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New XRay Scanner tested for airports

hmmm, radiation dose only about that of sunshine eh? How much sunshine? Sunshine sure has the capability of causing some really nasty skin cancers if exposed to it for too long. I think I'd be more concerned about the dose received by the technicians working around the machine all day long; I wonder if they'll have to wear the little "rad" badges nuclear pharmacists and radiologists / radiology techs have to wear. . .
 
WOW. Thats really freakin bizarre!

I think they should be implemented, because they appear relatively impossible to sneak anything through. But they should have the monitors in booths so unauthorized people wont be checking out the show.
 
this is just sick. how about everyone gets strip searched every time they go in to a government building? is that a good idea? these security nuts need to be stopped. :mad:

edit: I'm about at the point now where I don't want to fly anymore... not because I have the slightest fear of terrorism, but because I can't stand the ten security checkpoints, getting to the airport 90 min early for domestic flights, searches, etc. I hope this costs the airlines enough customers that they get a message.
 
So I guess you'd rather blow up in a firery crash and have your friends and family learn about your demise on CNN?

If you were paying attention, you'd note that this particular device will actually SAVE you time at the airport because it will eliminate the need for getting patted down and scanned with the metal detector wands at 6 different checkpoints.

C'mon man, it isnt a conspiracy to invade your privacy, its about keeping people from getting killed. I for one appreciate all the safety. (plus, I dont care WHO sees me naked, I look pretty good! :) --maybe SOMEONE is a bit self conscious about their weight, hmmmm???)

;)
 
Although I thought it quite interesting that they chose a woman at first, then realized that you'd see even more if it was a man.

What will be fun for the security guards will be the trannies....;)

Nothing will get by them if they're paying attention and I'm sure its going to cause so problems regardless. The first person going through who gets caught with something hidden is in for a surprise....

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Wow, thats pretty weird.

I bet that they wont be used though, since its kind of invading. But, I would rather them use the machines if it keeps weapons from getting through.
 
QCassidy352 has some valid points. I live 3 and a half hours drive from Houston. Many local businesspeople do business regularly in Houston and many used to fly. (45min Flight) Now almost all drive since security is so slow, it takes longer to fly.

Now this would speed up scanning, but I wouldn't fly because of it. Of course I don't fly now because of all of the security. Not that I don't have anything to hide except my fat body. ;) I just would rather drive than deal with the hassle and expense.
 
Originally posted by agreenster
So I guess you'd rather blow up in a firery crash and have your friends and family learn about your demise on CNN?

If you were paying attention, you'd note that this particular device will actually SAVE you time at the airport because it will eliminate the need for getting patted down and scanned with the metal detector wands at 6 different checkpoints.

C'mon man, it isnt a conspiracy to invade your privacy, its about keeping people from getting killed. I for one appreciate all the safety. (plus, I dont care WHO sees me naked, I look pretty good! :) --maybe SOMEONE is a bit self conscious about their weight, hmmmm???)

;)
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What a load of CRAP. I'm sorry, but this type of nonsense REALLY pisses me off. How far are you willing to go? How many rights, how many privacies, how many liberties are you willing to cheerfully give up for some kind of false sense of security? Oooh, I'm soooo scared of dying in a firey crash caused by terrorists... ROFL. First, you're more likely to die from driving to the store, choaking on a pretzel, or being hit by lightning than from a terrorist attack. Second, if I'm worried about any aspect of airline safety it's mechanical failure. Many more planes go down for that reason than because of terrorism.

It IS a conspiracy to invade privacy, and to take liberties. What's next - arrests and detainments without charges, tapping cell phones, entering houses without warrants? No, wait, we already cheerfully accept these things (or will as soon as Patriot II gets pushed through) -- all in the name of safety from terrorism. Well I'm sorry, but I'm a hell of a lot more scared of the government than of terrorists. You're damn right that I'm willing to increase my risk of dying in a terrorist attack to retain a few liberties because the chances of dying in a terrorist attack are essentially zero either way. Know how many american planes have been hijacked planes in the past year? 0. How about the last 18 months? Oh, that's right, zero again.

And what if you do stop the threat against planes? How about bridges, tunnels, stadiums, trains, subways? And the list goes on. Do you want random searches on the street? Every car crossing the Brooklyn Bridge to be checked for explosives? Hey, I know - let's make this Germany, circa 1940. Not much terrorism there!

And BTW, "self conscious about my weight?" I'm a cross country and long distance track runner. Know what those guys look like? Ok then.
 
