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I think there is going to be announcement of HomePod v2 in Oct/Nov.
 
What makes you think that? The first generation has sold very poorly. Apple clearly is treating the HomePod as the bastard child. They haven't released os 13 for it yet.

What would a HomePod 2 add? It already has a very fast processor.

I think the bigger concern is whether or not Apple will even keep the HomePod around. The HomePod is a painful spotlight on how far behind Apple is on the personal assistant technology.
 
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I agree with the above.
I think Apple makes money from the ludicrous premium price of the homepod vs other cheaper alternatives but saying that, at most I think we'll see a price drop to sell more devices. Part of the sale is being in the Apple ecosystem so they could use that price drop card because it drives sales up of other devices. I mean, the homepod works amazingly well if you have Apple products and sounds great. It's just not as in focus as their other product offerings.

Also, homepod firmware 13 is coming out when 13.2 drops for iOS due to the handoff features in the 13.2 beta. Not long now!
 
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What makes you think that? The first generation has sold very poorly. Apple clearly is treating the HomePod as the bastard child. They haven't released os 13 for it yet.

What would a HomePod 2 add? It already has a very fast processor.

I think the bigger concern is whether or not Apple will even keep the HomePod around. The HomePod is a painful spotlight on how far behind Apple is on the personal assistant technology.

The HomePod is awesome, Apple doesn’t need another as they nailed it the first time.

And it’s sold over 5 million units by now making it a $1.7 billion dollar product. We should all have such “failures”.
 
The HomePod is awesome, Apple doesn’t need another as they nailed it the first time.

And it’s sold over 5 million units by now making it a $1.7 billion dollar product. We should all have such “failures”.
Nobody knows how many have been sold. Point is, it’s a tiny fraction of the overall market. Other things to consider to is consumer satisfaction. How many would buy another HomePod?

 
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Nobody knows how many have been sold. Point is, it’s a tiny fraction of the overall market. Other things to consider to is consumer satisfaction. How many would buy another HomePod?

Pick a number you like.....3 million, 5 million, point is this is a BILLION dollar product, by any measure a remarkable success. And Apple has built its entire company not by being the company that sells the most units but rather the company that makes the highest quality product that can command a premium price; as such, the HomePod is precisely the type of success that Apple has always been known for.

I have bought 2 for my primary house, 2 for my beach house, and 1 for my son at college. So, yeah, millions of us would buy another HomePod. Just because some clickbait analyst says "Apple is cancelling orders" doesn't mean that the product he's talking about is a failure, just means that Apple ordered too many and is adjusting, just like any product manager does for any product in the world. iPhone X was the same way, became the best selling phone in Apple's history.
 
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Pick a number you like.....3 million, 5 million, point is this is a BILLION dollar product, by any measure a remarkable success. And Apple has built its entire company not by being the company that sells the most units but rather the company that makes the highest quality product that can command a premium price; as such, the HomePod is precisely the type of success that Apple has always been known for.

I have bought 2 for my primary house, 2 for my beach house, and 1 for my son at college. So, yeah, millions of us would buy another HomePod. Just because some clickbait analyst says "Apple is cancelling orders" doesn't mean that the product he's talking about is a failure, just means that Apple ordered too many and is adjusting, just like any product manager does for any product in the world. iPhone X was the same way, became the best selling phone in Apple's history.

This! Love mine and wouldn’t hesitate in buying more if I needed them. I would be amazed if a) there was a new model incoming, and b) Apple drop the HomePod altogether. I just don’t see either happening anytime soon.
 
Yeah the HomePod is great, I don't see a HomePod 2 coming anytime soon, I have a HomePod as well as some sonos play 1s (first gen), I much prefer the HomePod for sound and ease of use.

I think the reason HomePod didn't sell as well is because it was late to the market, people had already invested into the likes of Sonos and music subs like Spotify.
 
I bought my first one on the releaseday, got my second one couple of months later. We live in a small apartment so getting more would be overkill. We're building a house and I'm absolutely sure I'm gonna get more of them after we've moved...

Don't see why they'd bring out a second one because they're still releasing it in new regions (think Japan recently), as already posted: it's processor is more than fast enough for new features, and the sound quality is really nice.

I'd rather have them work on Siri than on new hardware, but I must say Siri understands me 99% of the time and does what I ask...
 
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I would love to get one, unfortunately it isn't available in my country. The rollout of the product internationally has been incredibly slow.. :(
 
I think the reason HomePod didn't sell as well is because it was late to the market, people had already invested into the likes of Sonos and music subs like Spotify.

