Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MacRumors

macrumors bot
Original poster
Apr 12, 2001
67,728
38,262


Reports that next year's iPhone 17 will adopt TSMC's next-generation 2nm process are "fake news," a reputable source of accurate predictions about Apple's plans claimed on Monday.

apple-silicon-feature-joeblue.jpg

According to a post by Weibo user "Phone Chip Expert," the 2nm process won't go into mass production until the end of 2025. The account holder, who claims to have 25 years of experience in the integrated circuit industry, including work on Intel's Pentium processors, suggests the iPhone 17 will therefore still use TSMC's 3nm process.

"The 2nm process won't be mass-produced until the end of 2025, so the iPhone 17 definitely can't catch up," read a machine translation of Phone Chip Expert's post. "It won't be until the iPhone 18 that a 2nm processor will be used."

"Anyone who has seen the capacity planning chart will know that this is yet another report from an unscrupulous media outlet," added the user, commenting on an article by Zhitong Finance that repeated claims recently made by Taiwanese newspapers based on "industry sources."

TSMC plans to begin volume production of 2nm chips next year, but multiple reports out of Taiwan suggested that the company had been accelerating the process ahead of schedule to secure a stable yield for mass production. Apple is TSMC's main client, and it is typically the first to get TSMC's new chips. Apple acquired all of TSMC's 3nm chips in 2023 for iPhones, iPads, and Macs, for example.

The 2nm fabrication process, also known simply as "N2," is expected to offer a 10 to 15 percent speed improvement at the same power or a 25 to 30 percent power reduction at the same speed compared to chips made with the supplier's ‌3nm‌ technology. The A17 Pro chip in Apple's iPhone 15 Pro models is manufactured with TSMC's first-generation 3nm process, known as N3B. Apple's M4 chip, which recently debuted in the new iPad Pro, uses an enhanced version of this ‌3nm‌ technology.

Code in iOS 18 has confirmed that all four iPhone 16 models are set to use Apple's next-generation A18 chip, based on TSMC's N3E process. N3E is TSMC's second-generation 3nm chip fabrication process, which is less expensive and has improved yield compared to TSMC's first-generation 3nm process.

The Weibo user contesting claims that 2nm will be ready for the iPhone 17 has a track record of accurate predictions. Phone Chip Expert was the first to reveal that the iPhone 7 would be water-resistant and that the standard iPhone 14 models would continue to use the A15 Bionic chip, while the more advanced A16 chip would be exclusive to the ‌iPhone 14‌ Pro models. These forecasts were later confirmed by multiple credible sources and were proven correct when the products were released.
More recently, Phone Chip Expert was the first source of information about Apple developing its own AI server processor using TSMC's 3nm process, targeting mass production by the second half of 2025.

Article Link: Next Year's iPhone 17 Unlikely to Feature TSMC's First 2nm Chip
 
Last edited:
It's Macrumors' fault for even reporting the original article.

If the reporter had done any basic research, he/she would have known that TSMC N2 is scheduled for 2H 2025 and that hasn't been changed for a long time. If TSMC is able to move N2 up 7-8 months, they would have told investors in a investor call which they need to do since they're a public company.
 
I mean, none of this matters because iOS doesn't even push these chips to their limits.

Give me more RAM ffs, so sick of reloading apps and safari on a £1000+ device every time I either look at an email or lock my phone for 1 minute.

Cheap Tim.
 
I mean, none of this matters because iOS doesn't even push these chips to their limits.

Give me more RAM ffs, so sick of reloading apps and safari on a £1000+ device every time I either look at an email or lock my phone for 1 minute.

Cheap Tim.
Good news is when Apple can’t improve in other ways that’s when they add more ram
 
It's Macrumors' fault for even reporting the original article.

If the reporter had done any basic research, he/she would have known that TSMC N2 is scheduled for 2H 2025 and that hasn't been changed for a long time. If TSMC is able to move N2 up 7-8 months, they would have told investors in a investor call which they need to do since they're a public company.

I have yet to see a single media, at least main stream media who are interested in reporting the truth. Even when something like TSMC roadmap are public.

