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Has anyone directly compared stereo HomePods versus real passive home theatre speakers? My current living room setup is 3.0: left and right B&W bookshelf speakers with a matching center speaker (no room for surround speakers or a subwoofer). I own one full-size HomePod that's used for casual music listening and Homekit Siri requests.

With the recent update supporting Dolby Atmos, I'm trying to determine whether it's worth buying another full-size HomePod to replace my current setup. I set up my single HomePod in home theater mode and watched a bit of Greyhound on Apple TV+ and my main thought was that the sound was very thin compared to my high-quality speakers. Is this generally what I can expect, or was it maybe due to the fact that I don't have stereo HomePods.
 
Not going to be even close but then again two homePods and an ATV4K are cheaper and less complicated than the L/C/R B&W speakers plus corresponding amp.
 
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Don't just focus on sound quality, keep in mind "experience as a whole"

The HomePods limit you to an audio connection over your wireless network, which has many more opportunities for failure than a direct wired audio connection. Airplay requires a fairly solid wireless network to work well.
The experience with airplay can vary from app to app, I use a Live TV/DVR app called Channels, it doesn't do so well when using airplay or setting the default speaker to HomePod.
I've also seen a thread in these forums where setting the default to a HomePod kills the wireless speeds. Using the "old" way to set the HomePod as the output using airplay didn't seem to cause this.

Plus the HomePods only work for appleTV. If you've got a cable box or other device, or want to use an app on your TV, the HomePod won't be able to be used.


I love my sonos sound bar. direct HMDI connection, can play and control music on it from ANY device on my network, including any windows or android devices that might be visiting.
And the sonos multi-room grouping seems more robust than apple's, Plus you can hook them to hardwire ethernet, and they'll create their own wifi mesh network to talk amongst themselves,
 
For me sound quality is the most important. I use apple tv with the spotify app. The airplay of the apple tv is very stable in my home network. But I can understand the concern of the limitations of the apple.
 
I have a HomePod in my bedroom and I also have a pair of self-powered studio monitors that cost over $5,000 that, as I'm no longer doing pro audio, are now connected to my Apple TV. Would I replace the $5,000 monitors with a pair of HomePods? No. However, if I didn't have those studio monitors would I be tempted to spend $800 vs. $5,000? Yes.

The sound from my HomePod is very satisfying. I call it the best table radio I've ever owned. However, its subjective sound characteristics are very different than those studio monitors. I wouldn't use them for recording and mixing in a studio environment - due to the heavy amount of signal processing that goes on I couldn't trust them as a reference speaker.

HomePods are definitely made for home entertainment where subjective enjoyment is more important than neutral accuracy, and that's quite alright. But they're also small speakers - they're not intended to fill a large room. I think they particularly excel at lower volumes where, unlike traditional speakers, the sound remains rich and well-balanced. But if you're listening in a large room like a home theater where you can leave the volume set at theater/concert hall levels, there are probably plenty of other speakers that provide a more satisfying experience.

Are there limitations to how you can connect HomePods? Yes, but traditional speakers are also limited to the capabilities of whatever they are connected. Speakers are just speakers - they need an audio system behind them. HomePods were designed to be used within the Apple hardware universe - AirPlay from iOS devices, streaming audio from Apple Music, etc. They're not readily adaptable to other purposes. And they do other things (Siri) that a pair of traditional speakers can't do on their own. If that works for your needs, then fine.
 
Has anyone directly compared stereo HomePods versus real passive home theatre speakers? My current living room setup is 3.0: left and right B&W bookshelf speakers with a matching center speaker (no room for surround speakers or a subwoofer). I own one full-size HomePod that's used for casual music listening and Homekit Siri requests.

With the recent update supporting Dolby Atmos, I'm trying to determine whether it's worth buying another full-size HomePod to replace my current setup. I set up my single HomePod in home theater mode and watched a bit of Greyhound on Apple TV+ and my main thought was that the sound was very thin compared to my high-quality speakers. Is this generally what I can expect, or was it maybe due to the fact that I don't have stereo HomePods.
Atmos is very good when u have a number of speakers. two HomePods will not have the Atmos thingy going for ya. I have 2 HomePods and luv em but not for the tv(tried it). the tv uses a Sony CT800 soundbar, a cheapo but good. in short, keep using what ya got, lol.
 
