Moon Hoaxers: What will you say when we go back?

[MrCheeto]

Had an interesting encounter today with a guy that shares an employer with me.

He won't be convinced that the Apollo program is real even if the Artemis program goes through.

I understand why people choose to deny it happened. There are people that even doubt the Space Tesla Roadster crap so I know anything and everything is subject to denial claims. That's why I'm curious if there will be any reasonable logical response to all of the evidence that will come from a new lunar exploration program. Will that finally convince you? Will you have to go there yourself? Would you turn down an opportunity to visit the moon for fears that the "guvurn mint" would just Total Recall you so you think you went and really didn't?

So to all the people that clutch onto the "why haven't we gone back?" argument: what will you say?

 

[russell_314]

Why are people so obsessed with convincing others about something? I think that’s a very destructive human trait in the sense of it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

People somehow get great satisfaction in convincing others of something or anything. A big thing in this group is iPhones/ android is better and people spend hours trying to convince others of that.

The problem with the moon landing as it happened before many people were born. It’s not like they were able to see it live on TV and the version we have is some grainy video. I think it’s a bit easier to argue that it was faked because it’s not like you’re arguing something that can be easily disproven like the world is flat. You’re just arguing that a government decided to deceive its citizens for propaganda purposes. I don’t believe that it was fake because I have no reason to believe that and it really doesn’t matter either way.

My main point is some people still believe the world is flat, and that can be disproven easily, but it’s going to be much harder to convince people of something like the moon landing, where it’s just an event so more difficult to prove that an event took place.

 

[Rafterman]

There are already satellite photos of the landing sites on the moon, including the lunar lander and even astronut footprints and rover tracks visible. Denying the moon landing today is just plain stupid. Anyone who still does won't believe we went back anyways.

 

[MrCheeto]

Not trying to convince anybody either way. I just want to know what sort of plans they have if the moon programs ramp up again.

It was believed that satellite photography would do away with hollow earthers in the 60's. It didn't.

some people still believe the world is flat, and that can be disproven easily

I look forward to hearing your points.

 

[Rafterman]

Why are people so obsessed with convincing others about something? I think that’s a very destructive human trait in the sense of it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

People somehow get great satisfaction in convincing others of something or anything. A big thing in this group is iPhones/ android is better and people spend hours trying to convince others of that.

The problem with the moon landing as it happened before many people were born. It’s not like they were able to see it live on TV and the version we have is some grainy video. I think it’s a bit easier to argue that it was faked because it’s not like you’re arguing something that can be easily disproven like the world is flat. You’re just arguing that a government decided to deceive its citizens for propaganda purposes. I don’t believe that it was fake because I have no reason to believe that and it really doesn’t matter either way.

My main point is some people still believe the world is flat, and that can be disproven easily, but it’s going to be much harder to convince people of something like the moon landing, where it’s just an event so more difficult to prove that an event took place.

There's 6 billion years of history I didn't see personally. I'm not going to humor the idiots in our society.

Ignorance needs to be challenged.

 

[russell_314]

Not trying to convince anybody either way. I just want to know what sort of plans they have if the moon programs ramp up again.

It was believed that satellite photography would do away with hollow earthers in the 60's. It didn't.



I look forward to hearing your points.

I don’t think the world is flat. I was just saying it could be disproven, even without the government telling you. It’s not something that you just have to trust the government because there’s private satellites.

 

[MrCheeto]

I was just saying it could be disproven

Your fatal flaw is trusting people to be reasonable.

 

[russell_314]

There's 6 billion years of history I didn't see personally. I'm not going to humor the idiots in our society.

Ignorance needs to be challenged.

Your post is a bit confusing. At first you say you’re not going to humor what you consider idiots and then you said they need to be challenged. Normally when people say they’re not going to humor something that means they are not going to even bother with it.

Usually I’ll just say what I think if I feel it’s appropriate, but if someone wants to believe different then I’m like, cool man you do you.

 

[russell_314]

Your fatal flaw is trusting people to be reasonable.

