Not a single thread on launch of Vision OS 26?

[Simmias]

I’m a bit shocked that Vision OS 26 came out on September 15, and no one is even discussing it. I understand that many Vision Pro users downloaded the beta over the summer, but typically the official release of a new OS version is a significant event in Apple land. Maybe this speaks to how how small and niche the Vision Pro community still is at this point.

Overall, it’s been a nice upgrade and increased my Vision Pro usage:

-New Jupiter environment is stunning. Definitely take the VR aspects of AVP to the next level.
-Widgets are useful and have a lot of potential. I’d like to see more app support (of course), but just having a time and weather available at a glance is a nice improvement.
-New personas are impressive step forward, especially without any hardware changes
-Immersive browsing is interesting, but I prefer being able to multitask when I browse, and there’s not enough 3D content to be worth leaving on
-Shared experiences look cool, but I don’t know anyone else with a Vision Pro

Great to see the ecosystem making strides. I remain a big fan of the Vision Pro despite it’s current limitations and can’t wait to see the next generation of hardware.

 

[Simmias]

RIP Vision Pro forum

 

[SteveDmbp]

RIP Vision Pro forum

Real pity, I'm lurking on here to gain information as I'm tempted to buy AVP if there is an M4/5 upgrade and some minor upgrades to functionality / possibility of more apps

 

[Piggie]

Sadly, the recent rumour/news that Apple has pulled almost all? of it's team off the new lighter Apple Vision and onto Smart Glasses to compete with Meta is not going to help.
If you were looking at buying a Vision Pro and wanted to feel assurance that the company was 100% focussed on it, or you are a developer considering how much time and money you devote to coding for it.
Having the company, pull almost? the whole team off the project (but they may return after a few years)
Is not the signal you want to give.

Sort of tells you, well let's wait and see.

Yes, I want to see Meta type glasses from Apple, but I also want to see the next Apple Vision also, with a clear future of new products.

Nothing feels very clear right now, and it's going to be possibly 2 or 3 years before we see anything in the Smart Glasses space, when then pushes the Vision headset so far away it's almost not worth thinking about

 

[Simmias]

The rumors are nonsense designed to fit a pre-determined narrative about Meta rising up to overtake Apple as a hardware maker. Apple just did a major OS update that indicates they are full steam ahead on Vision OS. Anyone who thinks Apple is not hard at work on a successor to Vision Pro is believing sketchy rumors over Apple's obvious public words and actions. It's also silly to believe that Apple stops and starts hardware projects and changes their mind at the pace these rumors suggest. They have development cycles that are years long - the successor to Vision Pro was likely planned and committed long before the Vision Pro even went on sale. Trust Apple, not Gurman - they are committed to spatial computing and not chasing anything Meta is doing.

 

[richinaus]

Sadly, the recent rumour/news that Apple has pulled almost all? of it's team off the new lighter Apple Vision and onto Smart Glasses to compete with Meta is not going to help.
If you were looking at buying a Vision Pro and wanted to feel assurance that the company was 100% focussed on it, or you are a developer considering how much time and money you devote to coding for it.
Having the company, pull almost? the whole team off the project (but they may return after a few years)
Is not the signal you want to give.

Sort of tells you, well let's wait and see.

Yes, I want to see Meta type glasses from Apple, but I also want to see the next Apple Vision also, with a clear future of new products.

Nothing feels very clear right now, and it's going to be possibly 2 or 3 years before we see anything in the Smart Glasses space, when then pushes the Vision headset so far away it's almost not worth thinking about

I am not convinced the rumour is 100% correct, but we will see. However there is crossover between glasses and VP so any work on the glasses in regards to AI is beneficial and transferrable to the VP. I am unsure though how a company like Apple are unable to develop both lighter weight VP and the glasses at the same time [which I think they will].

 

[Piggie]

It's all rumour of course.

It is of course very logical that Apple have seen the surprising positivity of what Meta currently offers, and does not want them to get too strong a foothold in a new sector, so they could well have brough forward their original schedule for a launch, and also put more people to work on it to make this a reality.

Whether those people WERE all working on the new Vision Pro/Air is of course guesswork for us all.

Perhaps it would be good for Apple to be more vocal about the Vison Pro to the general public, and of course show off the new M5 versions abilities in the next month or so, to show their on-going commitment.

Keeping quiet and saying nothing does not give of good vibes for the product and follow on products.

