Pixinsight, but I've heard of people getting such temps playing games like WoW.What are you doing/using that taxes your system so much?
It's set to average RPM.Don’t worry about the temps. Seriously. Apple is one of those who favors audible comfort over aggressive cooling. In other words, they intend and expect the behavior.
With that said… Is that fan speed (i.e., I see 1001 RPM for the Main Fan in your screenshot) accurate, or am I misreading the app?
I just use Macs Fan Control, one of the options is to manually set the fan speed. I find that to be helpful those times when my temps are higher then I like.I'm hitting really high temps., I've TG Pro installed and looking for good configuration to keep the temperatures lower, don't really care about noise.
No, IMO Apple is not generally known for poor cooling. I have always owned Apple's top laptops used hard, and for the last 15 years I would strongly disagree with the statement: "Apple is known for poor cooling." My MBP (2011, 2016, 2022) fans seldom even kicked in, unless it was a hot work space and I was working images hard. And the fans are not offensive.It's set to average RPM.
Apple is known for poor cooling which results in throttling and lower life span.
I prefer loud Mac that doesn't throttle.
Apple prioritizes less noise over cooling.No, IMO Apple is not generally known for poor cooling.
I have no idea why so many of posters come in the defense of Apple computers and other devices. The reality of it is that the smaller, or thinner, or more compact the computer's case is, the more difficult cooling the electrical components inside of it becomes. Also, the electrical components' lifespans are reduced by extended periods of high temperature operation, regardless if the CPU is throttling or not. I am not making this up, you can look at it by yourself.
End yes, one can choose or to buy/to not buy any of the Apple devices since it is a personal choice, but at the same time- instead of coming to the defense of the computer maker-be it Apple or not- why not trying to assist the OP with answers that may serve as "solutions" to a problem?
Just look at all the posts about Mac computers' cooling, or how to keep them clean or free of dust, or about the amount of power available at each port on the bus, and so on. People don't ask such question just because they are "quite peachy" about their computers. A computer is not a frying pan in which one can fry and egg![]()
You are correct about some components handling higher temperatures for extended durations while others don't. But that is not what I have referred to in my previous post. Regardless of which components inside a computer or any electrical device, the temperatures that are the most detrimental to the components lifespan are the high temperatures in its operating range, regardless of operating time. For example high temperatures for short periods of time, or high temperatures for extended periods of time. Both reduce the component's lifespan, although long duration is the worst. By the way, the same principle applies to all computers, not just Apple's.There are no "one size fits all" set of rules for thermals. Some components can easily handle higher temperatures for extended durations, while others can barely anything above 80C. The M4 seems to fall into the first category given how the internal fan curves were set by Apple. Keep in mind that the 100-105C temps being seen with M4 are well above the TJMax of both Intel and AMD flagship CPUs (e.g. Intel Core 14900K, Ryzen 9 9950X3D, etc.), all of which would have throttled down between the 90-95C mark. So there is clearly something different regarding the M4 design or construction which allows for higher temps under load before throttling.
Stop coping, seriously.No, IMO Apple is not generally known for poor cooling. I have always owned Apple's top laptops used hard, and for the last 15 years I would strongly disagree with the statement: "Apple is known for poor cooling." My MBP (2011, 2016, 2022) fans seldom even kicked in, unless it was a hot work space and I was working images hard. And the fans are not offensive.
Yes the lowest end Macs can be forced to throttle due to heat when they are worked over-hard for what they are. But that is just what happens when one overdrives a lowest end Mac to attempt the tasks that higher end Macs are engineered to do. If one's Mini throttles, get a Studio; if one's MBA throttles, get a MBP. For LLMs get an M3 Studio Ultra with 500 GB RAM.
I'm surprised there is no product yet that would improve temperatures. Some mod that would push air in at the front.How about a Home Project for cooling? A insulated cooler, an aquarium pump, a AC “box” fan, and some plastic or copper hose.
Their are a number of “Cooling Fans” for the MAX Mini on Amazon. OR search for Table Top Freezers. (get a frost free model) A little thought and this would be easy to modify (cable routing).I'm surprised there is no product yet that would improve temperatures. Some mod that would push air in at the front.
I can only see some junk 3D printed ones with a fan at the bottom, I think they might mess with the circulation and push hot air back inside.Their are a number of “Cooling Fans” for the MAX Mini on Amazon. OR search for Table Top Freezers. (get a frost free model) A little thought and this would be easy to modify (cable routing).