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Streaming radio service Pandora is getting ready to introduce two new on-demand paid subscription tiers, in addition to keeping its popular free option available, according to people familiar with the matter speaking with The Wall Street Journal.

The company is said to be "close to inking deals" with some major record companies that will let it expand the two new tiers in both the United States and some markets overseas.

The most expensive subscription is said to be $10 per month and grant users unlimited access to tens of millions of songs on Pandora, bringing the internet radio streaming service closer to that of Spotify and Apple Music. The company will then slightly tweak its existing $5 per month ad-free option with a few new perks like skipping songs, offline listening, and more.
While competing with the likes of Spotify, Apple and other $10-a-month service providers may be difficult, some music-industry executives believe that Pandora's planned $5-a-month tier presents a bigger opportunity for the business, potentially unlocking new revenue from consumers who want a bit more control over their listening experience but wouldn't pay $10 a month.
First launched in 2000, Pandora has never had to get individual permission from record labels to play their music since its services offer only randomized, radio-like "stations" that prevent users from playing specific songs. Since its new model will add these on-demand listening features for its users, Pandora now has to partner with various record labels in addition to the broad internet radio licensing fees it pays.

The company hopes its new business model attracts subscribers, since it's seen a "listenership plateau" over the past few years with 80 million active monthly users, about 4 million of which are paying $5 per month to avoid ads between songs. Currently, the radio features of Pandora are available in the United States, Australia and New Zealand, but the potential new markets overseas it will expand to have not yet been disclosed.

Also left unspecified was a release date for the new on-demand streaming tiers beyond sometime in the fall. For those who don't have it, you can download the Pandora app for free from the iOS App Store. [Direct Link]

Article Link: Pandora Set to Introduce Two New On-Demand Paid Subscription Tiers
 
But their catalog is so small. Sure they have a great radio algorithm, but it's way too repetitive to be good at music discovery. I dunno if I would fork $10/mo or whatever it will be to gain access to 1/30th of the catalog that Apple or Google have.
 
I liked Pandora a long time ago, but got spoiled by the ability to play songs on demand that I wanted and never really went back to them. Now I'm on the 4 month trial for Google Play Music with the YouTube Red along with it. I'm really liking that extra perk and have already dumped Spotify.
 
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But their catalog is so small. Sure they have a great radio algorithm, but it's way too repetitive to be good at music discovery. I dunno if I would fork $10/mo or whatever it will be to gain access to 1/30th of the catalog that Apple or Google have.
I agree. I tried them twice and cancelled both times getting a refund. For example there 90's playlist station would play about 80% songs I have on CD like Genie in Bottle, Baby One more Time, Where my Girls At, Angel of Mine and I only had a very small percent of 90's CD's which in reality there were many more 90's songs they never played.
 
I just signed up for Apple Music last week too. I was a bit on the fence since before Apple Music I was a Pandora user. Pandora has a very small catalog of music; I constantly heard the same same songs over and over. Also, no on demand listening. With a paid Pandora one subscription, you were still limited in the "skips" you had. Going to Apple Music's $9.99/mo plan was a no brainer for me. I'm loving Apple Music so far.
 
I just signed up for Apple Music last week too. I was a bit on the fence since before Apple Music I was a Pandora user. Pandora has a very small catalog of music; I constantly heard the same same songs over and over. Also, no on demand listening. With a paid Pandora one subscription, you were still limited in the "skips" you had. Going to Apple Music's $9.99/mo plan was a no brainer for me. I'm loving Apple Music so far.
I tried them all including Slacker Radio which gives you unlimited skips but although they play a few more songs after a short while it gets very repetitive. I agree on Apple Music. Also Google Play Music and Spotify if you don't care about parental controls is the way to go if you want to hear more than the same top 20 songs over and over again.
 
But their catalog is so small. Sure they have a great radio algorithm, but it's way too repetitive to be good at music discovery. I dunno if I would fork $10/mo or whatever it will be to gain access to 1/30th of the catalog that Apple or Google have.