Well, I guess that depends on what you feel is reasonable. Some people feel it’s not reasonable for someone to disagree with them. “I’m right and you’re wrong so that’s that” 😂

Also, people meaning everyone is a large and diverse group of things. there is so much variance there. You can’t predict any kind of response or understanding. It’s kind of like sticking your hand in a cage with a random dog. You might get your hand licked or chewed off depending on the dog. I’m not saying people are dogs, but just none of them are the same.

 

[Rafterman]

Your post is a bit confusing. At first you say you’re not going to humor what you consider idiots and then you said they need to be challenged. Normally when people say they’re not going to humor something that means they are not going to even bother with it.

Usually I’ll just say what I think if I feel it’s appropriate, but if someone wants to believe different then I’m like, cool man you do you.

I'm not going to humor them by ignoring them and letting them get away with ignoring reality.

 

[MrCheeto]

It’s always the control freaks that think they’re the most reasonable.

When people act so mightily wise and perfect, it just makes you wonder why they sleep on an air mattress and let their clothes pile up on the floor. Then I want to ask if their DUI’s, paltry grammar or cat-ravaged dwelling was actually intentional like an esoteric expert-play. Maybe that’s the secret to happiness and I’m just not wise enough to wrap my head around such profundity.

 

[satcomer]

II find even in so-called learned times you guys still had deal with what we call trolling! I feel you you older scientists you had deal with Childs playtime in past! The bus Gen X guys safe then rise on PC Vs Mac fights all over message boards! At my age it seem the old saying "Don't feed the Troll" is even more true in.the modern Wild West of Social Media!

 

[myscrnnm]

Even disregarding the wealth of scientific proof of humans having been to the Moon (including the laser ranging retroreflectors that anyone on Earth can point a laser at), there's one huge reason that the lunar landings weren't faked, and it's the fact that the USSR never disputed that America had successfully landed on the Moon. The USSR had beat us in putting a satellite in orbit, putting a man in space, and putting a lander on the Moon, it was the only other entity that had any knowledge and capability anywhere close to ours in being able to put humans on the lunar surface, and it had the most to lose in conceding that the United States had beat them to the Moon, and yet the Soviets never doubted that America had successfully landed on the Moon.

 

[decafjava]

Even disregarding the wealth of scientific proof of humans having been to the Moon (including the laser ranging retroreflectors that anyone on Earth can point a laser at), there's one huge reason that the lunar landings weren't faked, and it's the fact that the USSR never disputed that America had successfully landed on the Moon. The USSR had beat us in putting a satellite in orbit, putting a man in space, and putting a lander on the Moon, it was the only other entity that had any knowledge and capability anywhere close to ours in being able to put humans on the lunar surface, and it had the most to lose in conceding that the United States had beat them to the Moon, and yet the Soviets never doubted that America had successfully landed on the Moon.

True, in fact a former Soviet cosmonaut, whose name escapes me at the moment said the Soviets tracked the Apollo mission by radio and where the transmissions came from and never doubted it. If I can find the article I will post it.

 

[MrCheeto]

I’m just more interested in hearing what doubters plan to do in the event of a return trip.

People that staunchly reject ideas always give their selves an out and this one makes me curious because I can’t imagine what they could possibly concoct this time.

 

[Rafterman]

Even disregarding the wealth of scientific proof of humans having been to the Moon (including the laser ranging retroreflectors that anyone on Earth can point a laser at), there's one huge reason that the lunar landings weren't faked, and it's the fact that the USSR never disputed that America had successfully landed on the Moon. The USSR had beat us in putting a satellite in orbit, putting a man in space, and putting a lander on the Moon, it was the only other entity that had any knowledge and capability anywhere close to ours in being able to put humans on the lunar surface, and it had the most to lose in conceding that the United States had beat them to the Moon, and yet the Soviets never doubted that America had successfully landed on the Moon.

The Soviets wew tracking the lander to within 50 feet of the moon, as well.

 

[Mousse]

So to all the people that clutch onto the "why haven't we gone back?" argument: what will you say?

2nd Rule of Acquisition: Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.

Not much exploitable resources on the Moon is why we haven't gone back. That and because the flag we planted gives French Government a stronger claim to the Moon.😁

 

[Spock]

With the advanced computer generated imagery, a moon landing can faked easier than ever. That is what you will hear from people that continue to deny the fact that we went to the moon.

