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Oh no....its true...Intel switch, for those watching WWDC
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I fail to see what the issue is with switching to Intel. What exactly are you concerned about? The CPU chip is not what defines the Mac experience. Intel (and AMD) make very good chips, and I see cheaper & faster Macs in our future. No dependency on IBM either - having worked at IBM for a few years, I wouldn't trust them an inch.
I agree.
Megahertz Myth aside, these chips are just plain slower than Intel and after years of defending myself, I'm ready to have both the fastest chip AND the best operating system.
Had IBM crapped out a 3Ghz chip last year, we'd be in good shape, but they haven't, and now my 2 year old Powerbook is still 500MHz slower than the top of the line.
Megahertz Myth aside, these chips are just plain slower than Intel and after years of defending myself, I'm ready to have both the fastest chip AND the best operating system.
Had IBM crapped out a 3Ghz chip last year, we'd be in good shape, but they haven't, and now my 2 year old Powerbook is still 500MHz slower than the top of the line.
I don't understand what the big deal is ... Steve was using it the whole time and nobody noticed. There's no noticeable slowdown in apps for the most part. So why worry? Just because it's Intel?
Sounds like being plain elitist.
Sounds like being plain elitist.
I think the main fear here is how does Apple plan to complete the transition to x86? What will happen to PPC based Macs after 2006? How long will Apple, and more importantly, 3rd-party software vendors continue to support PPC Macs?Tamer Brad said:
Without a definative roadmap from Apple, I will be delaying my next Mac purchase until after the x86 transition. I kinda feel guilty now convincing my sister to switch to the iMac a couple of months ago. If her iMac isn't upgradeable after 2006, then she's going to be pissed. Hopefully, she won't catch on.
ftaok said:I think the main fear here is how does Apple plan to complete the transition to x86? What will happen to PPC based Macs after 2006? How long will Apple, and more importantly, 3rd-party software vendors continue to support PPC Macs?
Without a definative roadmap from Apple, I will be delaying my next Mac purchase until after the x86 transition. I kinda feel guilty now convincing my sister to switch to the iMac a couple of months ago. If her iMac isn't upgradeable after 2006, then she's going to be pissed. Hopefully, she won't catch on.
Apple knows what they're doing. They're not going to do this unless they're absolutely sure it will work.
Simple as that.
ftaok said:Without a definative roadmap from Apple, I will be delaying my next Mac purchase until after the x86 transition. I kinda feel guilty now convincing my sister to switch to the iMac a couple of months ago. If her iMac isn't upgradeable after 2006, then she's going to be pissed. Hopefully, she won't catch on.
Obviously they wouldn't do that.
Were you around during the PPC switch? Apps became "Fat", which meant they had compiled binaries for both types of chips.
In the macrumorslive page, they mention "Universal Binaries", which I assume are the same sort of thing. A single application will run on an Intel + IBM chips.
I'm sure they know exactly what they're doing. I just want to be in the loop.Tamer Brad said:
Anyways, I read some of the keynote and they're talking about dual-binaries. Sounds like the Fat-Binaries from the 68k to PPC switch. I just wonder how long Apple will continue to support the PPC Macs. That's my biggest question.
I'm sure Apple's software (OS X, iLife, etc.) will be compiled for both PPC and x86. It looks like Adobe is on board as well. But what about Microsoft? Will they code Office in this Universal Binary? Will x86 Macs be able to run software designed for PPC (like Toast Titanium 5, Photoshop Elements 2, etc) that I really don't want to re-buy?
I suppose Apple will release more details in the upcoming days. Should probably answer all questions that we Mac users have.
What the fu...ngus are they gonna sell from now until 2007...?
Apart from a few desperate souls, whose Mac break down (touch wood), who in their right mind will buy any new Mac untill Rev. B (or even C) of those new IntelMacs...? (unless Rev. A crashes and burns completely and Apple is reduced to a vague memory along with other dead or dying computer manufacturers... (remember Commodore, anyone?))
This may turn out to be a very sad day...
...but, I would love to be proven wrong, and that by some kind of miracle this is what it takes to take Apple up to 20% market share (of new systems) and in the long run break Microsoft's evil spell of the world...