Again, "sell well" is a misnomer spawned by clickbait bloggers. Just because Apple cancelled some orders doesn't mean HomePod is not meeting its sales targets. This is a supply chain convention as old as retail itself, a buyer over-orders a product deliberately which forces the factory to produce the units and then that buyer has the option of cancelling at his discretion. This is better for the buyer than not ordering enough and frustrating consumers. You know how an iPhone will sell out and then people don't understand why it takes them 8 weeks to get theirs? That's what this "over order and cancel back" retail methodology avoids.

HomePod is a billion dollar business. On a single sku. This ain't no failure.
 
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Again, "sell well" is a misnomer spawned by clickbait bloggers. Just because Apple cancelled some orders doesn't mean HomePod is not meeting its sales targets. This is a supply chain convention as old as retail itself, a buyer over-orders a product deliberately which forces the factory to produce the units and then that buyer has the option of cancelling at his discretion. This is better for the buyer than not ordering enough and frustrating consumers. You know how an iPhone will sell out and then people don't understand why it takes them 8 weeks to get theirs? That's what this "over order and cancel back" retail methodology avoids.

HomePod is a billion dollar business. On a single sku. This ain't no failure.

Yes, 'sell well' was the wrong words to use. I'm not calling the HomePod a failure, it's great, as I said I prefer it to my Sonos speakers.

It was late to the home speaker game though, when Sonos had been around for much longer, not to mention you need to be in the apple ecosystem to get the best out of the HomePod.

All I'm saying is I can't see a HomePod 2 in the near future when the HomePod 1 is already a great device.
 
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I would love to get one, unfortunately it isn't available in my country. The rollout of the product internationally has been incredibly slow.. :(
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I bought one in France because it's not available in Belgium and it baffles me that there are only a couple of countries where it is officially released.
The thing is we don't need an HomePod 2 but we need a different HomePod like the Echo dot/Google Mini or Echo show/Google Nest Hub although an iPad can be used for the display.
 
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i think the HomePod has been dropped as a priority by Apple. They announced new features in iOS 13 and we‘re now weeks past iOS 13 coming to all other devices, with no update and Apple can’t even be bothered saying when an update will come.
if Apple were releasing a new HomePod soon, I don’t think they’d be so sloppy.

I really only use my HomePod as a Airplay 2 speaker, so I’m fine just to buy Sonos and can buy 2 ikea airplay speakers to run stereo for 60% of the cost of one HomePod.
 
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Given the number of bugs in the .0 releases of macOS and iOS this time around, I think Apple is wise to grap a few engineers everywhere to fix their major releases.. Because oh boy, what a couple of shipwrecks. And that might have pushed the Homepod release further back.
 
I would like a cheaper home pod. I heard rumors of a cut down model in development. Might end up going with bose bluetooth mini to save $100
 
HomePod was selling for $199 new. we'll probably see that price again around turkey day.
 
I seriously doubted HomePod when it was announced. I’ve used everything from desktop stereos hacked w airport express, Bluetooth speakers, studio monitors etc. HomePod is a great product.

That said, home speaker systems are a very competitive market. And I think Apple is getting its butt kicked by Amazon due to their willingness to offer cheap, low quality options.

I’d be very interested in what, if any improvements Apple would consider to the HomePod, but actually expect they’d introduce something much cheaper via the Beats brand.
 
I seriously doubted HomePod when it was announced. I’ve used everything from desktop stereos hacked w airport express, Bluetooth speakers, studio monitors etc. HomePod is a great product.

That said, home speaker systems are a very competitive market. And I think Apple is getting its butt kicked by Amazon due to their willingness to offer cheap, low quality options.

I’d be very interested in what, if any improvements Apple would consider to the HomePod, but actually expect they’d introduce something much cheaper via the Beats brand.

HomePod doesn’t compete with cheap Alexa in the same way that iPhone doesn’t compete with cheap Android and MacBook doesn’t compete with cheap Chromebooks.

Wrap your brains around the fact that Apple has created the best-in-class smart speaker, its a BILLION dollar product, and they don’t have to do a damned thing but make more of them.

Enough with this ridiculous narrative. HomePod is a terrific success.
 
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I bought one in France because it's not available in Belgium and it baffles me that there are only a couple of countries where it is officially released.
The thing is we don't need an HomePod 2 but we need a different HomePod like the Echo dot/Google Mini or Echo show/Google Nest Hub although an iPad can be used for the display.

It's because the HomePod doesn't know Dutch :-(
Got mine in London. Tricked the girlfriend into a romantic city trip ;-)
 
What makes you think that? The first generation has sold very poorly. Apple clearly is treating the HomePod as the bastard child. They haven't released os 13 for it yet.
What would a HomePod 2 add? It already has a very fast processor.
I think the bigger concern is whether or not Apple will even keep the HomePod around. The HomePod is a painful spotlight on how far behind Apple is on the personal assistant technology.

