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No laptop updates till fall/autumn right?

daneoni

daneoni

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A friend of mine wants to get the high end 15" MBP but wants to wait for Leopard (don't really see the point but there). Anyhue we don't want to have him buy a machine only to have updates announced a month later.

Im thinking we won't see MBP/MB updates till around Oct-ish when Santa Rosa would hopefully be out right? BUT then again again maybe he should in fact wait for updates, given the display issues on the MBP lines. Then again who knows what issues the new updates might bring with them.

The line i see being updated right now is the iMac/MacPro line and possibly the MacMini and Cinema Displays.

Also i'd like to think Leopard would've been released before WWDC right? i.e an April release or something

I dunno...what do you guys think, should he go ahead or wait for a revision?.
 
Santa Rosa will be released by Intel on May 9. I would expect laptop updates from most manufacturers by June or July, since the platform is not significantly different from Merom in terms of motherboard architecture.
 
mrogers said:
Santa Rosa will be released by Intel on May 9. I would expect laptop updates from most manufacturers by June or July, since the platform is not significantly different from Merom in terms of motherboard architecture.
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I keep seeing people throw out May 8 or May 9 as "Santa Rosa Day". Has Intel announced this date, and if so where can I see that announcement?
 
If it's anything like when the Core 2 Duo was released last year, you'll probably see Santa Rosa show up in the MB and MBP 2-3 months after Intel announces it's ready (which would put it in the July/August time frame). Based on actual recent history, that would be the best educated guess since nobody outside of Apple knows for sure.
 
Ahh, ok. So someone decided that sounded like a good day and put it in there. If you follow the reference to the article, nowhere does it say anything about an actual date, just that products using the platform will be available by July.

Thanks, just making sure I didn't miss the big announcement. :D
 
right.

no updates until fall...just in time for back to school.
Apple will have a "free nano" edu. promo, over the summer, but not sure if that's really worth waiting for.

And yes, the current MBP LCD's are awful. 'Tis why I returned mine.
 
ready2switch said:
Ahh, ok. So someone decided that sounded like a good day and put it in there. If you follow the reference to the article, nowhere does it say anything about an actual date, just that products using the platform will be available by July.

Thanks, just making sure I didn't miss the big announcement. :D
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There's been several articles from reputable sources that indicate the beginning of May or May 9 specifically.
 
djkny said:
no updates until fall...just in time for back to school.
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I doubt that. That would make a solid year for the MBPs, and over 8 months for the macbooks.

it is true that there are not currently chips available to replace the merom chips in there now, so updates can't be for a while yet. But when new chips become available, I'd expect to see updates fairly quickly.
 
June 11 SF WWDC SteveNote Will Introduce Next Gen MacBook/Pros

daneoni said:
A friend of mine wants to get the high end 15" MBP but wants to wait for Leopard (don't really see the point but there). Anyhue we don't want to have him buy a machine only to have updates announced a month later.

Im thinking we won't see MBP/MB updates till around Oct-ish when Santa Rosa would hopefully be out right?
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No that's NOT right. Santa Rosa is released May 9.
daneoni said:
BUT then again again maybe he should in fact wait for updates, given the display issues on the MBP lines. Then again who knows what issues the new updates might bring with them.
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Apple does plenty of testing to make sure there are few issues. You're worrying over Phantom Issues. It's all in your imagination there will be a lot of problems.
daneoni said:
The line i see being updated right now is the iMac/MacPro line and possibly the MacMini and Cinema Displays.
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No. It's the entire line this Spring. Total makeover by Summer.
daneoni said:
Also i'd like to think Leopard would've been released before WWDC right? i.e an April release or something
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April or May yes.
daneoni said:
I dunno...what do you guys think, should he go ahead or wait for a revision?.
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WAIT! June 11 SF WWDC SteveNote Will Introduce Next Gen MacBook/Pros - Certinaly NOT Fall. No Way that long. June 11 for sure at the latest.
Lancetx said:
If it's anything like when the Core 2 Duo was released last year, you'll probably see Santa Rosa show up in the MB and MBP 2-3 months after Intel announces it's ready (which would put it in the July/August time frame). Based on actual recent history, that would be the best educated guess since nobody outside of Apple knows for sure.
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OK. But Steve can still introduce them June 11 and say "Shipping Next Month" or "Shipping this Summer" YOUR WORST CASE scenario.
 
Re: Santa Rosa
mrogers said:
There's been several articles from reputable sources that indicate the beginning of May or May 9 specifically.
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And for that matter, Acer, Asustek and Samsung have already demoed new laptops using Santa Rosa technology. Reportedly these firm's new Santa Rosa laptops will be available in May...

I really don't think Apple will take "months" to release a series of new Macs featuring Santa Rosa technology. Apple has captured a good chunk of the notebook market, which means all of the laptop makers will be gunning for Apple this time around. To remain competitive in the market, Apple needs to release its new Santa Rosa notebooks ASAP.
 
Lancetx said:
If it's anything like when the Core 2 Duo was released last year, you'll probably see Santa Rosa show up in the MB and MBP 2-3 months after Intel announces it's ready (which would put it in the July/August time frame). Based on actual recent history, that would be the best educated guess since nobody outside of Apple knows for sure.
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i completely agree. core 2 duo laptops started to appear around labor day, with macbook pros following almost two months after and macbooks two weeks after that. yet there are too many people here who are so sure new laptops will be out by wwdc in june or maybe even may, leading others to think so, too. if apple doesn't deliver by wwdc, there are going to be a lot of angry people on these forums. i'm all for hoping for the best, but i want to keep things as real as possible.
 
I would be furious. I would draw a picture of Steve Jobs and yell at it and stab it with scissors and then burn it. And then I'd sit around and wait for the next update so I can give Apple all my money.

Last time there was a lag between the PC Core 2 Duos and the Mac systems, but this time there may not be because hopefully Apple has more Intel integration experience and can reduce their time to market. But you never really know.
 
I have read many opinions in the weekly (or less) thread on this subject. The one that made the most sense to me was:

1) If any upgrades to the MB/MBP happen before August, it will probably be a minor speed jump, and/or 1GB standard RAM, ...

2.) Probable release of significance for the 'off-to-school' market. Apple may announce as early as 45-60 days out in order to keep the interest high, prior to them ramping up production.

I do not have an opinion, but this seems like pretty straight-forward logic to me.
 
I don't know, I think the dynamic is a little different now because Apple has to respond to the competition in the PC notebook market at least somewhat. I don't think they can just wait for back to school or whatever when other competitors are selling Santa Rosa laptops.

Also remember that Apple has a reputation for leading the market on technology - CD burning, Superdrive, Wireless, bluetooth, etc. They give up that reputation if they start lagging the PC market.

That's why I think that Apple will eventually have a policy of at least announcing new Intel-related technologies at just about the same time their competitors do or shortly after. I don't know if this will be the case for Santa Rosa laptops - Apple is still learning how to engineer PCs I think - but I like to think that it will be.
 
Tell me what you think of this:

Indeed, most flash memory wears out, current SLC memories fail after 100,000 read/write cycles, which is far less than current hard disk drives liability to bad blocks/sectors. If such memory is to be used as cache, error correction and wear-leveling algorithms will have to be used to extend the life of the memory beyond that of the laptop.​
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this is referring to the flash ram integrated into the Santa Rosa chipset.
My worry is the flash ram technology won't have at least 5 years of testing before it's released. How will my new mbp act in 5 years when the flash ram slowly dies over time?
 
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