Echoing the general sentiment.

They sound pretty great!
They're entirely reliant upon wireless connections and are something of a black box upon failure.

I would go wired speakers if you are all interested in reliability and experience and time savings.


My current "theater" setup is 100% a MBP using stereo paired pods as output. (For iTunes items...since I can only use one of them for speaker output - another silly thing) I also have Starlink internet - which is great when connected, but drops out for a few seconds here, few there. This means I can't make it through an entire movie... ever...without stopping and restarting something. Often multiple times.

It's not great.

If you have a super solid internet connection, the above issues may not pertain to you (though the single-speaker / inability to airplay to a stereo pair from particular devices may).
 
They sound fantastic for what they are, but the correct implementation of their new surround sound capabilities when paired with an Apple TV 4K relies on the app developer so apps like Tidal, or Disney+ don't support Atmos trough the HP yet, or even deliver the best possible sound quality in stereo/ 5.1. The biggest issue right now, however, is that the volume and overall quality is wildy inconsistent between apps and content.

Sometimes they will be plenty loud at max volume with excelent soundscape, directionality and dynamic, and in other cases you will struggle to hear dialogue, like the other day happened to me while watching Seven on Netflix. Sound effects and music were much louder than voices. Some content on Netflix is like this, other is fine.


Prime Video is the app that sound the best right now with the Homepods, along with Apple own streaming apps.

Disney+ is consistently lower and less dynamic that the rest. No idea why.

Infuse does not sound right when the Homepods are set as the default audio output of the Apple TV. The developers are working on it, as announced on their forum and an app update should be available soon. The said this:

We are actively working on this.

In a nutshell, some of the new features supported by Apple HomePods allow for certain aspects of audio codecs to be utilized which were not previously supported.

This is good news, and we’re taking this opportunity to update a few other things in the Infuse audio processing pipeline to ensure we’re able to handle use cases like this, and a few others.

Our team had a bit of time off for the holidays, but returned back this week…so we should have something available to test relatively soon.



In sum, whey they work well, they are fantastic, but currently the "Home Theater" feature needs a bit of polishing.
 
Has anyone directly compared stereo HomePods versus real passive home theatre speakers?

Yes, comparing a HomePod pair with a Home theater setup that cost >15x as much.

I think they particularly excel at lower volumes where, unlike traditional speakers, the sound remains rich and well-balanced.

Agree. The lower range is pretty darn amazing when compared to the expensive system. They show limitations as you move into the higher frequencies.

Don't just focus on sound quality, keep in mind "experience as a whole"

I have 3 sets of speakers which I can use while I'm working on my computer. The HomePods are great when I just want to explore Apple Music in the background. If I really like a specific track I'll bring it up via Tidal MQA on my main GoldenEar speakers, or on my Paradigm computer speakers via an Meridian MQA DAC.

I can't work with the computer speakers on, they force me to listen. I can use the HomePods or the speakers in the background and still work.
 
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Yes, comparing a HomePod pair with a Home theater setup that cost >15x as much.



Agree. The lower range is pretty darn amazing when compared to the expensive system. They show limitations as you move into the higher frequencies.



I have 3 sets of speakers which I can use while I'm working on my computer. The HomePods are great when I just want to explore Apple Music in the background. If I really like a specific track I'll bring it up via Tidal MQA on my main GoldenEar speakers, or on my Paradigm computer speakers via an Meridian MQA DAC.

I can't work with the computer speakers on, they force me to listen. I can use the HomePods or the speakers in the background and still work.


I am curious. How the Homepods behave when you feed them a lossless audio stream via Airplay?. They sound better than with Apple Music?
 
How the Homepods behave when you feed them a lossless audio stream via Airplay?.

