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EugW

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I got the new M4 Mac mini with 10 GbE since my internet access is 1.9 Gbps down. I connected it up to my CAT5e and it negotiated and ran fine with a 2.5 Gbps link... until it didn't and dropped down to 1 Gbps. The CAT5e is good quality solid copper Belden DataTwist but part of the issue could have been my installation, since I did it myself DIY (almost 15 years ago). Jacks were CAT5e as well. The thing is that it's been running perfectly for that entire time at Gigabit speeds. Zero issues.

I had run CAT5e just because I had some left over from before. However, I did have the forethought to install another line in parallel, this one being some other lesser brand (not Belden) of solid copper CAT6, paired with CAT6 jacks. I'm not sure of the exact length, but I'm guessing they're about 50ish feet. Patch cable was also CAT5e, about 30 feet, so combined only about 80 feet or so. Note that the patch cable was actually DIY crimped as well, so again, installation may have been an issue. Nonetheless, I never had a problem running Gigabit, ever. No packet loss or whatever.

I switched over to the CAT6 line (which I also had installed myself), but kept the same CAT5e patch cable, and it seemed to solve the problem, negotiating at 2.5 Gbps and staying there. But just to be safe, I swapped out the 30-foot CAT5e patch cable for a 25-foot pre-made Monoprice CAT6 cable, and that also worked fine.

I was under the impression that 2.5 Gbps just needs the same 100 MHz frequency support as 1 Gbps and not more. However, I'd say that while in theory that may true, in real world practice, 2.5 Gbps may indeed need a bit more headroom than 1 Gbps. I realize it could have been a sub-par DIY install that was the problem, but as mentioned, Gigabit had no issues and my CAT6 install was DIY as well. IOW, it may be the case that CAT6 is more forgiving than CAT5e when dealing with even just 2.5 Gbps, even though CAT5e meets the specification.
 
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BTW, I was getting ~150-160 MB/s from Apple's App Store server for my latest software update. It's making good use of my 1.8 Gbps download speed.
 
I had similar experience. My house was built around 2008 with cat5e cables in almost every room. Recently, I upgraded the networking gears for WiFi 6E. The PoE switch support 802.11bt and 5Gbps/2.5Gbps. I installed one WiFi AP in the family room and it connected with the switch with 5Gbps very reliablly. However, for another one which was farther away on the second floor, the cat5e could only do 2.5Gbps with PoE++. Just as you did, I installed a new cat6 cable and now the 5Gbps was negotiated successfully and reliablly.

So cat5e can indeed do 5Gbps and PoE++ over a short distance. For me, it was about 30 feet. For longer ones (over 75 feet), it could still do 2.5Gbps, but just not 5Gbps.

In short, cat5e cables are still working great, even after a couple of decades.
 
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