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Ok, I bought the Apple Watch (series 2) in last september as a way to register activity and workout. So far I've kept most of my goals of going to the gym at least 4-5 days a week, mostly doing elliptical.

The watch does work for me in lots of ways, however the more I use it, the more I find the activity tracker to be way dumber than it should be.

My main complain is inconsistency in workouts.

For example, if I start an outdoor walk workout, and go for a very intense walk (I mean, walking as fast as I can, keeping my heart rate around 145 bpm on average), I have a hard time register half of the time I did walk for the "green exercise ring". I remember once, I was at 28 minutes, and I walked for 10 minutes at a very high pace without being able to even get those 2 minutes to register.

I understand that the usual answer to this is "you weren't walking fast enough" or "your heartrate wasn't high enough", however what really bother me on this, is if I just don't start a workout and simply go for a very casual walk, then the watch will register most of the minutes as Exercise. So I can walk casually for 35-40 minutes and fill my green ring, but walking way faster while doing an "outdoor walk workout" I am lucky if I am able to register 15 minutes of exercise.

Also, another aspect that bother me is that basically if I start an elliptical workout while sitting on my couch, with my heart rate staying at my normal "rest level", it will register every single second as exercise for the green ring. I tried it once, just sitting and starting an elliptical workout, and I could have filled the green without doing anything at all.

Same thing also for the time I forgot to stop the workout after my 30 minutes of elliptical, it then ran for another 60 minutes, so I got 90 minutes of exercise for literally doing groceries, driving my car, and sitting at home. I mean, I understand that elliptical is hard to register for a watch since you can either have your hands on the moving handles of the stationnary ones, however I do feel that if my Watch/Phone is able to know when I'm walking and moving (and even driving a car, as demonstrated by the new "do not disturb while driving" feature of iOS 11), then it should stop registering elliptical exercise minutes.

Basically, if the watch simply register my elliptical workout time when I manually start it and stop it, without even considering my heart rate and my actual physical movement, then why do I need a watch instead of a dumb iPhone app ?

I mean, now I feel the Apple Watch is a bit like Wii Sport at the time : It makes you think you need to do crazy tennis move to play when in reality you could just sit on your couch and shake your wrist at the right moment.
 
I guess I learned something, but it seems confusing what is happening... back in watchOS 1.0 (at launch in 2015) the Apple Watch only logged exercise time when your heart rate was high and you were moving a lot. People didn't like this (including me) because you would set it to lets say "Strength Training" and workout for 30 minutes and you would only get credit for maybe 10 minutes of the exercise ring because you don't move that much and heart rate doesn't spike and stay high like cardio. That stunk because you were working hard! They fixed it in watchOS 2.0 and I thought the solution was during ANY workout it recorded minutes 1:1 for the green ring. That's why you see that behavior (1:1 recording) during an elliptical workout even if you are sitting on a couch. I'm surprised it doesn't apply to your outdoor walking workout and my only thought is apple must have some algorithm for walking/running that needs to be met that doesn't apply to other workouts, but that surprises me.

I am a runner and lift weights and so far both are 1:1 with the exercise ring under watchOS 4.x
 
It’s just a monitor to give you some automated guidance on your extent of activity. Like all monitoring devices, it aims to do so in a way that isn’t intrusive to your everyday life.

Is it perfect? Certainly not. Is any fitness tracker? No. What’s good enough for you? Do you keep your own records? No? Why not? Too much work?

And yes, it’s possible to game the device.
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I lift weights and i find my aw 2 useless....well....i do use it as a timer.

How do you find it useless? Are you measuring your activity via some other mechanism?
 
It’s just a monitor to give you some automated guidance on your extent of activity. Like all monitoring devices, it aims to do so in a way that isn’t intrusive to your everyday life.

Is it perfect? Certainly not. Is any fitness tracker? No. What’s good enough for you? Do you keep your own records? No? Why not? Too much work?

And yes, it’s possible to game the device.
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How do you find it useless? Are you measuring your activity via some other mechanism?
What am i going to do with my watch and plus it gets in the way when i work on chest like cable cross over. The most realistic activity that i would implement the watch with is cardio, otherwise it would be timer for working out...or check my heart rate.
 
I use my AW3 on a treadmill every day for an indoor walk and it matches the minutes exactly.
 
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Regarding the first issue. With both of the walking workouts (indoor and outdoor), you need to be walking at a 3.5 mph clip for a minute for the exercise ring to register. You could be climbing a staircase, but if it's not 3.5 mph, it probably won't register, no matter your HR.

Is that stupid? Yeah, but it's the criteria that the AW is using.

For me, 30 minutes of exercise is not difficult to get in my everyday life. Even a lazy day at work, I'll get 15 minutes of exercise just by walking from meeting to meeting. Plus I don't really care about the green ring other than I'm obsessed with closing it.

