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Let’s say I reported a post for advocating violence, and the moderators felt no action was required.

The forum rules prohibit threats... rule 3 under instantly bannable offenses: “Threats. Any threat or intimation of a threat.”

If the post wasn’t considered a threat, then perhaps we need a specific rule banning advocation of violence? Or is it only threats aimed at another forum member?
 
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I reported a post for advocating violence. The moderators felt no action was required.



If you‘re not familiar with the movie Predator, the reference is to a Gatling gun that fires over 2,000 rounds per minute. Firing that into a crowd of protesters would literally be mass murder.

The forum rules prohibit threats... rule 3 under instantly bannable offenses: “Threats. Any threat or intimation of a threat.”

If this isn’t considered a threat, then perhaps we need a specific rule banning advocation of violence.

These type of comments have no place in any civilized discussion.

1) You’ll do yourself no favors posting PRSI copied comments here
2) Use the contact us page to request a second opinion. I did recently and they re-evaluated the mod decision - so it is possible.
 
1) You’ll do yourself no favors posting PRSI copied comments here
2) Use the contact us page to request a second opinion. I did recently and they re-evaluated the mod decision - so it is possible.

Perhaps we need a place within PRSI to discuss forum feedback... I think the context of the actual call for violence was necessary to make the point. I’ve deleted it for now per your recommendation.
 
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I reported a post for advocating violence. The moderators felt no action was required.

The forum rules prohibit threats... rule 3 under instantly bannable offenses: “Threats. Any threat or intimation of a threat.”

If this isn’t considered a threat, then perhaps we need a specific rule banning advocation of violence.

These type of comments have no place in any civilized discussion.

I'm confused as to where the statement is advocating violence.

It is reckless, however, and might give someone else ideas.
 
Dumb question, but if the mods have decided a post doesn't warrant action, what's wrong with copying that post here?
Mod action discussion about a specific report is against the rules. And copying a post from another member about this could be seen as a call-out, which is also against the rules. Best to use the form and ask for clarity or a second opinion.
 
I'm confused as to where the statement is advocating violence.

It is reckless, however, and might give someone else ideas.

I hid the post since it shouldn’t be seen by anybody, but especially outside the PRSI forums. But let’s tackle the underlying question. Is calling for violence against a group of people allowed in the forums?
 
I read it before you took it down and I didn't see any problem either.

IMHO, there is a difference between:

"I say the army should go in there and blast 'em all." (that is suggesting a course of action is ok with you personally or that is a course of action you would suggest, it is not direct)

and

"I'm going to go in there and blast 'em all." (this could be considered a direct threat as you are stating this is what you are going to do)

Perhaps if the mods felt there was no problem then the problem is with you or how high your bar of interrpretation is?
 
Mod action discussion about a specific report is against the rules. And copying a post from another member about this could be seen as a call-out, which is also against the rules. Best to use the form and ask for clarity or a second opinion.

Thanks. Seems odd to restrict the ability to discuss someone's public comments when the post is there for the world to see already, but I suppose in the wrong context it could be used as a form of bullying...
 
I read it before you took it down and I didn't see any problem either.

IMHO, there is a difference between:

"I say the army should go in there and blast 'em all." (that is suggesting a course of action is ok with you personally or that is the course of action you would suggest, it is not direct)

and

"I'm going to go in there and blast 'em all." (this could be considered a direct threat as you are stating this is what you are going to do)

Perhaps is the mods felt there was no problem then the problem is with you or how high your bar of interrpretation is?

I see the difference. I don’t think either comment belongs on the forum though. Could your army example be considered the intimation of a threat?
 
Thanks. Seems odd to restrict the ability to discuss someone's public comments when the post is there for the world to see already, but I suppose in the wrong context it could be used as a form of bullying...
If I remember correctly, comments about a specific mod ruling can only be discussed publicly by the forum members involved (re: having mod action taken against him or her). And said forum members must first make an official request to the admins to have their moderation history for that event known and posted for all to see.
 
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I see the difference. I don’t think either comment belongs on the forum though. Could your army example be considered the intimation of a threat?

It seems to me that instead of challenging that users post with better ideas you just want them cancelled via a fairly weak argument about the rules and how they should be interpreted/applied.
 
It seems to me that instead of challenging that users post with better ideas you just want them cancelled via a fairly weak argument about the rules and how they should be interpreted/applied.

Another famous platform (the one with the little birdie) has blocked such language, famously from the President. I would hope this forum would be at least as (and hopefully more) civil than that platform.
 
Another famous platform (the one with the little birdie) has blocked such language, famously from the President. I would hope this forum would be at least as (and hopefully more) civil than that platform.

Now that's not really apples to apples is it? (I don't believe they blocked it, they tagged it)

POTUS is one of the few people who probably shouldn't say "I say the army should go in there and blast 'em all." because he has the power to order that action. It still isn't a direct threat but I could see the concern. A direct threat would be "I'm going to send the army in there to blast 'em all." I'd love to see Jack order that post taken down.