 

[Rafterman]

With the advanced computer generated imagery, a moon landing can faked easier than ever. That is what you will hear from people that continue to deny the fact that we went to the moon.

Very logical, Mr. Spock

 

[Rafterman]

2nd Rule of Acquisition: Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.

Not much exploitable resources on the Moon is why we haven't gone back. That and because the flag we planted gives French Government a stronger claim to the Moon.😁

Rule #5. Always exaggerate your estimates. Going back will not be cheap, unfortunately. Plus, we have little idea what lies under the Moon surface. Could be some valuable minerals.

 

[jay968]

Strange thread. It's like asking those who believe that life started here with Adam and Eve what they would say if one day we find out that there are numerous civilizations out there far older than our's.

 

[decafjava]

Well found the article, it is from RT but it was testimony from Alexi Leonov, firt man to walk in space. Sorry for the messy text it is an old article.

Leonov and Armstrong

RT: The US is often accused of not actually going to the moon and faking the images from there. What’s your take on that?

AL (Alexi Leonov): That is ignorance, total ignorance on the part of those who say so. These people don't know anything about technology. Or they just seek popularity. Only two countries did not monitor the orbiting of the moon and landing on it. It was during the Cold War. There were systems, monitoring planes as well as rockets. Our radars monitored everything. We did not have a mission control center. There was a space communication military base in Moscow. Americans announced the start of Saturn-5 with Frank Borman as the commander. We observed the start of the rocket, Americans were transmitting it to the whole world, and only two countries were not watching – the Soviet Union and China. Out of stupidity. We saw all four adjustments. Our systems saw how a huge meteor came from the south and landed.One interesting fact: Frank Borman came here some time after the flight. Crowds surrounded his hotel every day. The government held a great reception for him, there was a press conference. Our people greeted Frank Borman just like they had greeted Gagarin. It was pure joy!We could have orbited the Moon before Frank Borman. All the tests were going great. We were asking to go on L-6. “No, let's do more tests.” Korolev had died, and Vasily Mishin took over. He was an excellent engineer, but he didn't have Korolev's strong leadership skills.Our engineers didn't like the risk. So they launched the sixth unmanned craft, which landed 600 meters away from the launch. Precision, all systems worked perfect, but it was unmanned. This was the most painful thing. We had all the chances to orbit the moon before Frank Borman did it. As far as landing goes… We were supposed to orbit the moon three times and then pick two crew members. Americans planned for two people to land, we planned one.I was the lunar team commander and in charge of the group training. We had three crews on the team altogether. So, when the Americans announced their mission, we all gathered at this military base. We sat there, holding our fingers crossed. We wished all the luck to the guys. We personally knew them, and they knew us. Radars were monitoring the whole process. When the ship landed, their external cameras began to show the surroundings. We saw it all. Then the hatch opened, the next camera turned on (they really had thought it all through). Armstrong goes down the steps. The last step was about 50 cm above the Moon's surface. He was moving his foot carefully. We all froze, waiting to see what was going to happen next. He jumped off the step, then bounced and began to walk. He had an antenna that transmitted everything to the Earth; we saw everything that they did.

When he says "monitor" I think it means broadcast to the population, the military and space control did.

 

[MrCheeto]

With the advanced computer generated imagery, a moon landing can faked easier than ever. That is what you will hear from people that continue to deny the fact that we went to the moon.

While true, I think this is more evident of people that just want to close their ears and go "na na na naaaa lalala". There's no telling how much time will be spent showing off all of the new "firsts" on the moon and what will come back. Those things, each, will need explanation. Another round of golf? 🤣

These people have already claimed the Tesla roadster stunt was all within a studio. Why on earth the event looks fake to them, I cannot understand.

I wonder how many commodities and new technologies will trickle into everyday life that they can hand-wave away with "coincidence!". Little do they know that our modern world would not even exist in the way it does if not for the tens-of-thousands of innovations that came from the one program alone.

 

[Sun Baked]

Shhh...

Don't discredit Spielberg's greatest final achievement, faking the next moon landing.

It'll make Apollo 13 look like a high school theater production.