Again, for me, the Move ring is what I care about. I have mine set at 700 and I need to walk at least 6 miles a day, in total to close the ring. If I run 3 miles, then it's easy. If I don't run (or otherwise exercise), then I have to walk on the treadmill for about 45 to 60 minutes when I get home.

I stopped worrying about the green ring as 30 minutes is very easy for me.
 
I use my AW3 on a treadmill every day for an indoor walk and it matches the minutes exactly.

Same here. Every morning I walk 10-20 minutes on a treadmill while I have a protein shake and read the news and I get the credit on my Exercise ring and what appears to be an appropriate amount of Move credit.
 
You know, I spoke too soon. Last night I updated to WatchOS 4.2.2. This morning I walked on the treadmill and got zero credit. Cmon, Apple.
 
I have a bit different issue and I'm surprised Apple has not done something about it yet.

I live in rather cold place and therefore in winters I run on the gym and during summers I run outdoors. I have started using AW3 in November. It has suggested I should go running outside to calibrate it and so I did. To my surprise, after calibration AW3 was measuring almost exact values of: burned kcal and distance when I worked out on treadmill.

And now we come to the issue. Since November I have increased my pace and now I run longer distance in the same time. My Apple Watch doesn't notice it. I used to believe it counts steps and it knows the length of my usual step from calibration. It seems otherwise or I have just increased the length of my step and not the pace at which I make steps.

At the moment my Apple Watch is about 15% off when compared to the treadmill results. It motivates me less nowadays because I workout much harder and it doesn't even notice it. I have increased pace yesterday and it was tough, but my AW3 even said I burned less kcal than last week.

It could have been easily remedied with "Adjust" button after workout wherein you specify your exact distance and AW3 would increase pace throughout whole workout evenly and learn your new pace.
 
I get the same issue as Merode since I changed my speed over the winter. I also have trouble with the move ring in the activity app. I don't know where my 980 calorie move goal comes from, its ok for days I run but on days I do strength training I get nowhere near that. My biggest complaint is the heart rate monitor. It kept cutting out on long hard runs so I started using a wahoo chest strap, but there's no way to tell where the watch is getting its data from, the watch itself or the chest strap. And wahoo's instructions/web site is ambiguous. And other running apps all seem to lack something, usually the ability to control iTunes from within the app.
 
Same here Helveta. Every 4th day I do generic body workout (push-ups, plank, triceps and so on - about 10 exercises, 3 series). I had no idea how to count it so I just start Gymnastics workout. I can say that this workout is much harder for me than running and it still counts less kcal. However they do inform you that every "Other" workout will count kcal as if it was marching workout.

The other issue is - I'm programmer. I don't move much and there's not even chance. At work I don't have time and after work I do my workout. Here's the thing - my daily kcal target is 660kcal. If I workout, it's not an issue. If I don't, I end up with about 300kcal.

Most achievements require that you fill rings each day of the week. What if I need one day of break each week from workouts? I'm not fitness trainer but I think that body requires at least one day of recuperation each week. I could set my goal to 350kcal and that would be manageable, but then I would reach 200% of target ealmost every day.
 
Update: I did “reset fitness calibration data” and all is well again.
 
Having used a Jawbone Up Move for years, then a Fitbit Alta, then a Fitbit Charge 2 HR.... Apple Watch is by far the best (by quite a bit) in terms of exercise relevance. I felt very similar to you with my Up and Alta/Charge 2.

Like you, no matter HOW FAST I WALK .... it WILL NOT count as exercise. I'm not in great shape but my fastest walking has my heart rate at like 110 - 119 bpm. I've intentionally tested this several times. This applies to the green exercise minute counter only.

I'm a programmer as well. (5'11 230 pounds). And if I don't run 2-3 miles, I will not complete all my rings. When I got my watch I said I wanted to be medium active - 720 calories. This means I have to run 2-3 miles, intentionally get up every hour and walk around, and be pretty active (way more than usual). If I don't run 2-3 miles I have to walk 4 to close the red ring.

I lowered my calories to 700 (from 720) this month and ran 2-3 miles every day for a week to get the Ring in the New Year Challenge. Never done this in my ENTIRE life. (I've run more in the last 2.8 months (when I bought it) with my AW 3 GPS than I have in my entire life).
So this week I'm taking a rest and just walking 3-4 miles to close my red ring - but my exercise ring only gets 3-6 minutes. Going to try boxing with 5 lbs weights and see if that counts as exercise today as it is really cold these days.


I noticed when chopping firewood Sunday that quite a bit of it counted as exercise even though I didn't do an activity (was sweating like crazy, heart rate high).
 
Am I the only one who can't figure out where the settings for the health and activity apps are?
 
