Origin Eon15-S vs MBP2011 Refresh

[appleater]

Hey everyone, I am looking to upgrade to a hefty 15" gaming notebook (being saving over a year), the Origin Eon15-S comes out at the end of this month, but I know there will be a refresh of MBP by the summer & I know it will be very good too.

The Eon can pack up to 16GB DDR3 Ram, whereas the current MBPs only 8 & I am expecting the same amount from the next gen lineup aswell. (not that 8 gigs isn't enough, but the more the better for running heavy game software.

The Eon also has the GTX485M which is very good, but the MBP will most likely have ATIs 7000M lineup which is supposed to be 30% better than there 6000M series, & also Ivy bridge will be out by than.

Both are going to cost around the same price of $2500, with that in mind it seems like I'd be getting more bang for my buck with the Eon (memory bluray etc), but it doesn't have all the sleekness & craftsmanship of the MBP nor the option to run OS X, however I would be running most heavy gaming software in bootcamp anyway, as Macs are really not designed as gaming notebooks.

Is it worth the wait?

 

[appleater]

Here is the link to the Eon-15-S: http://www.originpc.com/eonteaser.asp

 

[lewdvig]

These choices are so wildly different...

I've had the Alienware M15x, M17x R1 and Clevo W8760CU and I find that its better to scale back power. I am willing to have less eye candy in order to have a notebook that I can travel with. My guess is that these Origin Clevos will be 2" thick to provide adequate cooling.

If you spend more than $1800 on a Clevo you are being ripped off IMO. Check NBR forums and you will see lots of the 15 and 17" units for sale in the marketplace. Mine had a 5870 with no ATI power play support - Clevo removed it from the VBIOS. The fan noise was terrible.

It might be April before we see an update - but I am hoping for a 540m or 6650 discrete card in the new MBP. But it could be another slow part like the 330m.

 

[appleater]

My guess is that these Origin Clevos will be 2" thick to provide adequate cooling.

Do you mean that the Origin Eon is using a Clevo chasis?

 

[lewdvig]

My guess is that these Origin Clevos will be 2" thick to provide adequate cooling.

Do you mean that the Origin Eon is using a Clevo chasis?

Yup, same as the Eurocom Racer announced today and available from XoticPC for preorder (starting from $1150 BTW).

I was looking at this new chassis today. The angle shot makes them look thin but I suspect they will be thick like the previous gen chassis.

You might want to save money and get the Sandy Bridge Clevo from XoticPC or the Asus G53. Either one should be well under $1400 with a GTX 460.

 

[Erasmus]

A 485GTX is going to destroy anything Apple uses. Best possible alternative for the next MBP is the AMD 6830M, although a 6670M-ish GPU is more likely, which will likely carry on to the next generation as well.

I expect a 485GTX will surpass even a 7830M, when it's eventually released.

If I understand you correctly, you're trying to compare a computer that will be released very soon, to the Ivy Bridge MBPs. If so, expect to wait well past "summer" (northern hemisphere), as it will likely be out either very late this year, or very early 2012. Either way, surely by then that "Origin" thing will have been updated multiple times.

So maybe a better idea would be to wait for a month or two to see how the Sandy Bridge MBPs turn out (using them as a guideline for what the Ivy Bridge MBPs will be like), and if you don't fancy one, get your Eon?

 

[appleater]

Yup, same as the Eurocom Racer announced today and available from XoticPC for preorder (starting from $1150 BTW).

I was looking at this new chassis today. The angle shot makes them look thin but I suspect they will be thick like the previous gen chassis.

You might want to save money and get the Sandy Bridge Clevo from XoticPC or the Asus G53. Either one should be well under $1400 with a GTX 460.

The Eurocom Racer looks pretty damn good, it offers triple channel (DDR3-1600 memory) if I'm not mistaken, whereas the Eon offers only Dual (DDR3-1333). I'm Not 100% sure the difference between 1333 & 1600 is dual vs triple channel? The key thing for me is the GTX 485M, I'm considering going midrange with a 460 as I agree with your previous statement that anything over $1800 for a clevo is a rip, but the difference between 460 & 485 is pretty significant. I will probably take Erasmus's advice and wait it out a month or two, hopefully there will be some leaks before april which is when the new MBPs will probably be released.

 

[lewdvig]

A 485GTX is going to destroy anything Apple uses. Best possible alternative for the next MBP is the AMD 6830M, although a 6670M-ish GPU is more likely, which will likely carry on to the next generation as well.

I expect a 485GTX will surpass even a 7830M, when it's eventually released.

If I understand you correctly, you're trying to compare a computer that will be released very soon, to the Ivy Bridge MBPs. If so, expect to wait well past "summer" (northern hemisphere), as it will likely be out either very late this year, or very early 2012. Either way, surely by then that "Origin" thing will have been updated multiple times.

So maybe a better idea would be to wait for a month or two to see how the Sandy Bridge MBPs turn out (using them as a guideline for what the Ivy Bridge MBPs will be like), and if you don't fancy one, get your Eon?

The 6850/6870/6970 series Mobility RADEON were just released days ago. I don't know where you get the 7830M moniker from. LOL.

