUZ ITZ BIG NUMBER"

First off, 16 gb of ram has no practical use as of now and probably not for the next 6 years. Mac G5s are horrible compared to PCs for gaming since OSX has almost no game support, no support for crossfire or SLi, and no overclocking support. With no game support, OSX is completely worthless to a gamer. Now I know you are gonna reply with "LOL BUT THERZ BOOTCAMP NOW AND NOW I CAN RUN WINDOWZ."

Bootcamp only runs with the intel processors. Therefore, that narrows down gaming options with Macs to the iMac and Macbook (and pro). The iMac is essentially a laptop with a larger monitor and no integrated keyboard, so (as you may assume) it obviously lacks in high end performance. There is no support for full sized pci-e graphics cards, therefore leaving only laptop graphics cards to be interchanged with the stock 1600. However, I am unsure if there is even support for 3rd party laptop graphics cards for the iMac. Another issue with the iMac besides the dreaded lack of video card support, is the motherboards incompatibility with more than 2gb of ram.

Although 16gb of ram is completely useless beyond bragging rights, 2-4gb does have utility with gaming, which is afterall, what this is a comparison over. There also is no overclocking support or support for multiple graphics cards and the availability of better parts is limited (or none) and rather expensive. You can't buy a new processor or new motherboard to upgrade with macs. You have to buy a whole new rig. There is no option for upgrades to new technology as it comes out, you gotta dish out big money again to get a new computer with all the newest latest features. Also due to their compact nature, iMacs can't even have different (or extra) cd-rw or dvd-rw drives added.

Macs have no utility in the gaming industry... yet. What makes a gaming rig a gaming rig is the ability to expand to all the latest and greatest things and overall compatibility so all the new games work great on it. Macs strongly lack both of those aspects and no matter what you do to an iMac, it won't be a viable gaming system for those who enjoy lag-less gameplay in the latest titles. Mac, however, has done an excellent job to make their computers appeal to casual users and morons. They take very little maintanence and have everything that the average joe needs built into it. They have also made their newer computers (iMacs and Macbooks) look incredibly sleek and cool to help gain appeal, but they are in no way able to be usable as gaming rigs yet. Maybe the next series of full sized desktops Mac releases will do a better job to offer the best of both worlds, but as of now the G5 doesn't offer the software or hardware compatibility for components and the iMac doesn't offer the expandibility or power to make gaming possible.

I was woundering if anyone can creat a nice come back for that, I came up with...
Damn, I wish I could play games, I really do.

I didn’t buy my computer to pwn noobs at CS, I have a PC for that. I'm glad however you proved my point that PC users ONLY care about games. As 90% of your rant is about "Macs can't play games."

People don't spend $2000 on an apple computer so that they can play pointless fictional games. They purchase them to get work done.

Not only do we have boot camp, but also if that's not enough, you can use the virtualization parallels over boot camp if you wish. Which will play 100% of any windows game. And will run it better.

Let's compare monitors for gaming. Our 30" > ANY windows based company monitor. They stretch their things out of proportion, so the windows, the tool bar everything is just stretched and blurry. On the ACD everything is 100% normal size and not out of proportion.

The Mac is used to do PROFESSIONAL work. Perhaps you will learn that when you grow up. When you REALLY get into music and that type of industry, you will realize that you wish you had a Mac, not a machine to waste time playing games. I'm not saying games are always stupid. But I would NEVER by a computer that would play games, and not do pro work efficiently.

I have $6 000 in pro apps from apple. (90GB worth) and it's only 6 programs. DVD Studio Pro 4, Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, Final Cut Pro 5, Aperture & Logic Pro 7. I love them to death and I would like to see you run those on a PC.

So, because we can run anything windows can, Mac is better. A lot of professionals only buy Macs for that fact that all those programs are available for our OS. And then others buy them for there look, and others buy them because they are simple and the work.

Our OS LOOKS more professional then XP anyways. The blue and green start bar looks like a toy.

I have had my computer for 4 years, it only has 512 MB ram at 700MHz and my dad has had his Acer for 1 year, with 2GB ram at 2.0 GHz. His computer has had to be repaired 3 times, it's slower then mine and has already crashed before. Mine has not ONCE had a problem. It's never frozen up on me, never had to bring it in and it still runs well WITH all of those programs above, along with Adobe Creative Suite 2, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, Office 2004, iLife '06, iWork '06.

So all in all, when you want to grow up, and be serious get a Mac.

kthx4itbai.

Now let's keep this thread for the celebration of pbftw's banning. We can make a thread for this Mac Vs. Pc junk.

EDIT: Also, wait untill WWDC in 2 weeks. I'm sure there will be AMAZING new things annouced, as it was pushed bad 2 months for like the first time ever, so something is being worked on for sure.

But not 100% with it, as some thing are exagerated, and I would like everything to be 100% true, and well worded.

Thanks guys.
 
If you going to try and say Mac are better at gaming then PC, sorry but you wrong IMO. XP has more games simply put.. as for boot camp.. its not on high end macs(not on the PowerMac yet). Mac the hardware, it being able to boot in OS X, XP and Linux is nice but gamer like the upgrade side of PC hardware.

