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MKBHD Full Review

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So it is a pretty decent review, I think he addresses most of the negatives and positives of the product. I don't necessarily agree with the prediction that in order to make it cheaper, Apple will get rid of EyeSight. That seems to be a popular theory on how to lower the price of it. I feel like it is a lowest common denominator feature and would be antithetical to what Apple is trying to accomplish at some point in the future but I guess we will see there.

Anyways for those that are interested, pretty through, and goes over a lot of the negatives and positives I've also heard on here, mainly that the technology hasn't quite caught up to what Apple is selling it as.
 
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I think Marques is extremely optimistic in his take but the take’s underlying basis is right: the idea outstrips the tech of today and therefore it is difficult to recommend to most people. That’s not a new story for technology. The question for me is whether the idea is something society will accept and build demand for or not.
 
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Rivanov said:
I know. The Verge was the only outlet that mentions it. But everyone could have mentioned it after all their hands-on impressions earlier in the last months.
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They wouldn't tell the truth because they are paid shills. They are basically "contractors" working for the Apple marketing department.

I don't have proof, but Apple probably gives them a list of talking points they need to talk about.
 
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Zest28 said:
They wouldn't tell the truth because they are paid shills. They are basically "contractors" working for the Apple marketing department.

I don't have proof, but Apple probably gives them a list of talking points they need to talk about.
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Not going to lie but Nilay Patel would probably slap you for saying such things. Verge is a stand up publication.
 
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The review is spot on in my opinion and is exactly what I've experienced myself. The FOV is narrow in the sense that it feels like you are wearing goggles. The passthrough works for the most part very well, but you do see some grain. The headset is front heavy, but you can use the dual loop for much more comfort. Using the macbook pro through the vision pro is an amazing perk. Beyond that, spatial video is an incredible experience that is the best device I've personally used to relive memories of a video and the speakers sound amazing on the device. This device is the beginning of something big for Apple, but its clear the technology still has a ways to go before it reaches its potential.
 
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They will never remove Eyesight, weird that he mentions that. It's clear that he doesn't understand Apple
 
I haven't tried it yet, but the fact that it has flaws seems obvious to me. Indeed we should be amazed (in a good way) at the level reached by this incredible device in its first generation!
 
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Rivanov said:
I know. The Verge was the only outlet that mentions it. But everyone could have mentioned it after all their hands-on impressions earlier in the last months.
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It's been obvious that the FOV wasn't class leading since the day it was announced. The lenses are obviously smaller than those in most competing headsets. There was even a 3D model of the headset downloadable from the Apple website on the day it was announced.
 
Zest28 said:
They wouldn't tell the truth because they are paid shills. They are basically "contractors" working for the Apple marketing department.

I don't have proof, but Apple probably gives them a list of talking points they need to talk about.
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Completly false

apple don't need to pay people for anything. Their sales and marketing impact speaks for itself.
 
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okieoutwest said:
I think Marques is extremely optimistic in his take but the take’s underlying basis is right: the idea outstrips the tech of today and therefore it is difficult to recommend to most people. That’s not a new story for technology. The question for me is whether the idea is something society will accept and build demand for or not.
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I think he just want to pass on his own enthusiasm without sounding too snarky. I didn’t see it as too optimistic. I think he did a good job labelling it clearly as a first gen product with the accompanying challenges.
 
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Rivanov said:
Funny that reviewers AFTER release are starting to mention the narrow FOV…
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Almost like they are part of the "don't screw up people pre-ordering and buying" plan

...and none of them wants to go out on their own limb first and say too much too critical of Apple

It's laughable -- like hilarious -- that we call any of them "reviewers"

They are running ADs, not doing reviews
 
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Zest28 said:
They wouldn't tell the truth because they are paid shills. They are basically "contractors" working for the Apple marketing department.

I don't have proof, but Apple probably gives them a list of talking points they need to talk about.
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Don't have proof, but making a statement as if you knew what you were talking about. I love the internet 😂
 
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Received mine on Friday (like many of you) and so far loving it. Definitely some hardware limitations and also bugs that need to be addressed via software updates (like settings app sometimes disappearing and not re-opening until you force quit). But the more I use it the more I seem to like it.
With that said, eyesight is completely pointless and this device would be just as great or better without it. My wife sees my eyes, sure, but it's not like we're having some special connection we wouldn't have otherwise. I would gladly part with this feature in exchange for better battery life, a lighter device, and a lower price point.
 
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soulreaver99 said:
Don't have proof, but making a statement as if you knew what you were talking about. I love the internet 😂
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When something happens often enough it can then become a kind of 'standard' and in this case there are lots and lots of videos on youtube of content creators making videos telling their viewers why they will not review/promote/endorse a product and the main reasons being that a) they are told what to say as is specific use of words to describe the product b) they are told to say the product is good even if the content creator thinks/believes the product to be bad, c) they are not allowed to be negative about the product and d) all of this is protected behind a NDA they are required to sign.

A very good example is a tech youtuber I watch, LinxuTech tips and over the years he has made video's explaining why he is no longer allowed to show/use certain tech products on his channel because he has given negative reviews of products when he was not supposed to which has meant certain tech suppliers have now refused to work with him. A lot of the stuff he reviews he has to personally buy now because many tech companies will not give him their products to review.

Therefore I have no doubt Apple has told reviewers of the VP a check sheet on what they can and cannot say in their review videos.
 
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Received mine on Friday (like many of you) and so far loving it. Definitely some hardware limitations and also bugs that need to be addressed via software updates (like settings app sometimes disappearing and not re-opening until you force quit). But the more I use it the more I seem to like it.
With that said, eyesight is completely pointless and this device would be just as great or better without it. My wife sees my eyes, sure, but it's not like we're having some special connection we wouldn't have otherwise. I would gladly part with this feature in exchange for better battery life, a lighter device, and a lower price point.
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I don’t have mine yet, but Eyesight is a feature I don’t myself ever using or needing. First off, if I’m around other people I won’t be wearing the device — I would rather use the opportunity to engage with them in person. So I would only use the device when I’m by myself, working on something, in a hotel or airplane, or in an office. These are scenarios where Eyesight wouldn’t make any difference. Even if I were around others, it sounds like Eyesight doesn’t make much of a difference. So I’m not seeing the point of it, unless Apple has plans to display other information down the road.
 
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laptech said:
Therefore I have no doubt Apple has told reviewers of the VP a check sheet on what they can and cannot say in their review videos.
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If that were really the case, an outlet like the Verge would report on it and it would be a big scandal and Apple would be made fun of for that in perpetuity. It would leak out.

I have no doubt you are wrong.

Edit: that's not to say there are zero restrictions. I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to do a drop test with loaner hardware. Also, they had to keep their usage of the hardware discreet, so they may not have been able to test some real world use cases, like using it on an airplane.
 
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Jony Ive said:
At all. You should listen to Tim Cook speaking about Eyesight, is one of the most important things for them so they'll never remove it.
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They stress it because it’s one of the things that distinguishes the AVP from other VR headsets. I wouldn’t be surprised if they drop it in a couple of years or for a downmarket model if it turns out that people don’t find EyeSight that great or useful. Users mostly don’t seem to be impressed by it at this point.
 
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