You on the other hand want a post removed by a random member of a random tech forum because your sensitivity is apparently higher than the average person. Again if the mods come back with "no issue" than as an agent of this site there is no issue as far as this site is concerned and you just may have to live with it.
 
Now that's not really apples to apples is it? (I don't believe they blocked it, they tagged it)

POTUS is one of the few people who probably shouldn't say "I say the army should go in there and blast 'em all." because he has the power to order that action. It still isn't a direct threat but I could see the concern. A direct threat would be "I'm going to send the army in there to blast 'em all." I'd love to see Jack order that post taken down.

You on the other hand want a post removed by a random member of a random tech forum because your sensitivity is apparently higher than the average person. Again if the mods come back with "no issue" than as an agent of this site there is no issue as far as this site is concerned and you just may have to live with it.

I don’t believe you’re qualified to determine the level of my sensitivity. I am just trying to figure out what constitutes a threat or not on the forum. Perhaps I’ll get an answer or perhaps the keeping of the comment is the answer.
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First guy advocates for a show of force to stop violent rioters. Second guy says first guy was advocating for mass murder of innocent protestors. Is there any hope for rational debate these days?

That is a mischaracterization of the situation - feel free to discuss it further within that thread if you like, but we cannot discuss the specifics here if I understand the rules correctly... which maybe I don’t.
 
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Discussing politics in this forum is against the rules. Give the mods time to review the contact form request. They will get back with you, Matt.

I don’t think it will be wise for people to get into a debate about what constitutes X or Y, especially on a thread started about a mod action report.

That is my 2 cents.

Don’t be surprised if the mods come in here and do some clean up and issue warnings.
 
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Discussing politics in this forum is against the rules. Give the mods time to review the contact form request. They will get back with you, Matt.

I don’t think it will be wise for people to get into a debate about what constitutes X or Y, especially on a thread started about a mod action report.

That is my 2 cents.

Don’t be surprised if the mods come in here and do some clean up and issue warnings.

Thanks, I will adjust my OP to avoid any implication of anybody in particular, and present it as a general inquiry.
 
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I hid the post since it shouldn’t be seen by anybody, but especially outside the PRSI forums. But let’s tackle the underlying question. Is calling for violence against a group of people allowed in the forums?

If the second post in this thread still has the offending statement, then I read what was concerning to you.

As far as I know, a direct call for violence is not permitted. Talking more generally can still be questionable, but is up to moderators to decide. We often consulted each other, when I was active.

It's always good to contact moderators, if you don't understand why something was resolved.
 
I'll expound on @maflynn's correct response above. There are two technical issues here:
  1. Asking the administrators why the moderators deemed that no action was necessary on a reported post. @SuperMatt you have already submitted a contact message about this issue, and you will get a response. Sending a contact was exactly the right thing to do in that case - we always review moderation when a question is raised, and send an answer. Discussion can take several days, since the staff is located around the globe, but we take this stuff seriously and you will get an answer.
  2. What can be discussed in this section, Site and Forum Feedback. Here, we welcome site feedback, including general discussions of the rules and moderation. Specific violations that have been posted can never be discussion here. As to posts where no moderation has been done, I think it's a good idea not to discuss these posts here, for two reasons:
  • A contact has already - and appropriately - been submitted.
  • It can be uncomfortable for the user who created the post to see the post taken out of thread and held up for public discussion.
  • Upon review, it can turn out that there was in fact a violation that we didn't see the first time around. When we then moderate the post, it's no longer allowed to discuss it here.
So my advice in cases like this would be - out of respect to fellow MR members - not to bring up a specific post, but rather to ask the question generally. For example: are threats of violence allowed on MacRumors?

The short answer is no. But that statement needs to be modified:

It's never acceptable to threaten violence against another forum user, or even imply that you or others will or should incur violence against a forum user. That one is clear.

So what about a general or more vague incitement to or suggestion of violence, not necessarily to another forum user or any specific person or group? It's not going to be clear, and that's because of context. In many cases I'm able to imagine, those would likely not be acceptable, but those statements need to be addressed on a case-by-case basis.

In general, we strive to allow users as broad a range of expression as possible, within guidelines of civility. Again, speaking generally, I would describe our approach as an "as much as necessary but as little as possible" policy. Speaking more specifically, when confronted with a post where violence is mentioned in a way that can be considered questionable, we will strive to moderate anything that can be seen to be a true threat or or incitement to violence, but also strive to only limit user expression when we truly feel it needs to be done.

I can also mention that we can't - and don't - try to take into consideration whether or not a user was joking or meant the comment to be tongue-in-cheek. We can't read minds, and have to take posts at face value. This is especially important where violence is concerned.

That said, we are human, so of course 1) we can make mistakes! Hence, the necessitiy of the review system, and 2) it's a given that not all users will agree with our decisions.

I hope this clears up any confusion about where to get answers to questions about specific moderation decisions and what can be discussed here, as well as giving more insight into how we view these situations.
 
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