Am I the only one who is thinking about the movie "Enemy of the State" during this conversation? Some of this security is rather frightening in my opinion.

P-Worm
 
Originally posted by agreenster
So I guess you'd rather blow up in a firery crash and have your friends and family learn about your demise on CNN?

If you were paying attention, you'd note that this particular device will actually SAVE you time at the airport because it will eliminate the need for getting patted down and scanned with the metal detector wands at 6 different checkpoints.

C'mon man, it isnt a conspiracy to invade your privacy, its about keeping people from getting killed. I for one appreciate all the safety. (plus, I dont care WHO sees me naked, I look pretty good! :) --maybe SOMEONE is a bit self conscious about their weight, hmmmm???)

;)
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You wouldn't hear of him dying on CNN. You would hear of how the people who committed the act are just misunderstood and deserve gentle rehabilitation. That or they are made martyrs.

I think that if they get the fig leaf thing going then i would have no prob with the system.


tazo
 
me, and my mom are really worried about this.

My mom is not going to be virtually strip searched, ever, in front of anyone.. why?

she's muslim, so am i.

Chances are, we're not going to be able to refuse it, and like QCassidy352 said, we're just getting a rights stripped from us.

I either dont fly, or they dont put me/my mom in that machine. Come on? how can you guys say its a good thing?

lets say your wife was going through, you wouldnt want some guy wacking off of your wife now would you?
 
Originally posted by Mehmet
me, and my mom are really worried about this.

My mom is not going to be virtually strip searched, ever, in front of anyone.. why?

she's muslim, so am i.

Chances are, we're not going to be able to refuse it, and like QCassidy352 said, we're just getting a rights stripped from us.

I either dont fly, or they dont put me/my mom in that machine. Come on? how can you guys say its a good thing?

lets say your wife was going through, you wouldnt want some guy wacking off of your wife now would you?
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I don't see how your being Muslim means you can't walk through a xray machine...

Don't fly if you feel your right to privacy is greater then the sum rights of all those around you.

I don't think some guy is going to whack off to a split second image of a probably non-model woman.
 
This reminds me of my childhood. When going to a show store, they were able to X-Ray my feet. The ability to know the shoes were a good fit. They were discontinued because of the fear of the X-Ray!
 
Originally posted by QCassidy352
What a load of CRAP. I'm sorry, but this type of nonsense REALLY pisses me off. How far are you willing to go? How many rights, how many privacies, how many liberties are you willing to cheerfully give up for some kind of false sense of security? Oooh, I'm soooo scared of dying in a firey crash caused by terrorists... ROFL. First, you're more likely to die from driving to the store, choaking on a pretzel, or being hit by lightning than from a terrorist attack. Second, if I'm worried about any aspect of airline safety it's mechanical failure. Many more planes go down for that reason than because of terrorism.

It IS a conspiracy to invade privacy, and to take liberties. What's next - arrests and detainments without charges, tapping cell phones, entering houses without warrants? No, wait, we already cheerfully accept these things (or will as soon as Patriot II gets pushed through) -- all in the name of safety from terrorism. Well I'm sorry, but I'm a hell of a lot more scared of the government than of terrorists. You're damn right that I'm willing to increase my risk of dying in a terrorist attack to retain a few liberties because the chances of dying in a terrorist attack are essentially zero either way. Know how many american planes have been hijacked planes in the past year? 0. How about the last 18 months? Oh, that's right, zero again.

And what if you do stop the threat against planes? How about bridges, tunnels, stadiums, trains, subways? And the list goes on. Do you want random searches on the street? Every car crossing the Brooklyn Bridge to be checked for explosives? Hey, I know - let's make this Germany, circa 1940. Not much terrorism there!

And BTW, "self conscious about my weight?" I'm a cross country and long distance track runner. Know what those guys look like? Ok then.
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Conspiracy theorists are freaks. Give it a rest dude. Its just an x-ray machine.
 
Originally posted by tazo
I don't see how your being Muslim means you can't walk through a xray machine...

Don't fly if you feel your right to privacy is greater then the sum rights of all those around you.

I don't think some guy is going to whack off to a split second image of a probably non-model woman.
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why do you think women wear scarves, and cover most of their bodies? its to not show their bodies to other people besides inner family (son, daughter, husband, and what not). It is NOT ok for someone to look at my mom naked, especially some random guy at the front of an xray machine. The culture in the US doesnt really put this in as a factor, since everyone here walks around half naked anyway.
 