Most achievements require that you fill rings each day of the week. What if I need one day of break each week from workouts? I'm not fitness trainer but I think that body requires at least one day of recuperation each week. I could set my goal to 350kcal and that would be manageable, but then I would reach 200% of target almost every day.
This is what bums me out about the achievements, too. The workout calendar I'm following sets aside two days a week for recovery. Now, true, doing the plan to-the-letter means doing a nice session of stretching and mobility exercises on recovery days, and the designers recommend going out and enjoying some physical activity anyway. But even if I log it as a workout, it's not always strenuous enough to complete my Move goal.
 
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This is what bums me out about the achievements, too. The workout calendar I'm following sets aside two days a week for recovery. Now, true, doing the plan to-the-letter means doing a nice session of stretching and mobility exercises on recovery days, and the designers recommend going out and enjoying some physical activity anyway. But even if I log it as a workout, it's not always strenuous enough to complete my Move goal.
For me, the Move ring is set at 700. This is how it's been since the beginning. I put in my stats and I think I chose moderate activity goal.

The way it's worked out is that I have to do moderate activity throughout the day in order to close the ring. So it's worked out perfectly. If I workout (which is basically running), I easily hit my Move goal. If I sit on my butt all day at work, I have to walk on the treadmill (3 to 4 miles) when I get home, which isn't that strenuous but does require effort. Ultimately, it's about 12,000 steps per day to get my 700 kcal if I don't run. Which is a little more than what my doctor tells me to shoot for anyway.

If you choose a higher Move goal that requires a few hours of strenuous exercise to close the ring, then you can't do rest days. So lower the Move goal to what works for you.
 
I keep my move goal set relatively low since I don't really work out other than walking on the treadmill. Considering I didn't even do that on a regular basis before getting my AW, I'm okay with where it is. I'm not looking to set any records.

I actually have more issues with getting the Stand thing to record properly than I do with Move or Exercise.
 
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If you choose a higher Move goal that requires a few hours of strenuous exercise to close the ring, then you can't do rest days. So lower the Move goal to what works for you.
That's my conundrum. I'm pretty much guaranteed to hit the Move goal if I work out, and when I don't do a workout -- i.e., when I sit on my butt most of the day -- I feel that it's proper that my Move goal doesn't get met.

What's more important to me than a badge is how my body feels. Back when I was three-plus years into the plan I'm doing now, I felt more athletic and capable than I had since I was a teenager, sometimes even more so. I think rest days were a big part of that feeling.
 
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Here's an illustration as to how my Move Goal is set.

I set my goal for "moderate activity" for my age/weight/gender. Turns out that is 700 kcal. Yesterday was a very typical weekday for me. No strenuous workout for me (bad back and mild shin splints). So to reach my goal, I have to do moderate activity.

By quitting time, I was about 50% of my goal. And close to 50% of the daily minimum recommendation of 10,000 steps.

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So after dinner, I got on the treadmill and started walking at 3.6 mph (according to the treadmill). I typically watch TV or something during this time ... luckily the Sixers were on and I watched most of the 1st half on the 'mill. Met the Move goal and ended up with about 12,000 steps.

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So in my mind, I met the absolute minimum goal of 10,000 and moderate activity. I don't consider this a workout day. To me, a rest day can and should include 5-6 miles of walking.

Bottom line, if I sit on the couch all day, I won't reach the Move goal. No way possible.
 
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It all depends. I'm living busy life and I don't have that much time to walk on treadmill. Therefore I opt for quick 30 minutes runs with speed averaging currently 12km/h.

This puts more strain on me than walking and after prolonged daily workouts (for example a week) I get some muscle pain. And by that I mean real pain and not just tired legs.

Everybody at gym will tell you that to improve your performance you require three ingredients: training, nutrition and rest. Your body goes through two stages: catabolism and anabolism. You put strain on your muscles and then they are reconstructed and strengthened. If you don't rest enough, your body will not regenerate muscles and your performance will decrease. I've been there.

It all just depends on what you would like to achieve: lose weight ASAP or build your body and improve your performance. AW achievements promote losing weight ASAP with it's complete negligance on resting time.

For everyone the balance between rest and working out is different. For me my running routine is very strenuous and therefore every 4th day I do other workout. It still is not enough. It all just comes down to the fact that I prefer very hard workouts and rest every 3rd-4th day than light workouts and resting daily.
 
(slight tangent)

Despite what I've said earlier about two off days per week, I've largely worked around the workout-rest-workout part by working different things on different days.

Say, in simplest terms, I just do exercises that emphasize pulling motions on one day (pullups, curls, rows, etc). For the next two or three days, I don't do much of those moves again, switching to pushing motions (pushups, overhead presses, you get the idea) on the next day and legs on the third day. I can even feel the difference in temperature between the muscles that are getting worked and the ones that are resting; on a pulling day, my biceps feel noticeably warmer than my triceps.

So I can still get a good session every day, but I'm not doing the same thing every day.
 
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