 

[SteveDmbp]

To me it seems lightweight glasses and Vision Pro are two very different products.
Hard for me to believe Apple would even consider abandoning Vision Pro so early......I'd imagine the original MacBook Air sold in tiny numbers in comparison to what it sells now.

The Meta glasses have caught my interest, not sure how useful the Rayban Wayfarer Display versions will be at the moment but interesting to see where that version goes.
I'm more interested in the non display version.I mountain bike daily and have seen many people post footage from their Gen 1 Meta Rayban wayfarers so when I saw the Oakley Vanguard I felt they might me good for me in terms of the ease of use to record a video clip and the open ear headphones.

For the Vision Pro the curved Mac Virtual Display and the movie watching aspects interest me most. A few months ago I had the in store 30min demonstration and found the user interface incredibly intuitive. They did feel are heavy on my face using only the knitted strap. I'll be very tempted if they release a spec bumped update.

 

[axantas]

You are absolutely right Simmias. VisionOS 26 is not really present here. I already use it since the first Beta. It is impressive, what Apple did.

In general it is not something absolutely different, it works flawlessly since day 1 of the Beta.

- The Jupiter environment is scaringly fascinating. That planet is just too big to live on one of its moons. Does anyone know on which moon we are living there? (EDIT - I answer myself: Amalthea it is) I furthermore suspect, that the environment is not steady, but changes according the real world.
- The sticky widgets are something to have a look at too. Put furniture and stuff in your room without putting it in reality. If I were IKEA....

Thanks for the hint with the new persona - I did have my "bad hair day" when I used it the first time, skipped that step and forgot about it. Will redo asap.

What I still not like: My own 3D movies in that cloudy window. Its not really a joy.

BTW: I would like to try personas - if you are interested in a virtual meeting, Simmias...

 

[JPack]

The rumors are nonsense designed to fit a pre-determined narrative about Meta rising up to overtake Apple as a hardware maker. Apple just did a major OS update that indicates they are full steam ahead on Vision OS. Anyone who thinks Apple is not hard at work on a successor to Vision Pro is believing sketchy rumors over Apple's obvious public words and actions. It's also silly to believe that Apple stops and starts hardware projects and changes their mind at the pace these rumors suggest. They have development cycles that are years long - the successor to Vision Pro was likely planned and committed long before the Vision Pro even went on sale. Trust Apple, not Gurman - they are committed to spatial computing and not chasing anything Meta is doing.

Much of the work on visionOS can be carried over to the glasses.

Vision Pro is a brand new category for Apple. Do you really expect Apple to lock in VP2 years ahead without public feedback? With zero possibility of cancellation?

Even for a mature category like iPhone, Apple failed with the mini.

The Vision Pro form factor has clearly failed to gain public acceptance. Continuing work on Vision Pro 2 would be nuts. For iPhone, Apple recognized this and pivoted to Plus, and now to Air.

 

[Tilli85]

The Vision Pro form factor has clearly failed to gain public acceptance. Continuing work on Vision Pro 2 would be nuts.

Well, I remember the first Apple Watch. People were like: "this is not a watch", "it’s ugly", "why do you wear a computer on your arm" and so on.

It took a couple of generations to archive social acceptance. And Apple wasn’t even sure how to market the first Apple Watch (hence the three versions including Sport and Edition).

My take on the Vision Pro / Apple Glasses rumor: they shifted from the Vision Air to the glasses, because it is easier to get people into the AR world. This has nothing to do with the Vision Pro. A successor to the M5 version could be delayed a bit, but I don’t think that they abandon the entire product category.

 

[JPack]

Well, I remember the first Apple Watch. People were like: "this is not a watch", "it’s ugly", "why do you wear a computer on your arm" and so on.

It took a couple of generations to archive social acceptance. And Apple wasn’t even sure how to market the first Apple Watch (hence the three versions including Sport and Edition).

My take on the Vision Pro / Apple Glasses rumor: they shifted from the Vision Air to the glasses, because it is easier to get people into the AR world. This has nothing to do with the Vision Pro. A successor to the M5 version could be delayed a bit, but I don’t think that they abandon the entire product category.

I have no idea where you were living in 2015. The Watch sold out within minutes.

People have been wearing digital watches for the past 50 years. Nobody questioned the social acceptance of wearing a smartwatch. It was cool and it also served as jewelry. People weren't willing to pay $10,000 for it, which is why the Edition failed. But people were willing to pay up to $1,000, which is why the Hermes version remains successful.