Originally posted by Mehmet
why do you think women wear scarves, and cover most of their bodies? its to not show their bodies to other people besides inner family (son, daughter, husband, and what not). It is NOT ok for someone to look at my mom naked, especially some random guy at the front of an xray machine. The culture in the US doesnt really put this in as a factor, since everyone here walks around half naked anyway.
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I am not sure of what part of america you live in, but the women around here definitely wouldn't go for that. Especially the over 40 crowd. How likely do you think it is for your Grandmother to undergo that kind of scrutiny.

Now on the flip side this would be a huge boon to the porn sites that specialize in celebrity porn. Imagine every time a Celeb flies commercial and they go through a scanner, all they have to do is bribe the low paid tech to snap an image from the screen. I am sure people would pay to see those scans.
 
Originally posted by P-Worm
Am I the only one who is thinking about the movie "Enemy of the State" during this conversation?
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Another good example is the privacy-invading technology in Minority Report. They'll probably be checking laptops at these so-called "security" checkpoints next -
"You need to present the necessary papers to prove that your software is legal. Where are your Microsoft certificates containing the serial numbers?"
 
Originally posted by arogge

"You need to present the necessary papers to prove that your software is legal. Where are your Microsoft certificates containing the serial numbers?"
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Heh, then I think only 1% of the poplution that carries laptops would be allowed to fly. :) Even the people who are legal have a hard time proving it to a SPA investigation...

I personally don't mind the search. I just don't like the idea that they essentially get to look at every person who flies Naked. It is like a manditory strip search IMHO.

Edit: Afterthought, I might more ok with it if they had his and hers scanning boths. Since strip searches are conducted by same sex security.
 
Originally posted by agreenster
Conspiracy theorists are freaks. Give it a rest dude. Its just an x-ray machine.
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It's also not a conspiracy when it's happening in plain view of the public. Would you accept blood tests at the checkpoints too? With such tests, we could stop many diseases from spreading. This would be more beneficial than exposing everyone at airports to X rays in the hopes that someone will decide to blindly walk into the checkpoint without realizing that illicit items will be detected. These privacy-invading devices cost money too, both upfront and for operator training, money that could be better spent on improving aircraft maintenance and keeping the airline industry afloat.
 
I really don't see it as that big a deal. One of the things it does do is makes terrorism more of a deterrent and you're seeing a *shadow* of your body, not a picture.

Sure its removing some privacy - but what exactly are you trying to hide?

D
 
Originally posted by arogge
It's also not a conspiracy when it's happening in plain view of the public. Would you accept blood tests at the checkpoints too? With such tests, we could stop many diseases from spreading. This would be more beneficial than exposing everyone at airports to X rays in the hopes that someone will decide to blindly walk into the checkpoint without realizing that illicit items will be detected. These privacy-invading devices cost money too, both upfront and for operator training, money that could be better spent on improving aircraft maintenance and keeping the airline industry afloat.
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People dont spontaneously combust from catching a cold on a plane. People do however blow up when terrorists take over plances and fly them into buildings.

BTW--HE said it was a conspiracy, not me.

I think its just smart technology. Sure, its a bit invasive, Im not arguing that. Like I said before, as long as its handled correctly, it could be a very discreet, useful tool.
 
Originally posted by arogge
Another good example is the privacy-invading technology in Minority Report. They'll probably be checking laptops at these so-called "security" checkpoints next -
"You need to present the necessary papers to prove that your software is legal. Where are your Microsoft certificates containing the serial numbers?"
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Sorry for the double post....



People wont be X-rayed at the airport to keep them from stealing software you nut. Its intended to keep them alive while on the plane. Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?
 
Originally posted by agreenster
People dont spontaneously combust from catching a cold on a plane. People do however blow up when terrorists take over plances and fly them into buildings.
I think its just smart technology. Sure, its a bit invasive, Im not arguing that. Like I said before, as long as its handled correctly, it could be a very discreet, useful tool.
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Making eye scans of all "good" people and disallowing everyone else access to places where the "good" people reside would work too. When I mentioned the ability to stop diseases, I wasn't referring to common colds. The question is: how many rights will we give up in name of security? The society is rapidly approaching the world envisioned by Orwell. It didn't take long before the anti-terrorism laws were used for purposes other than terrorism, so how long will it be before the X ray devices are misused? There's already talk of using airport security to scan for drugs. Where will it end? The system is perfect, until it comes after you.
 
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