You don't know how well the HomePod has sold. Apple doesn't release those numbers.
They have added alot of functionality to the HomePod since they released so it's hardly a bastard stepchild.
It's a great personal assistant. No other product comes close on microphone sensitivity. It does everything I need it to do with home automation. Siri is better than people give it credit for and I doubt many people who slag on Siri have actually used it lately. I also have Alexa and Google devices plus Sonos in some rooms. Plus high end audiophile level amplifiers, receivers, speakers etc. For most people Sonos is fine but not great audio quality at much lower cost, especially the Sonos SL. Sonos speaker with mics suck at Google voice and Alexa so you are better off connecting a dot or google mini to to get full functionality.
My only complaint about the HomePod is the freaking bass. Way too overpowering and no way to control it. I don't see why they need a new version the processorin the current one can handle anything they throw at it for awhile.
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Would like to see the HomePod get 802.11ax support.

Why? Hardly anyone has it since it isn't ratified and ac is more than enough for a long time to come.
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I seriously doubted HomePod when it was announced. I’ve used everything from desktop stereos hacked w airport express, Bluetooth speakers, studio monitors etc. HomePod is a great product.

That said, home speaker systems are a very competitive market. And I think Apple is getting its butt kicked by Amazon due to their willingness to offer cheap, low quality options.

I’d be very interested in what, if any improvements Apple would consider to the HomePod, but actually expect they’d introduce something much cheaper via the Beats brand.

Apple doesn't care about the cheap speaker market nor should they. Plus they have privacy and security. Amazon sells Alexa at break even prices for a reason.
 
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What I would like to see if a HomePod 2 with improved audio over HomePod 1 as well as a separate, lower priced HomePod Mini. That way you can buy HomePods for prime music listening spots (lounge, living room, office etc.) and buy the HomePod Mini for places where you want hands off siri but don't care about the highest quality music experience (garage, kitchen, bathroom, etc.)
 
i think the HomePod has been dropped as a priority by Apple. They announced new features in iOS 13 and we‘re now weeks past iOS 13 coming to all other devices, with no update and Apple can’t even be bothered saying when an update will come.
if Apple were releasing a new HomePod soon, I don’t think they’d be so sloppy.

I really only use my HomePod as a Airplay 2 speaker, so I’m fine just to buy Sonos and can buy 2 ikea airplay speakers to run stereo for 60% of the cost of one HomePod.

Nobody knows how many have been sold. Point is, it’s a tiny fraction of the overall market. Other things to consider to is consumer satisfaction. How many would buy another HomePod?



Me and lots of other people. I have six now all in stereo pairs.
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I agree with the above.
I think Apple makes money from the ludicrous premium price of the homepod vs other cheaper alternatives but saying that, at most I think we'll see a price drop to sell more devices. Part of the sale is being in the Apple ecosystem so they could use that price drop card because it drives sales up of other devices. I mean, the homepod works amazingly well if you have Apple products and sounds great. It's just not as in focus as their other product offerings.

Also, homepod firmware 13 is coming out when 13.2 drops for iOS due to the handoff features in the 13.2 beta. Not long now!

What is ludicrous about the price? Name me another smart speaker that is even close to that level of technology and development.
 
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You don't know how well the HomePod has sold. Apple doesn't release those numbers.
They have added alot of functionality to the HomePod since they released so it's hardly a bastard stepchild.
It's a great personal assistant. No other product comes close on microphone sensitivity. It does everything I need it to do with home automation. Siri is better than people give it credit for and I doubt many people who slag on Siri have actually used it lately. I also have Alexa and Google devices plus Sonos in some rooms. Plus high end audiophile level amplifiers, receivers, speakers etc. For most people Sonos is fine but not great audio quality at much lower cost, especially the Sonos SL. Sonos speaker with mics suck at Google voice and Alexa so you are better off connecting a dot or google mini to to get full functionality.
My only complaint about the HomePod is the freaking bass. Way too overpowering and no way to control it. I don't see why they need a new version the processorin the current one can handle anything they throw at it for awhile.
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Why? Hardly anyone has it since it isn't ratified and ac is more than enough for a long time to come.
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Apple doesn't care about the cheap speaker market nor should they. Plus they have privacy and security. Amazon sells Alexa at break even prices for a reason.

It's expected to be ratified this month or next, no changes are coming hence why we see it in other Apple devices like the iPhone. I'd like to be able to get every device on my network using 802.11ax to really make use of it and I don't expect to replace the HomePod as often as other devices.

802.11ax is a pretty massive improvement and will likely be a rather long lived standard.
 
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