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1. Wake up one morning 12/4 and the cell receiver on my iphone 7 128 is dead--but at least it can be backed up. it's outside of warranty. There has been no recent water exposure (and never under an inch of water anyway) and no drops within 2-3 weeks
2. bring to apple store, they say "oh yes, it's a known issue and there's a recall, we'll replace it within 1 week (as in come back in 7 days and it'll be here), give you a loaner phone with 1/4 the capacity so you can't restore from backup." Phone is documented by the apple "Genius" as having NO outward damage, backed up, we turned find my iphone off -- in short, phone was working apart from the cell access and this was freaking documented
3. 10 days of no contact later you call, they say "repair is pending" and have no more information
4. 4 days later, still nothing, you call, they tell you they'll call back, they don't
5. day 16 they call, say once they opened the phone they found "damage" (the phone is outwardly immaculate, but whatever), will repair it for $350, you refuse
6. 3 days later (day 19) it's available for pickup
7. phone is now totally inaccessible, BRICKED -- only shows the "Cannot activate" warning and iTunes on computer can't do anything. no worries, it still turns on... good thing I backed it up before Apple totally broke it?
8. Decide to give apple another chance as they're offering double trade-in until 1/1/19 -- try and upgrade to an 8 using the now-bricked iphone 7 as a trade-in (since it's not outwardly broken). Wait in apple store 45 minutes to buy a phone. I even buy applecare because I assume it beats my verizon insurance which I can now drop.
9. Trade-in can't be done for reasons nobody knows -- it just says "UPGRADE BLOCKED, CONTACT 1800MYAPPLE" on their check-out gadget. They refer me to apple support but advise I walk away with the 8 at full price (I can get the trade-in credited later after I get things cleared up with apple home office)
10. Apple support transfers me 5 times (once to an outside company handling trade-ins), drops me once while on hold -- total time 90 minutes to find out I need to make the last 2 payments on the phone they broke before I can get the trade in. At least, that's their best guess as to why the upgrade is blocked.

At this point, not sure if I'm going to do insurance and file a damage claim "Apple says the phone is broken but it really isn't" with the $150 deductible, stick with the 7 and return the iPhone 8 in 14 days for full refund. Or should I pay off the phone and get the $250 (assuming that's why the upgrade is blocked--again, we have no idea)? I feel like even with the full-service AppleCare there's no assurance they wont totally screw me or give me some horrible runaround in the event something goes wrong. I simply do not trust Apple, and their telephone support is hooorrrribbblleee.

What a horrible experience. It also seems from the descriptions of other users that the initial problem was all Apple anyway (perhaps the iOS 12 update?). This has been at least 5-6 hours of my time I wont get back if you include driving across town to the nearest apple store and waiting. Also, I had to reconfigure 2 phones now, losing some chunks of data each time (thank god for IMAP). I'm trying not to fall victim to the sunk costs fallacy and I also REALLY don't want to have to jump through any more hoops. I'm already 4 hours into this just today.

Any advice?
 
A few years ago, I had a really bad experience dealing with a bad Fusion Drive on my Late 2012 iMac.

Long story short, I had to do many visits to an Apple Store to only have their HW Diagnostic tested say my Fusion Drive was fine and the "Geniuses" tell me that it was probably software related only to have the same issues come back.

Luckily, the Fusion Drive totally failed to the point that it wouldn't even boot into recovery mode nor their Diagnostic tool. This was after dealing with an unreliable Mac for almost a year, and 12 days left of my AC warranty.

The whole experience changed my opinion of Apple, their products, and their support. To be fair, after 2 decades of using Apple Products, Up until then I barely spoke with Apple support.

But that incident seem to have led to a new era of problems with Apple products and me having to contact Apple Support. I just think their quality has gone down hill.

I have talked to Apple Support more on the phone in the past 3 years than the previous 20 years combined.

Their phone Support is hit-or-miss. Sometimes I get knowledgeable reps, but I hate having to explain how Apple's products/services work to their own customer service reps.
 
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Cut your losses, return the iPhone 8, get a brand new XR/XS.

Honestly the time you’ll spend setting this straight is worth more than the $250 your phone is worth
LOL. So you're effectively saying that the OP should in fact reward Apple by spending more money with them. This is why we can't have nice, reliable Apple hardware anymore
 
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I'm trying not to take it personally. Everyone I spoke to at Apple, though unhelpful, were very nice and professional and doing their best. Apple doesn't need nor care about my money. If I vote with my wallet they literally could not care less. I consider this like a natural disaster or a blown hose on a car--just life.

I just want the most economical solution moving forward, and yes my time is very precious to me. I can't get back what I've lost. Apple has effectively bricked my iphone (which obviously I can never be 100% certain what happened, seems most likely though) and cost me hours of time. I would pay probably $50 to not have to go to the Apple store.

As for the iPhone X -- If they bricked my 7 (which was basically an upgraded 6s) then blamed me for it, why would I allow myself to be a beta tester and pay (a lot) extra for features I don't need nor want (Plus I prefer finger print, I bet they'll bring it back when they figure out to put it behind the screen). We've already established they'll find any excuse to get out of replacement.

Cut your losses, return the iPhone 8, get a brand new XR/XS.