But really i have a friend who uses the IIG in the Mac Mini(on a Dell laptop) to game and its fine, so the MacBook Pro and iMac should be fine.


Link to that forum...also when your debating are you talking about Mac OS X the software or Mac the hardware?
 
People who say PC are better then macs and the reason is that PCs can play games. ANNOYS me so much. YOu have no idea, me and my friend have had a debate about macs fro the past year. I'll belike, mac came out with such and such, and hell belike macs suck, and then we start the debate again, its been on going.
 
Just do like I do. Tell everyone who doesn't know any better that Mac's suck ass. Then, see how they respond. If you get:

"Hell yeah, they do! There's not even a Start menu!" - These people should be shot. They are in no way ready to switch to Mac, and are incapable of understanding the benefits of OS X over XP regardless of how plain and simple you put it to them.

"Um, wait a tick. Didn't I see you with an Apple computer the other day?" - This just warrants a blank stare in their direction until they realize that you weren't being serious. At this point, the questions should pour in about why you didn't go on like most Mac users and try and make a switcher out of them.

But don't they run better than PC's? And crash a lot less? And are built with higher quality hardware? And aren't they more or less immune to viruses and all that crap that Windows user's get? And..." - Just smile and nod, then direct them to the nearest Apple Store. They are ripe. :)


I just find that it's easier not to waste my breath on some imbecile who can't wrap his thick skull around so much as the simple fact that just because Mac's are easier to use and require less user configuration to get the same job done doesn't mean they are for morons. It's called working smart, not working hard. Some just aren't ready to think for themselves, I guess. :rolleyes:
 
105.53 posts per day :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: anyways, some people (not you but i didnt read the whole thing) were treating him pretty terribly.

N3maN said:
Yeah... you suck at life too... Please crawl into a hole and die. You have no life, stop wasting my oxygen.

how could you say that to somebody? anyways, he got banned apparently. i hope you didnt tell him about macrumors....
 
LoL, yes yes, he is teh suck.

Forget him. Macs game fine. You wouldn't get a gaming-optimized Mac because that would be impossible, but you can get a Mac that's great for gaming.

And yes, you can make upgrades to the processors, including the Intel iMacs (I and Mini (I believe). You can't do CPU upgrades on a MacBook or MBP, but you can on an iMac. You can't upgrade the graphics card, but the ATI X1600 with 256MB of vRAM available in the iMac is good for gaming.

And once the Intel PowerMacs come out, then will he admit that a great Mac gaming machine can be built? I mean, that's what we're talking about when it comes to building gaming machines, after all. We shouldn't be talking about old technology unless your discussion was about upgrading old machines to become gaming machines. Then he'd have a point. A new Intel PowerMac/Mac Pro/Whatever would likely be as good as anything else out there.


And Macs aren't built for idiots. Smart people who don't want to worry about virii use them. We chose a product that doesn't suck and doesn't have to be maintained as much. Sounds like the smart choice to me....
 
"I didn’t buy my computer to pwn noobs at CS, I have a PC for that. I'm glad however you proved my point that PC users ONLY care about games. As 90% of your rant is about "Macs can't play games."

People don't spend $2000 on an apple computer so that they can play pointless fictional games. They purchase them to get work done.

Not only do we have boot camp, but also if that's not enough, you can use the virtualization parallels over boot camp if you wish. Which will play 100% of any windows game. And will run it better.

Let's compare monitors for gaming. Our 30" > ANY windows based company monitor. They stretch their things out of proportion, so the windows, the tool bar everything is just stretched and blurry. On the ACD everything is 100% normal size and not out of proportion.

The Mac is used to do PROFESSIONAL work. Perhaps you will learn that when you grow up. When you REALLY get into music and that type of industry, you will realize that you wish you had a Mac, not a machine to waste time playing games. I'm not saying games are always stupid. But I would NEVER by a computer that would play games, and not do pro work efficiently."

DJMastaWes,

You basically got the argument there. You can add that you dont judge a computer on how it will play games, but on how efficiently and easily it can help you perform your work or gain information.
 
He came up with this

Damn, I wish I could play games, I really do.

I didn’t buy my computer to pwn noobs at CS, I have a PC for that. I'm glad however you proved my point that PC users ONLY care about games. As 90% of your rant is about "Macs can't play games."

People don't spend $2000 on an apple computer so that they can play pointless fictional games. They purchase them to get work done.


The entire arguement was about how the kid could raise his fps for games. Hence completely nullifying most of your lame arguement.
But I will continue on and critisize the rest of your post.

Not only do we have boot camp, but also if that's not enough, you can use the virtualization parallels over boot camp if you wish. Which will play 100% of any windows game. And will run it better.


If you had read my entire post instead of skimming the first couple of sentences, you would've realised that no mac that bootcamp is compatible with can run games anywhere close to as well as a PC made for gaming. The fact that the only apples that are compatible with bootcamp have either integrated or low-end graphics cards renders your claim false.