They are only interested in your page Views and clicks. Nothing more. Remember Intel Modem? And I mean I have been saying the same thing about TSMC schedule here before.

But then again most reader don't even want to learn about it anyway. Despite this being pointed out on the Macrumors forum many many times, with links or direction to TSMC as sources. Most readers and commentators still decide to go with Macrumors reporting.
 
If the reporter had done any basic research, he/she would have known that TSMC N2 is scheduled for 2H 2025 and that hasn't been changed for a long time. If TSMC is able to move N2 up 7-8 months, they would have told investors in a investor call which they need to do since they're a public company.
It seems like you might be attempting to apply US rules to a Taiwanese company.
 
"N3E is TSMC's second-generation 3nm chip fabrication process, which is less expensive"

Yay! Cheaper iPhones ..........right?
Buy AAPL shares and you can justify that buying a new phone every year comes back to you in the form of increased share value.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: gusmula
For general consumer use Apple Silicon is way way way powerful enough as it is. Other system components are the bottleneck, storage capacity/speed and RAM. It’s weirdly massively overlooked and skimped on.

It reminds me of the PC/Mac industry during the switch from hard drives to solid state. Processors were getting faster and faster but the limiting factor was storage speed.

We have a situation where some iPads for sale only have 4 GB RAM but a SoC that is super powerful, and will be for years to come. It’s not a balanced spec.

I suspect it’s the marketing they want… Axx, Mxx…. Talking about storage and memory isn’t so exciting

The only positive is that iOS is generally very efficient with memory… with the little Apple gave it to work with. And that they are still being sold means that support will still be there in years to come. But they are skimping on RAM and always have done.
 
  • Like
Reactions: UltimaKilo
"N3E is TSMC's second-generation 3nm chip fabrication process, which is less expensive"

Yay! Cheaper iPhones ..........right?
It might help keep iPhone prices down. For example, it might give the bean counters at Apple more reason to include the newest CPU / SoC in the non-Pro iPhone models instead of the A16 in the iPhone 15 (versus the A17 in the 15 Pro).
 
It might help keep iPhone prices down. For example, it might give the bean counters at Apple more reason to include the newest CPU / SoC in the non-Pro iPhone models instead of the A16 in the iPhone 15 (versus the A17 in the 15 Pro).
Sometimes older nodes can work out more economical. More mature processes can lead to better yields.
 
Might end up being true. But the chips powering the future iPhone 17 models will still be very powerful and capable.
 
"N3E is TSMC's second-generation 3nm chip fabrication process, which is less expensive"

Yay! Cheaper iPhones ..........right?
I realize you’re not being serious, but (second generation) N3E is only less expensive relative to (first generation) N3/N3B. They’re both more expensive relative to previous nodes, past and present.

Assuming all of iPhone 16 is on N3E, then only iPhone Pro would benefit from that reduced cost, A18 non-Pro silicon costs would rise relative to the A16.
 
  • Like
Reactions: retrocool
What is the fascination with die sizes. Everyone puts sooo much stock into N3E. N3B, 2nm, 3nm. 0.1nm. does it really make that much of a difference. I remember when users didn't care at all about the SoC.

Now "Oh M4 Max has to to have "X" nm die or its over."
 
  • Like
Reactions: gusmula and jgleigh
claims to have 25 years of experience in the integrated circuit industry, including work on Intel's Pentium processors
25 years of experience or experience 25 years ago?

What I'll find more interesting is whether the rise in financial power of Nvidia and AMD affect Apple's access to TSMC supply.
 
I mean, none of this matters because iOS doesn't even push these chips to their limits.

Give me more RAM ffs, so sick of reloading apps and safari on a £1000+ device every time I either look at an email or lock my phone for 1 minute.

Cheap Tim.
it’s not cheap Tim. the ram options are there to buy.
 
I mean, none of this matters because iOS doesn't even push these chips to their limits.

Give me more RAM ffs, so sick of reloading apps and safari on a £1000+ device every time I either look at an email or lock my phone for 1 minute.

Cheap Tim.
If you yell loud enough, Apple may offer RAM upgrades from $400 on up.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: SmugMaverick
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.