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http://www.rense.com/general36/pce.htm

Oregon Bill Could Give LIFE
In Prison To Peace Protestors

From Louanne M. From Tom Atlee
3-23-3


Dear friends,
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This is serious and urgent. There is a clear and present danger to democracy in Oregon which could spread to other states.
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Senate Bill 742 proposed by Oregon State Senator Minnis (R-Dist. 25 / Fairview)(Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee) creates the crime of "terrorism" -- punishable by life imprisonment. Senator Minnis defines "terrorism" so broadly that even being present at a demonstration that is in any way "disruptive" could result in life imprisonment.
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I have given the relevant sections of the bill below, as well as the link to the whole bill. I have also provided information from the American Civil Liberties Union regarding this, including contact information for the relevant Oregon State Senators.
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Ever since laws began to be passed criminalizing "terrorism," I have been concerned that its definition would be expanded to include anything that authorities wished to suppress which could then be subject to extreme punishment, laying the groundwork for serious suppression. It seems that is now happening. It must be energetically nipped in the bud if we are to prevent its spread.
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If this law passes in Oregon, it is highly likely that other states will pass similar laws, especially in the current political climate.
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I trust you will act if you feel so moved. Whether you are an Oregon resident or not, you can express your dismay to the Oregon State Senators listed below. If you are an Oregon resident you can, in addition, attend a hearing Monday morning Mar 24 in Salem, OR (specifics below).
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Coheartedly,
Tom
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PS: The law also sets aside (in terrorism cases) two other Oregon laws which prevent police from (a) spying on innocent people and organizations and (b) apprehending people solely for immigration violations. _
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Excerpts from the proposed law:
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http://pub.das.state.or.us/LEG_BILLS/PDFs/SB742.pdf
72nd OREGON LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY--2003 Regular Session Senate Bill 742 Sponsored by Senator MINNIS
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SUMMARY: Creates crime of terrorism. Punishes by life imprisonment.
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SECTION 1.
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(1) A person commits the crime of terrorism if the person knowingly plans, participates in or carries out any act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to disrupt: (a) The free and orderly assembly of the inhabitants of the State of Oregon; (b) Commerce or the transportation systems of the State of Oregon; or (c) The educational or governmental institutions of the State of Oregon or its inhabitants.
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(2) A person commits the crime of terrorism if the person conspires to do any of the activities described in subsection (1) of this section. .... (4) (a) A person convicted of terrorism shall be punished by imprisonment for life. (b) When a person is convicted of terrorism under this section, the court shall order that the person be confined for a minimum of 25 years without possibility of parole, release to post-prison supervision, release on work release or any form of temporary leave or employment at a forest or work camp....
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glad i dont live in oregon:(
 
wow... I would be very scared of that type of legislation, oh wait, thats called the Patriot act.

this seem pretty bad, bills are never so small to address such a big issue.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
wow... I would be very scared of that type of legislation, oh wait, thats called the Patriot act.

this seem pretty bad, bills are never so small to address such a big issue.
I thought it was the Homeland Security act that made our rights go poof...
 
I guess it's time to start writing more letters to our congressmen.

God, what an awful time in politics to be alive.

Dan
 
both the patriot act, and the homeland security act made *most* of our rights go "poof." the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003 will make the rest of them crash and burn. as much as i like to burn things, i certainly do not want my rights to be vaporized!
 
That's gotta be one of the worst pieces of legislation ever written! The way it reads, even the cops breaking up the protesters could be arrested for terrorism! Talk about over-reaching!
 
Well, if you're protesting peacefully, and aren't spitting on people, or wishing others to die, or breaking into military bases, or trashing property, or blocking traffic (without a permit, that is), you shouldn't have a problem.

The hippies in Austin Texas blocked traffic downtown after they were forced off the University because they didn't have a permit, then the police just watched as they unlawfully and illegally disrupted the infastructure of the city of Austin.

Damm hippies...

You have freedom of speech, and so does everybody else, but you don't have the freedom to break the law.

This bill just seems like it would enforce current laws more than they are enforced now. It seems as if they could arrest people in a mob or violent protest, although they couldn't lock them up for life, yet.
 
Originally posted by G4scott

This bill just seems like it would enforce current laws more than they are enforced now. It seems as if they could arrest people in a mob or violent protest, although they couldn't lock them up for life, yet.

You're telling me that you don't see this as EXTREME?! Enforce it some more, as I don't care to have the Bay Bridge blocked off when I am heading to school, but such levels of enforcement infringe on our rights as Americans. doesn't it seem kind of, oh what's the term..... Cruel and unusual for such a weak offense?

Dan
 
Originally posted by G4scott
Well, if you're protesting peacefully, and aren't spitting on people, or wishing others to die, or breaking into military bases, or trashing property, or blocking traffic (without a permit, that is), you shouldn't have a problem.

The hippies in Austin Texas blocked traffic downtown after they were forced off the University because they didn't have a permit, then the police just watched as they unlawfully and illegally disrupted the infastructure of the city of Austin.

Damm hippies...

You have freedom of speech, and so does everybody else, but you don't have the freedom to break the law.

This bill just seems like it would enforce current laws more than they are enforced now. It seems as if they could arrest people in a mob or violent protest, although they couldn't lock them up for life, yet.

Lets see, don't they have disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace of arresting protesters? Or are you saying the 1500 and 500 arrested in S.F. and Chicago were arrested illegally?

If you looked at the law, it states that the minimum sentance for this crime is 25 years without the possibility for parole! Damn! Thats a long time for blocking traffic, don't you think?

I agree that stopping traffic should be illegal. The thing is, it already is. And if it were made more illegal, do you really think 25 years to life is the appropriate punishment for it.

Well, at least it would stop those damn hippies from protesting and disagreeing with the brave and nobel government, eh? :rolleyes:

Taft
 
Originally posted by G4scott
Well, if you're protesting peacefully, and aren't spitting on people, or wishing others to die, or breaking into military bases, or trashing property, or blocking traffic (without a permit, that is), you shouldn't have a problem.

The hippies in Austin Texas blocked traffic downtown after they were forced off the University because they didn't have a permit, then the police just watched as they unlawfully and illegally disrupted the infastructure of the city of Austin.

Damm hippies...

You have freedom of speech, and so does everybody else, but you don't have the freedom to break the law.

This bill just seems like it would enforce current laws more than they are enforced now. It seems as if they could arrest people in a mob or violent protest, although they couldn't lock them up for life, yet.

I agree with everything except the hippies part. I've seen the new casts from all over the US and have seen very few hippies doin anything more then holding candles.

It's funny tho, protesters that violently protest a violent war. "Stop the war before I blow up this car and throw bricks thru those store front windows then bash that cop". Ah, protesting is protesting, but the violence just shows that protests have no argument, it's more of a civil uprising on a very small scale.

I'm all for freedom of speech, frightened that we keep loosing rights but we do have to close off a little to tighten up our protective sheild, however I don't think smashing cars, fighting with cops, destroying property does anything but make them look like hungry neanderthals. Say your peice, hold up your signs and make your voices heard. Non violently.

To protestors-bare in mind how many cops are sectioned at your rally instead of protecting the streets from other criminals. Additionally, the extra cops on duty for these protests are coming out of tax payers pockets.

As for the bill, 25 years is uh, slightly ridiculous. This bill on terrorism should go more towards abortion clinic terrorists who bomb and shoot at doctores and patients.
 
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