Exactly. Why would you pick a much smaller catalog over the huge catalogs of Apple Music or Google, for the same price?

"There's too much music. I want less for my money."
 
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I liked Pandora a long time ago, but got spoiled by the ability to play songs on demand that I wanted and never really went back to them. Now I'm on the 4 month trial for Google Play Music with the YouTube Red along with it. I'm really liking that extra perk and have already dumped Spotify.

Play Music and Red are great. Best bang for the buck, imo.

I agree on Apple Music. Also Google Play Music and Spotify if you don't care about parental controls is the way to go if you want to hear more than the same top 20 songs over and over again.
Confused about your parental controls claim. I have a Play Music family plan. Both my daughters (iP6 and Moto G) have explicit lyrics blocked. Not sure about Spotify though.
 
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I like Pandora for music genres I'm not very familiar with. I learn a lot of new artists and songs that way. For the genres I already know they pretty much just play the same stuff over and over again.
 
I still listen to Pandora on the AppleTV occasionally. I like it's simplicity and I do find artists/songs I am not familiar with. I probably would not listen to Pandora if AM offered the ability to shuffle between stations. This is a function Pandora provides and I love it. With AM, I get tire of listening to a station after a short while, then I have to manually move to another station. Pandora mixes all of my stations up without any intervention. If AM provides the same function...sorry Pandora, but I'm gone.
 
But their catalog is so small. Sure they have a great radio algorithm, but it's way too repetitive to be good at music discovery. I dunno if I would fork $10/mo or whatever it will be to gain access to 1/30th of the catalog that Apple or Google have.

Have you actually tried Pandora?

Before I decided which service I was going to subscribe to, I tried Spotify, Apple Music, and Pandora. I assumed Pandora would be repetitive because I kept reading about the other two having "30 million songs". However, in the genres I frequently listen to (mostly jazz, blues, and swing), Pandora did the best job of keeping the stream non-repetitive and of figuring out what I liked to listen to. Apple Music was - by far - the worst.

I think people succumb to that marketing message about catalog size way too easily without actually thinking about whether it actually has any practical meaning.
 
Do people still listen to Pandora? It's not 2010 anymore people

Maybe I am not the norm, in many ways that is true, but I use the free version of Pandora everyday. Right now even.

I used to buy songs on iTunes, and occasionally CDs from amazon. I have iTunes Match, and used ad-free iTunes Radio to discover new songs. I find a new song or usually rediscover an old song and buy it on iTunes.

After iTunes Radio was taken away from the Match users, I tried a few others, 8Track, AOL Radio, Amazon, and Pandora, and I pretty much only use Pandora now. And I stopped buying iTunes songs.

It is install on my Apple TV, and I usually listen to 80's, 90's, and new age while playing the free solitaire card game on the ATV4. Plus, I use Pandora all day at work.

So, I might be not the norm, but to answer your question, yes, some people still use Pandora.
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... And stop calling me Shirley.

(@thisisnotmyname - Nice reference to the classic "Airplane" quote!)

That's funny, I made an Airplane reference a few days ago on a different thread about Tesla's Autopilot:
There is a lot of posts discussing the term "Autopilot".


I think it is the inflatable pilot from the Airplane movies.
 
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Streaming radio service Pandora is getting ready to introduce two new on-demand paid subscription tiers, in addition to keeping its popular free option available, according to people familiar with the matter speaking with The Wall Street Journal.

The company is said to be "close to inking deals" with some major record companies that will let it expand the two new tiers in both the United States and some markets overseas.

The most expensive subscription is said to be $10 per month and grant users unlimited access to tens of millions of songs on Pandora, bringing the internet radio streaming service closer to that of Spotify and Apple Music. The company will then slightly tweak its existing $5 per month ad-free option with a few new perks like skipping songs, offline listening, and more.
First launched in 2000, Pandora has never had to get individual permission from record labels to play their music since its services offer only randomized, radio-like "stations" that prevent users from playing specific songs. Since its new model will add these on-demand listening features for its users, Pandora now has to partner with various record labels in addition to the broad internet radio licensing fees it pays.