Depends on the stream. My understanding is that AirPlay is limited to CD quality, so you can never get high bitrate (96 Khz/24 bit) quality.
 
Depends on the stream. My understanding is that AirPlay is limited to CD quality, so you can never get high bitrate (96 Khz/24 bit) quality.


I thought Airplay 2 changed that. Interesting. The Homepod (natively , by itself) maximum supported audio quality is 24bit/48khz, so there is hope for a future high quality apple music tier.
 
Super late on the uptick on this one, but did y'all say the Apple TV now supports setting stereo HomePods as the default, AND it supports Dolby Atmos on the streaming services that have it?! I've been using a single home pod as my audio set up in my studio, and honestly have been blown away by the 'separation' from a singular source that hte HomePod mimics. But I'd love to have two, but have avoided getting a second cause I heard stereo wasn't supported. (to be clear, HomePod full size, not mini's).
 
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Super late on the uptick on this one, but did y'all say the Apple TV now supports setting stereo HomePods as the default, AND it supports Dolby Atmos on the streaming services that have it?! I've been using a single home pod as my audio set up in my studio, and honestly have been blown away by the 'separation' from a singular source that hte HomePod mimics. But I'd love to have two, but have avoided getting a second cause I heard stereo wasn't supported. (to be clear, HomePod full size, not mini's).



Yes, it now supports Dolby 5.1, 7.1 and Atmos, with a single one... but with an stereo pair set as the default speakers the result is VERY impressive. Get another Homepod and create an stereo pair with the one you already have ASAP. You will be blown away. I have a pair with an ATV4K and I enjoy it every day.
 
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I'm very late on this topic, only saw it because of the recent headline that Apple is discontinuing full-size HomePods.

I'm using paired stereo full-size HomePods instead of wired bookshelf speakers in a 600 square foot garage-converted-to-office. In the past I've used old AR 3a for home stereo (oldies but goodies) and more recently wired Q Acoustics for my desktop computer (fantastic for the price).

I'm VERY happy with the Homepods. Are they as good as wired speakers? Yes, if you're comparing them to speakers at comparable price point of $400/pair (I waited for sales, got each HomePod for $199). A little less neutral but good sound (I listen mostly to classical orchestral & chamber music). It's very convenient not having to deal with wires, as is the small size - VERY impressive given their size. I like them better than Sonos One.

I wouldn't use them with a dedicated amplifier/pre-amp type set-up for a home stereo, but for streaming from a computer or phone, they're excellent. I don't think they get enough credit for their sound quality.

(note: I don't use the "smart" function at all.)
 
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I had a stereo pair with the ATV as a "home cinema" solution. I got rid of them, it was painful. First of all only ATV content works with them so normal broadcast TV wouldn't and neither would apps on the TV itself (although that part isn't really a problem as the apps can be installed on the ATV)
Biggest issue though was lip sync problems, I could never get them to go away completely, it completely ruined it for me. Sold them and bought a Sonos beam instead, far far better for hooking up to a TV although not quite as good for music,
 
Not sure why some folks here are equating a proper home theater set-up as having to cost "thousands of dollars." There are many options from reputable manufacturers (Yamaha, JBL, etc) that have affordable kits available that not only sound great, but if your only reference at this point is a sound bar or HomePod, I am confident they will blow your mind! :cool:

PS. Nothing against HomePod, but this "great sounding smart speaker" was never really intended for home theater use.
 
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Stereo HomePods sound pretty good when streaming Apple Music, so long as the HomePod doesn't tune things weirdly based on your environment.
When I used to have have HomePods in the same room, I found that watching TV shows on the AppleTV was pretty impressive, music and speech was pretty clear and surround effects had some presence to them.

My only experience for TV/movie consumption was my Logitech Z series 5.1 surround speakers. That was pretty decent and did make action scenes more alive. Center speaker wasn't that great, but good enough for speech. So the HomePod did a lot better than computer speakers.

One trick I found for better sound with the Logitech speakers was a thicker gauge cable. It made the sound a little louder, and thus more immersive for me.