Let's compare monitors for gaming. Our 30" > ANY windows based company monitor. They stretch their things out of proportion, so the windows, the tool bar everything is just stretched and blurry. On the ACD everything is 100% normal size and not out of proportion.


LOL. All monitors are compatible with one another. They all use either DVI or VGA connections. There is no difference between an Apple monitor and a "windows" monitor with similar specs, besides the jacked up price of an apple for the name.

The Mac is used to do PROFESSIONAL work. Perhaps you will learn that when you grow up. When you REALLY get into music and that type of industry, you will realize that you wish you had a Mac, not a machine to waste time playing games. I'm not saying games are always stupid. But I would NEVER by a computer that would play games, and not do pro work efficiently.

When I grow up? Haven't you said in some other threads you are 14? Last time I checked, 14 years old isn't grown up and is barely even teenaged. I'm sure you are by no means professional nor doing professional work so you are basically just making that statement based on media. Null arguement from your position tbh.

Anyways, a gaming rig is made for pure power. That same power that is advertised in "pro" computers for "pro" work. If you are that stupid to think that computer hardware is gaming/"pro" work/ casual, you completely have ruined any credibility you had. A computer with tons of power marketed for gaming can do "pro" work just as well as a similar computer marketed for "pro" work. They both have tons of processing and graphics processing power to be suitable for both situations.
Basically: A computer that is made for gaming can easily run "pro" software extremely well

I have $6 000 in pro apps from apple. (90GB worth) and it's only 6 programs. DVD Studio Pro 4, Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, Final Cut Pro 5, Aperture & Logic Pro 7. I love them to death and I would like to see you run those on a PC.

I am not familiar with these programs because I don't care to edit media, but if they are compatible with PCs, then an equally powered PC run them just the same as your Mac. An equally priced PC will run it better since you get a lot more power for the money with a PC if you build it yourself.

So, because we can run anything windows can, Mac is better. A lot of professionals only buy Macs for that fact that all those programs are available for our OS. And then others buy them for there look, and others buy them because they are simple and the work.

My previous statements provide a suitable rebuttal to this. Pretty much an equal powered PC will run the program exactly the same as long as you are not a ****ing ******* and know how to keep your computer clean of crap.

The only true difference that causes such a difference in performance of PCs and Macs is that Macs are less prone to viruses due to the fact most viruses/spyware/adware are programmed to work with Windows and not OSX. Load up bootcamp and Windows, go on the internet unprotected, surf for porn, and you will find your beloved Mac is slow as the average idiot's unprotected PC.

[quote/]Our OS LOOKS more professional then XP anyways. The blue and green start bar looks like a toy.[/quote]

Purely opinion, null. Also since it is very easily to modify the interface of Windows, then your distaste is matched with equal lasiness to change it.

I have had my computer for 4 years, it only has 512 MB ram at 700MHz and my dad has had his Acer for 1 year, with 2GB ram at 2.0 GHz. His computer has had to be repaired 3 times, it's slower then mine and has already crashed before. Mine has not ONCE had a problem. It's never frozen up on me, never had to bring it in and it still runs well WITH all of those programs above, along with Adobe Creative Suite 2, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, Office 2004, iLife '06, iWork '06.

So all in all, when you want to grow up, and be serious get a Mac.

kthx4itbai


Again, my previous statements provide a suitable rebuttal for this too. Also, I should mention that Acer is generally a poor company to being with. They cut corners when making components and when they build computers. Your dad ****ed up by buying the computer in the first place. He should've done his research and found that Acer makes terrible quality products.
 
Look, lets just end this thread now and save yourself the embarrassment. He'll win this argument because he is mostly right.

If you want to argue that Macs can't be gaming machines, then you do have an argument, but only after the new Intel Mac pro desktop towers are released. Until then, don't embarrass yourself. I tried to say this last time.

The only time he's wrong is when he stops talking about performance and goes on about other things, which isn't often, nor is it important. I mean, he talks about people not putting in enough effort into changing the interface for WinXP if they don't like it. Why should I? OSX is given to you as a good product, while WinXP has to be changed. A lot.
 
Abstract said:
Look, lets just end this thread now and save yourself the embarrassment. He'll win this argument because he is mostly right.

If you want to argue that Macs can't be gaming machines, then you do have an argument, but only after the new Intel Mac pro desktop towers are released. Until then, don't embarrass yourself. I tried to say this last time.

The only time he's wrong is when he stops talking about performance and goes on about other things, which isn't often, nor is it important. I mean, he talks about people not putting in enough effort into changing the interface for WinXP if they don't like it. Why should I? OSX is given to you as a good product, while WinXP has to be changed. A lot.
Yea, well i only replied to him about the me not being a proffesionl because i'm 14. I told him i do graphic design/web work at 15$ an hour and take images for sites at 10$ an hours, and i thanked him for underestimateing me.
 
PC's are unquestionably better at running viruses and spyware than macs. I wish our computers were good enough to do that.
 
I use my Mac to make money.
I use my PC to play games.

A pithy yet accurate response; the little troll deserves no more.
 
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