The company hopes its new business model attracts subscribers, since it's seen a "listenership plateau" over the past few years with 80 million active monthly users, about 4 million of which are paying $5 per month to avoid ads between songs. Currently, the radio features of Pandora are available in the United States, Australia and New Zealand, but the potential new markets overseas it will expand to have not yet been disclosed.

Also left unspecified was a release date for the new on-demand streaming tiers beyond sometime in the fall. For those who don't have it, you can download the Pandora app for free from the iOS App Store. [Direct Link]

Article Link: Pandora Set to Introduce Two New On-Demand Paid Subscription Tiers


All these services are about the same because the music companies won't let them be different, I've tried them all and think google music is the best deal, the music is high quality, the app is good, and you can't beat getting YouTube red
 
Additional requirement for me. Home streaming devices supported by the music service. Such as Sonos and wireless speakers (fixed and portable). I am not a fan of Bluetooth as an option.
 
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Do people still listen to Pandora? It's not 2010 anymore people

While I still have the app installed on my iPhone (and now ATV4), I admittedly don't use it as much as I used to. However, their radio stations are far superior to the offerings of Apple Music, Spotify and Google Play Music IMO. That's the only reason why I still have the app on my phone (and ATV), for those times where I don't want to seek out a playlist and just listen to one of the radio stations I created.
 
Have you actually tried Pandora?

Before I decided which service I was going to subscribe to, I tried Spotify, Apple Music, and Pandora. I assumed Pandora would be repetitive because I kept reading about the other two having "30 million songs". However, in the genres I frequently listen to (mostly jazz, blues, and swing), Pandora did the best job of keeping the stream non-repetitive and of figuring out what I liked to listen to. Apple Music was - by far - the worst.

I think people succumb to that marketing message about catalog size way too easily without actually thinking about whether it actually has any practical meaning.
I've had a Pandora One subscription for 5 years and still do. But will probably not renew.

Example 1:
I've been trying to get a good classic rock radio going on Pandora for years. After many different attempts of seeding, or letting it do its thing, I just kept getting Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd taking over my stations. I like Zeppelin and Floyd, but I also know that there is an entire three decades of the best music ever made that are being ignored.

Example 2:
I heard that Pandora does comedy a few years ago, so I started a station. It's impossible to get away from a repertoire of about 40 of the same tracks. Again, no breadth, hits first and lack of discovery.

I don't care what official studies show. Some people like to listen to hits and don't care about the breadth of the catalog. I'm not one of them, I like to listen to new stuff all the time. Pandora is not for me and not worth $5 a month anymore. AM is great and will only get more robust IMO.
 
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My wife swears by Pandora One in the car, but her car's infotainment system also has Pandora preinstalled. That's where Spotify is gaining and Apple Music is trying.

The problem (for me) with Pandora is once you start tweaking the algorithm with thumbs up or thumbs down, it narrows down your song/artist options for that particular station way too much.

Apple Music's curated "For You" playlists know me frighteningly well.
 
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Have you actually tried Pandora?

Before I decided which service I was going to subscribe to, I tried Spotify, Apple Music, and Pandora. I assumed Pandora would be repetitive because I kept reading about the other two having "30 million songs". However, in the genres I frequently listen to (mostly jazz, blues, and swing), Pandora did the best job of keeping the stream non-repetitive and of figuring out what I liked to listen to. Apple Music was - by far - the worst.

I think people succumb to that marketing message about catalog size way too easily without actually thinking about whether it actually has any practical meaning.

YAWN. Another case of "my (niche) usage experience is better than yours so your opinion is invalid" comment. People are already abandoning Pandora in droves even before Apple Music came out so that speaks volume for the kind of value that Pandora presents. Once iOS10 Apple Music comes out it'll even be better. Seems like someone needs to get out of their own bubble.
 
Okay, I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

It is a SUBSCRIPTION.