Honestly the time you’ll spend setting this straight is worth more than the $250 your phone is worth

LOL. So you're effectively saying that the OP should in fact reward Apple by spending more money with them. This is why we can't have nice, reliable Apple hardware anymore
[doublepost=1546176260][/doublepost]UPDATE: I used ReiBoot to get the 7 into recovery mode, then used iTunes to update it and guess what? Cell service is back on line. What the actual bleep??!? We'll see if it can remain connected.

If this is a software issue I swear I'm going to blow a gasket.
 
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Glad you're up and running. The 7 has had cell reception problems since literally day one. Honestly, as the owner of a 7 (actually, counting returns, at least half a dozen 7s), it was a great pocket computer but a lousy telephone.
 
I’ve never had a problem with my iPhone 7s I’ve had a Rose Gold one from new for 25 months and last month I fancied a colour change and decided to swap to a Jet black one!

There really good phones!
 
Totally agree, and my 7 was working great for nearly 2 years--which is a good thing, because dealing with apple support has been a nightmare. I'm just wondering when Apple will release the next update that may brick it again. Just scroll to the bottom and read the "similar threads" -- many people are having this problem and this isn't a minor one. I've come to literally rely on my phone for nearly all communication.

I do think Apple makes the best phones, but even the best technology can have problems. That's what support is for, and the way you're treated should be a consideration for all products that have a decent potential for failure (I'm not about to pay extra to get a warranty on a hammer, for instance).

Maybe I should keep my 7 around as a backup? What an expensive solution to Apple's problems.

I’ve never had a problem with my iPhone 7s I’ve had a Rose Gold one from new for 25 months and last month I fancied a colour change and decided to swap to a Jet black one!

There really good phones!
 
Totally agree, and my 7 was working great for nearly 2 years--which is a good thing, because dealing with apple support has been a nightmare. I'm just wondering when Apple will release the next update that may brick it again. Just scroll to the bottom and read the "similar threads" -- many people are having this problem and this isn't a minor one. I've come to literally rely on my phone for nearly all communication.

I do think Apple makes the best phones, but even the best technology can have problems. That's what support is for, and the way you're treated should be a consideration for all products that have a decent potential for failure (I'm not about to pay extra to get a warranty on a hammer, for instance).

Maybe I should keep my 7 around as a backup? What an expensive solution to Apple's problems.
Apple will stop selling the iPhone 7 later this year so I expect they will launch killer updates to bin it of from there I will just watch and learn I think but hopefully if my debts are paid I might go for a new phone!

I’ve never really experienced any iOS faults with my 7s

Tbh the only phone I used to have to keep taking into Apple years ago for replacements was my 4s I think I had 2 replacements for something crazy like iOS issues or battery issues lol
 
OP I’m glad your iPhone is back up and running. Hopefully it stays that way.
 
UPDATE2: After a couple days, the "No SERVICE" bug returned. Some incredibly crazy developments though:

1. I found out that the guy who called me from the store telling me about the supposed "[accidental] Internal damage" was WRONG. According to apple corporate's repair notes, The reason Apple did not recall the phone for free (as they should have) was because the tech MISTAKENLY labeled my phone as having been serviced by an unauthorized dealer -- that 3rd party mods had been done to my phone (the clerk suggested possibly a swap of the finger print sensor but could not be sure as the notes were not specific)

- THIS NEVER HAPPENED. I bought my phone NEW, in box, wrapped in plastic wrap from verizon about 2 years ago.
- I have NEVER had it serviced by anyone prior to early December when I dropped it off with apple support for the recall-- it has it's original battery, screen, etc. I keep it in a case as I have since day 1.
- Apple has therefore refused to fix their mistake based on a FALSE PREMISE
- Even if I HAD the phone serviced, federal law states Apple must not penalize me unless the damage necessitating their repair was done to the phone during the 3rd party modification/repair (which once again, did not occur)
- So, to summarize: Apple broke my phone, gave a false reason not to fix their mistake. I'm not saying this was on purpose and don't suspect it was, but it honestly wouldn't matter if it was.
2. So obviously arguing the above point would be pointless and Given the 7 is now useless again, I decided finally to trade in my 128gb iphone 7 for $250 under the current deal and keep the 256gb iphone 8. I paid off my iphone 7 and made sure it was unlocked through verizon but apple's check-out gadget STILL refused to allow the trade-in. This was, according to them, not due to the previous repair and due to some interconnection problem between verizon's records and Apple's check-out gadget. However, the very-polite people at the apple store took responsibility and credited me $250 and let me keep my old iPhone 7!

Tallying up all the hours, headache, and dollars spent, I'm out about $550 incl tax, my iphone 7 is broken (and presumably apple wont fix it), at least 8 hours of time including driving to the apple store 3 times and pacing around on the mall talking to apple support and verizon on the phone (for the record: verizon was an INFINITELY better experience). However, I now own an iPhone 8 which has double the space but is otherwise identical to my iPhone 7 (apart from Apple hasn't bricked it yet) in any way that could matter to me.

It may be just low expectations but I'm happy. I may try and sell my 7 to one of those cash for phones websites, I think I can get $180 for it. I'd once again reiterate that every apple employee I spoke with was professional and courteous, and they did everything they could to help. I would have preferred to have never had this experience though. I am significantly worse off and clearly all the crap I went through was all on Apple's end.
 
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