Ivy Bridge is due late 2011 or CES 2012 with actual shipping notebooks to follow a month or two after launch.

How long do you want to wait?

 

[lewdvig]

The Eurocom Racer looks pretty damn good, it offers triple channel (DDR3-1600 memory) if I'm not mistaken, whereas the Eon offers only Dual (DDR3-1333). I'm Not 100% sure the difference between 1333 & 1600 is dual vs triple channel? The key thing for me is the GTX 485M, I'm considering going midrange with a 460 as I agree with your previous statement that anything over $1800 for a clevo is a rip, but the difference between 460 & 485 is pretty significant. I will probably take Erasmus's advice and wait it out a month or two, hopefully there will be some leaks before april which is when the new MBPs will probably be released.

There are two chassis (they look similar) PH150 and PH151.

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8130-built-clevo-p151hm1-custom-sager-laptop-p-2973.html

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8150-built-clevo-p150hm-custom-gaming-sager-notebook-p-2972.html

I would get the i7-2630qm - don't let the value label fool you it outperforms the previous gen i7-920xm which was a $1000 CPU.

That should get you a nice rig with 485m for about $1840 with win7. You should score over 20,000 in 3dmark06. A MBP would score about 7,000 in the same test. The 2011 MBP might be 8,500 if past evolution is any indication.

 

[appleater]

There are two chassis (they look similar) PH150 and PH151.

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8130-built-clevo-p151hm1-custom-sager-laptop-p-2973.html

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8150-built-clevo-p150hm-custom-gaming-sager-notebook-p-2972.html

I would get the i7-2630qm - don't let the value label fool you it outperforms the previous gen i7-920xm which was a $1000 CPU.

That should get you a nice rig with 485m for about $1840 with win7. You should score over 20,000 in 3dmark06. A MBP would score about 7,000 in the same test. The 2011 MBP might be 8,500 if past evolution is any indication.

The 485 looks amazing, but 28nm is just around the corner, so the extra $500 to upgrade from the 460 doesn't seem like its worth it. Might just go with the Asus G53-SW, still waiting on the price for the Eon-15S though.

BTW, to answer my question from earlier the triple channel ram requires 3 slots, where as the dual channel requires 2 to 4. Also DDR4 comes out next year along with Ivy, so we can expect some serious gaming power for 2012. (still don't know if I can hold out another year though)

Anyone know if it would be possible to have quad channel, or would that be the same as dual channel?

 

[chrmjenkins]

Origin will be overpriced compared to other Clevo/Sager resellers such as xoticpc. 6970M (estimated to cost only a little more than the 460M while being 15% worse performing than 485M) is coming around March and will offer much better value for your dollar. The thickness of the 150HM is around 1.6", not 2".

28nm is a year away.

Not even desktops have quad channel yet. Enthusiasts i7 series only have triple channel.

 

[appleater]

Origin will be overpriced compared to other Clevo/Sager resellers such as xoticpc. 6970M (estimated to cost only a little more than the 460M while being 15% worse performing than 485M) is coming around March and will offer much better value for your dollar. The thickness of the 150HM is around 1.6", not 2".

28nm is a year away.

Not even desktops have quad channel yet. Enthusiasts i7 series only have triple channel.

The origin probably will be over priced, I'm probably waiting till Q2, Q3, when 28nm will start coming out (low to midrange).

http://www.vizworld.com/2010/09/nvidia-product-roadmap-fermi-kepler-maxwell/

I can't recall what ATI is codenaming their 28nm gpus, but we will likely see them before we see Kepler.

If anyone is interested in a 485m, the maingear ex-L 15 is available now starting at 1500 (2000 with the 485). Looks like the best deal with a 485 so far.

Even though 28nm will only be low-mid range this year, I'm hoping to see the 585m in the next few months, so it can't hurt to wait. Hopefully Apple throws a high end gpu (485, 585, or 6970m) in the next gen macbook because I would really like to stick with mac.

 

[Tastannin]

Over the years, I've always wanted my MBP's to have a nice high end gaming card for all the eye candy. Always been disappointed every time. Why would they be different this time around?

You wanna game, get a gaming laptop. If you want OSX, wait. The MBP will have enough oomph to let you play your games, but not at the eye candy level you want. Buy the MBP and a Xbox 360 heh heh.

 

[appleater]

A 485GTX is going to destroy anything Apple uses. Best possible alternative for the next MBP is the AMD 6830M, although a 6670M-ish GPU is more likely, which will likely carry on to the next generation as well.

I expect a 485GTX will surpass even a 7830M, when it's eventually released.

Good call in the graphics card, ended up being 6750M. The new MBP looks pretty amazing, the GPU is a little bit of a let down, but its a mac and they are aiming for more performance as oppose to enthusiast gamer. Was considering waiting for an October 2011 Refresh when 28nm GPUs are out, but than again I'd be killing 8 months for a 30% better GPU (most likely the 7750M, 7830M would be wishful thinking).

Anyway probably going to give it a week to check out some hands on reviews and give the 15" a go. Although I have a hunch that the 2012 refresh will be the overhaul everyone has bin talking about the last couple months.