I love Pandora, and I use it probably 6 days per week, and for an average of 3-5 hours each day. I have three main stations: Enigma and ATB (new age and EDM/dance), with some Delerium thrown in. I've hit "I'm tired of this song" only a few times (too much Enya; love her, but she was putting me to sleep), and that gives me some pretty good variety. I'm thinking of making a Ryan Farish station next.

But I only use the FREE version of Pandora, and holy cow, I'm not alone!

Look at the percentages in the original article. Do you get it? Only 4-5% are paying subscribers, even only at $5 per month? This is what I've been saying all along: The subscription model really DOES NOT WORK.

You can claim it's due to repetition, or limited features, or whatever the hell else. But as somebody else said, the record labels want all deals to be the same. Eventually, more features will cost more money.

Paid subscriptions did not work for MusicMatch, and even back then, they were only charging $6 per month. MusicMatch had a very good player, plus it was a decent streaming service with good customization and self-learning tools, but that was before they got infected during the Yahoo acquisition. And there's another major screw-up. Yahoo, with all their free email and Photos, and other stuff, could never really get people to subscribe to the many paid services on offer. MusicMatch went kaput, as did Yahoo Photos and so many other services.

People are leaving cable and satellite TV in droves. The only way the media companies can survive is if they charge $150 per month to their current subscribers, and when they quit anyway, then at least the media companies also happen to own the ISPs, so they still get their $60 monthly subscription for cable or fiber internet service.

When people quit Dish, DIRECTV, or cable, if they're like me, they're not replacing their TV with other paid options. I've been off SatTV for over a year now, and I miss TV so little that I have not purchased Hulu, Netflix, or other. I use Amazon Prime, but that's only because I get other benefits from that subscription, and NOT because they have great TV choices (because they mostly don't).

I think Adobe's model will eventually fail too.

Back to Pandora. I'm like the 95% who also don't pay, "even if" it's only $5 per month. The ads for the free version are few, locally-based, and mostly un-obnoxious on Pandora, so I stay, for now. By contrast, FM radio has been VERY obnoxious and mostly stupid for many YEARS ("Morning Zoo" type shows, on-air personalities pushing political or charitable agendas that I disagree with, news that sounds more like a tabloid's front page, and entirely too much attention devoted to sports).

Radio was free of charge, but it too was repetitive, and with interruptions approaching a third of the total content, it was never really a zero-cost deal for me. I knew that and I accepted it because it wasn't an "extra charge" proposition. I had XM Radio for a couple years, but one time, when my credit card charge didn't go through, I never did go back even after I figured out that it was because I needed to update my card's expiration date with XM. I just couldn't be bothered anymore because it was costing me money on an open-ended basis and that was only around $100 a year, comparable to Pandora's proposed $9 or $10 monthly price-point.

Subscriptions suck. They're like a never-ending alimony, an invisible monthly tax, or a kid who won't move out of his mother's basement. It doesn't matter whether the subscription is for a newspaper, magazine, TV, Radio, my health-club membership, the "family plan" at the local gun range, a car lease, or the latest rage, "rental software". This camel's back can't take any more subscriptions.

Food for thought: What is a "bubble?" A simple definition is that a bubble is "something that everybody is doing." There was a dot-com bubble. Everybody was in it, even people I knew at work who really didn't have the analytical temperament for buying technology companies. As a result, companies that never made any money were trading at astronomical prices. There was a housing bubble. People were buying Real Estate only on the basis that they could fog a mirror. The maintenance guy in my apartment complex was even flipping houses, and this was a guy who could barely install a cheap Hotpoint dishwasher in my unit!

So if a bubble is defined as something that even your barber, cab driver, or the guy who makes your sandwich at the local Wawa at 2 AM is doing, then what is left for people to do? Get out. I mean, everybody's in, right? If everybody is "in", then the only thing left for people to do is to get out. And that's how bubbles burst.

I submit to all of you that we are now past the midpoint of "The Great Subscription Bubble of the Twenty Teens".

This is not merely a "Pandora problem." I ask you, is "everybody in" yet? Are you adding subscriptions to your life, or are you like me, reducing them?
 
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