Apart from a few desperate souls, whose Mac break down (touch wood), who in their right mind will buy any new Mac untill Rev. B (or even C) of those new IntelMacs...? (unless Rev. A crashes and burns completely and Apple is reduced to a vague memory along with other dead or dying computer manufacturers... (remember Commodore, anyone?))
This may turn out to be a very sad day...
...but, I would love to be proven wrong, and that by some kind of miracle this is what it takes to take Apple up to 20% market share (of new systems) and in the long run break Microsoft's evil spell of the world...
I've got to imagine that VPC just got a *****load faster, hopefully just as fast as VPC in Windows.
Yeah, I caught that after posting earlier. While Apple and their close vendors will code with Universal Binaries, what about other vendors. Like Roxio and Microsoft? I have current software like Toast 4, Photoshop Elements 2, Quicken2004 and Office 2004 which are coded for PPC. If I buy an x86 Mac, I'd like to be able to move my software over, but it doens't look like I can. Unless x86 Macs can run PPC software under emulation or something.mainstreetmark said:
BTW, I was around during the first transition from 68k to PPC. I had an LC575 then and did not upgrade to PPC. I graduated college and bought a Win95 Toshiba laptop. I came back to Macs with the white iBook (2001). Overall, I was away for about 4 years.
I have one question if someone could PLEASE answer it for me:
1. I read the IRC and read the updates, so has anyone figured out, HOW WILL APPLE PREVENT DELL AND HP from running Tiger on existing PC's?
2. Will apple quit making hardware? how will it differ, aside from physically, from other Wintel boxes?
I dont think Steve layed out a plan to keep Apple different from regular old dell boxes.
please explain.
trout
1. I read the IRC and read the updates, so has anyone figured out, HOW WILL APPLE PREVENT DELL AND HP from running Tiger on existing PC's?
2. Will apple quit making hardware? how will it differ, aside from physically, from other Wintel boxes?
I dont think Steve layed out a plan to keep Apple different from regular old dell boxes.
please explain.
trout
Would switching to x86 processors open up OS X to any type of "Windows" virus? Or does the OS you're running decide that?
oumdaddy said:
Most of the application will not require re-coding, just a re-compile. However there are optimizations that are implemented that will have to be adjusted for the new architecture (Altivec). There is also the potential that any portion of the program concerned with memory accesses may need tweaking due to the differences in how PPC and Intel store data in memory (many compilers take care of this but I'm sure it isn't perfect).
I'm a bit disillusioned at the moment and am not sure what to make of it all...
I don't think anyone has said it officially, but it would be very easy for Apple to prevent OS X running on non-Apple x86 machines. Just require some sort of ROM chip to allow for booting of OS X. Of course, some enterprising engineer will probably figure out a way to get around that somehow.Trout74 said:
What next? Microsoft to switch to PPC?
I was going to switch later this month, looks like i wont, knowing that we will be getting 3ghz + macs next year
I was going to switch later this month, looks like i wont, knowing that we will be getting 3ghz + macs next year
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
No revenue shortage - everyone will be buying Applecare so that they don't have to replace their Mac until the Mactels are established!
Uma888 said:
What about the Megahertz Myth? Aren't 2Ghz Mac's (G5's) just as fast as a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4?
Mitthrawnuruodo said:What the fu...ngus are they gonna sell from now until 2007...?
Apart from a few desperate souls, whose Mac break down (touch wood), who in their right mind will buy any new Mac untill Rev. B (or even C) of those new IntelMacs...? (unless Rev. A crashes and burns completely and Apple is reduced to a vague memory along with other dead or dying computer manufacturers... (remember Commodore, anyone?))
This may turn out to be a very sad day...
...but, I would love to be proven wrong, and that by some kind of miracle this is what it takes to take Apple up to 20% market share (of new systems) and in the long run break Microsoft's evil spell of the world...
This really is the trick, isn't it? Who in their right mind would buy an Apple right now? Sure as hell not me. I knew I was smart to stick by my old Sawtooth G4. No G5 for me! I'll get a Mactel I guess.
sethypoo said:
No it wouldnt as OS X is secure not the hardware, so long as the operating system stays secure macs will remain virus and malware free. so the transition to intel will not cause these kind of problems.
Shadow