The Apple Watch was 'largely sold out' in just 10 minutes

It didn't take long for Apple Watch preorders to sell out.

www.businessinsider.com

Nobody wants to wear Vision Pro. It's difficult to put on, bulky, and you have wear a battery belt. Most importantly, it makes the user unapproachable to others. It's a loner experience with no killer app. Whether it has M4 or M6, is heavy or light, costs $2,000 or $3,500 is irrelevant. People don't want to be completely consumed and cut off from others. Glasses make all the difference.

Vision Pro is like the Newton series, technologically innovative but a commercial failure. The real success will be the lessons learned to create the iPhone and iPad.

 

[SteveDmbp]

I have no idea where you were living in 2015. The Watch sold out within minutes.

People have been wearing digital watches for the past 50 years. Nobody questioned the social acceptance of wearing a smartwatch. It was cool and it also served as jewelry. People weren't willing to pay $10,000 for it, which is why the Edition failed. But people were willing to pay up to $1,000, which is why the Hermes version remains successful.

The Apple Watch was 'largely sold out' in just 10 minutes

It didn't take long for Apple Watch preorders to sell out.

www.businessinsider.com

Nobody wants to wear Vision Pro. It's difficult to put on, bulky, and you have wear a battery belt. Most importantly, it makes the user unapproachable to others. It's a loner experience with no killer app. Whether it has M4 or M6, is heavy or light, costs $2,000 or $3,500 is irrelevant. People don't want to be completely consumed and cut off from others. Glasses make all the difference.

Vision Pro is like the Newton series, technologically innovative but a commercial failure. The real success will be the lessons learned to create the iPhone and iPad.

Sounds your mind is made up for sure

 

[axantas]

I have no idea where you were living in 2015. The Watch sold out within minutes.

People have been wearing digital watches for the past 50 years. Nobody questioned the social acceptance of wearing a smartwatch. It was cool and it also served as jewelry. People weren't willing to pay $10,000 for it, which is why the Edition failed. But people were willing to pay up to $1,000, which is why the Hermes version remains successful.

The Apple Watch was 'largely sold out' in just 10 minutes

It didn't take long for Apple Watch preorders to sell out.

www.businessinsider.com

Nobody wants to wear Vision Pro. It's difficult to put on, bulky, and you have wear a battery belt. Most importantly, it makes the user unapproachable to others. It's a loner experience with no killer app. Whether it has M4 or M6, is heavy or light, costs $2,000 or $3,500 is irrelevant. People don't want to be completely consumed and cut off from others. Glasses make all the difference.

Vision Pro is like the Newton series, technologically innovative but a commercial failure. The real success will be the lessons learned to create the iPhone and iPad.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/09/apple-watch-might-still-flop-heres-why.html

About the success and the future of the Apple Watch in 2015.
An almost 100% flop.

 

[JPack]

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/09/apple-watch-might-still-flop-heres-why.html

About the success and the future of the Apple Watch in 2015.
An almost 100% flop.

That article was written even before the Watch was available to the public.

On the other hand, we're nearly two years post-launch for Vision Pro.

 

[axantas]

That article was written even before the Watch was available to the public.

On the other hand, we're nearly two years post-launch for Vision Pro.

Ok - you win. The AVP is a useless, bulky gadget, no one wants. I will keep mine, because I like it.

 

[Roller]

Nobody wants to wear Vision Pro. It's difficult to put on, bulky, and you have wear a battery belt. Most importantly, it makes the user unapproachable to others. It's a loner experience with no killer app. Whether it has M4 or M6, is heavy or light, costs $2,000 or $3,500 is irrelevant. People don't want to be completely consumed and cut off from others. Glasses make all the difference.

Vision Pro is like the Newton series, technologically innovative but a commercial failure. The real success will be the lessons learned to create the iPhone and iPad.

Battery belt? You make it sound as if the AVP is always used standing up. It can be used that way, but it's more often used while seated, whether for watching content or for work. I place the battery on my chair, table, or in my pocket.

Cut off from others? There are times when doing either activity in the company of other people is appropriate, but there are also times when doing them alone is fine.

You and the other usual suspects here who bash the AVP love to make absolute statements like "nobody wants to wear Vision Pro." Y'all just can't or won't accept that there are reasonable people who have legitimate use cases for it and are satisfied with their purchase, even if we acknowledge that it can be improved, which is true of every Apple product.