I was disappointed that the HomePod was discontinued, because I really see the potential for 3-6 HomePods to provide surround sound for 5.1 DD or Atmos. 2 speakers was amazing for TV/movies, imagine if there were more speakers.

As for the HomePod itself in playing music, it's really good in that there's no distortion, and you can hear instruments individually, but when listening to noisy rock, it's not as clear as you can get from high quality equipment. But at least it doesn't distort. Also there's no EQ so you can't adjust things when the music is not according to taste.
 
For me sound quality is the most important. I use apple tv with the spotify app. The airplay of the apple tv is very stable in my home network. But I can understand the concern of the limitations of the apple.

How important can it be, if you're using Spotify?
 
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Just what is "real?" I think "conventional" is a much better term.

The first self-powered (integrated power amp and speaker) system I used was Klein and Hummel OY, which was back in the early 1970s - primary control room monitors in a broadcast facility. I did my first concert recordings on those things. Fast-forward about 20 years and I was using Genelec monitors in a digital audio editing room. Fabulous set of self-powered speakers. I later purchased another set of Genelecs for a side gig recording a major symphony orchestra. Still have them for my "home theater" (no surround, just basic stereo). I've also worked with various electrostatic speakers in studio environments (again, you don't hook these to a Mcintosh power amp).

So I have no problem with the concept of self-powered speakers. Are my HomePods a match for my $5000 Genelecs? No way. I love the transparency of the Genelecs. I also love my HomePods for what they are, but they're not Genelecs.

The better question might have been whether a pair of HomePods for home theater compare to a 5-speaker surround setup - it shouldn't matter whether those 5 speakers have integrated power amps or are connected to power amps contained within an AV receiver. I don't have an answer for that, as I don't have a surround system for comparison.
 
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I have one HomePod in the kitchen which is opposite my living room with home theater set up. I have been in the sound business both retail and professionally since 1967. I am now retired with limited resources so I can't spend thousands on a home theater system, but have managed to put together a system that blows the doors off the HomePod. I like the HomePod for casual listening and it's convenience but in no way is sonically comparable to the big system. It is good for what it is, but not an "Audiophile" device. First thing to realize about sound systems is that loudspeakers are the weakest link. You could do a blind test on a 100 name brand amplifiers and I doubt you could hear much difference other than the dynamic range extra power provides. In my years of selling Hi-Fi systems, the single most common cause of speaker failure (other than poor design) is too little power. When low power amplifiers are driven hard, they clip, or produce DC currents which the main cause of burning out voice coils. Now do a blind test on 100 different loudspeaker pairs and you will hear 100 distinctly different sounds qualities. Which is correct? Unfortunately, none. A lot come close, but each has it's own characteristic sound. Loud speaker blind tests need to be done at the same acoustic level, people will choose the louder of the two. So you buy what you like for the price that you can afford. For many years I had Magnepan MagnaPlanar 6' high flat panel speakers which I loved. Weak in the low frequencies because they were dipole radiators and the bass from each side would cancel depending on placement. Nowhere perfect but and awesome sound. Back to the HomePod, all bass drivers have what is called "free air resonance", a frequency that is highest at that point, Usually the smaller the driver, the higher the free air resonance. (also has to do with impedance, which is a whole different story). The HomePod has a very distinctive low frequency coloration which tends to diminish to your ear, as you listen over time. Very apparent when you first start to listen to it. Any loudspeaker that has that much coloration cannot be considered 'audiophile'. Read the audio magazines like Absolute Sound, where the reviewers wax on about all the different nuances of each component. Sounding like wine tasters, "with a hint of citrus" or some other characteristic. All I am trying to say is, there is nothing wrong with liking the HomPods, they fill a niche we never had in the Hi-Fi business. They sound great for their size, but they are not replacements for traditional loudspeakers in a good system.
 
So t you find the HomePods limitations of being to tied to apple
Music a problem?

Like how do you listen to high def formats that are becoming more accessible. Ie

Tidal, Amazon music, etc
 
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