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Passwords App - Anyone like it?

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Mbergie

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I have been a 1Password app for a few years. I was hopeful the free Passwords app included with Sequoia would be robust enough to allow me to save some $$ by cancelling 1Password. My experience so far:
- requiring my Mac password every time I access a PW is too cumbersome and overly protective with no way to disable.
- no strong pw generator
- sort of mediocre auto fill integration with Chrome
- auto saving new PWs - I haven't found it.

My impression is it does not compete with a good paid password manager.

Has anyone found differently?. I would very happy to find I am overlooking some key settings.
 
I think you're overselling 1Password to be honest. I've paid for it for years and it is still rife with issues. It fails just as often as Apple's password manager to save new passwords or present itself for autofill.

I've already stopped paying for 1Password and will make do with Apple's Password management. The only thing that annoys me is that the import from 1Password to Passwords isn't as robust as I would have liked, and there is no way for me override the only passwords with the ones from 1Password that I typically view as more current.
 
Did the merge the functionality of Keychain Access into the Passwords app, or are there now 2 password apps?
 
Mbergie said:
- requiring my Mac password every time I access a PW is too cumbersome and overly protective with no way to disable.
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Are you not using Touch ID (or double clicking the side button on your Apple Watch if you have one)? You don't need to type in your Mac password.

Mbergie said:
- no strong pw generator
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It does have a strong password generator.
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Mbergie said:
- sort of mediocre auto fill integration with Chrome
- auto saving new PWs - I haven't found it.
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This can be a bit clunky compared to the seamless integration with Safari, but seems to be working okay for me in Edge. Did you download the iCloud Passwords extension for Chrome?
 
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Did the merge the functionality of Keychain Access into the Passwords app, or are there now 2 password apps?
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Keychain Access is still there for the other things it's used for, but you won't find your passwords in there anymore. Have to use the new Passwords app for those.
 
iStorm said:
Are you referring to 'Test Title' in this example? I'm able to change the title when in edit mode on my iPad.

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Yes. I don’t have the ability to edit a title after it has already been created. I tap on edit and the title and nothing happens.

Edited to add: I just tried for the 5th time and it started working. Must be a bug because I didn’t do anything different this time than the previous ones.
 
I switched from 1Password to Minimalist after the Mac app for 1Password was going to be sunsetted, and forced subscriptions and syncing with their servers as the only way to go. I love that  has done this and included a menu bar app. Without TouchID it would be a pain, but as a version 1, it has a lot of benefits for the non techies out there. It will only get better as time goes on. For the vast majority, locked Notes and Passwords together will improve their security hygiene. For now, having all my eggs in 2 baskets is the way to go, as Minimalist has done everything I needed from 1Password, but day to day having the Passwords app is going see 99% of my usage time going here.

As an aside, everyone I know that has updated to iOS 18 has commented on how much they love the new Passwords app. The majority of them don’t know a thing about 1Password and have never used a password system. It is the classic 90% of the people 90% of the time approach from  and I am thrilled to see it. One person was using 1Password and asked me to help them migrate. I was stunned to find that they had no clue about individual logins in 1Password. They had their entire database in one single secure note. Us nerds are not the norm, that’s for sure. I showed them how to use locked Notes and the new app in harmony.
 
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The app has some quirks that I hope will be resolved. It doesn't seem to save and restore its window size or column width nor its window position. A bigger issue I found is that when you start editing an entry you have to click "Save" before doing anything else. If you switch to a different entry before you saved, which is what I did to copy password data to merge several entries, it will cancel the edit and discard everything you've changed in, added to or removed from that entry – without a warning. I can't help but think that this is because the edit screen is a full-screen dialog on iOS/iPadOS (see iStorm's screenshot above) that you can't get around whereas on macOS the edit screen is just a column.
 
Apple_Robert said:
Yes. I don’t have the ability to edit a title after it has already been created. I tap on edit and the title and nothing happens.

Edited to add: I just tried for the 5th time and it started working. Must be a bug because I didn’t do anything different this time than the previous ones.
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It won't allow me to edit titles on any entry that is a "log in with Apple" password (auto-generated with the obfuscated e-mail address), but I can edit all other entries.
 
Cirillo Gherardo said:
I think you're overselling 1Password to be honest. I've paid for it for years and it is still rife with issues. It fails just as often as Apple's password manager to save new passwords or present itself for autofill.

I've already stopped paying for 1Password and will make do with Apple's Password management. The only thing that annoys me is that the import from 1Password to Passwords isn't as robust as I would have liked, and there is no way for me override the only passwords with the ones from 1Password that I typically view as more current.
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Yeah, the autofill completely fell apart, and I don't use it at all any more. Though until then, I never had any real issues with it. I think now would be a good time to move on though.
 
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I switched from 1Password to Minimalist after the Mac app for 1Password was going to be sunsetted, and forced subscriptions and syncing with their servers as the only way to go. I love that  has done this and included a menu bar app. Without TouchID it would be a pain, but as a version 1, it has a lot of benefits for the non techies out there. It will only get better as time goes on. For the vast majority, locked Notes and Passwords together will improve their security hygiene. For now, having all my eggs in 2 baskets is the way to go, as Minimalist has done everything I needed from 1Password, but day to day having the Passwords app is going see 99% of my usage time going here.

As an aside, everyone I know that has updated to iOS 18 has commented on how much they love the new Passwords app. the majority of them don’t know a thing about 1Password and have never used a password system. It is the classic 90% of the people 90% of the time approach from  and I am thrilled to see it. I person was using 1Password and asked me to help them migrate. I was stunned to find that they had no clue about individual logins in 1Password. They had their entire database in 1 single secure note. Us nerds are not the norm, that’s for sure. I showed them how to use locked Notes and the new app in harmony.
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Minimalist looks interesting, thanks for the recco. I've held on to 1PW for too long, and have disabled most of what made it useful in the past.
 
Horizon Man said:
Minimalist looks interesting, thanks for the recco. I've held on to 1PW for too long, and have disabled most of what made it useful in the past.
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It is not cross platform though.  devices only. The developer(s) are super responsive to your input, and will even credit you by name in the App Store in app updates, for any input you send that they implemented. It made me forget all about 1Password completely. YMMV. They saw the ire 1Password’s business model changes brought, and seized the opportunity. In my 3rd year with it, and it has been rock solid for me throughout.
 
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Cirillo Gherardo said:
I think you're overselling 1Password to be honest. I've paid for it for years and it is still rife with issues. It fails just as often as Apple's password manager to save new passwords or present itself for autofill.

I've already stopped paying for 1Password and will make do with Apple's Password management. The only thing that annoys me is that the import from 1Password to Passwords isn't as robust as I would have liked, and there is no way for me override the only passwords with the ones from 1Password that I typically view as more current.
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Not overselling. I've used several password managers since they became available over the last 10 yrs.. All I'm saying is that, to date, 1Password is the best I've tested. I'd love to hear from anyone who has used 1Password and any other PW manager they prefer. Real world, not just reading reviews.
 
BigBlur said:
Are you not using Touch ID (or double clicking the side button on your Apple Watch if you have one)? You don't need to type in your Mac password.


It does have a strong password generator.
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This can be a bit clunky compared to the seamless integration with Safari, but seems to be working okay for me in Edge. Did you download the iCloud Passwords extension for Chrome?
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Mac Mini so no to touch and facial
 
Mbergie said:
Not overselling. I've used several password managers since they became available over the last 10 yrs.. All I'm saying is that, to date, 1Password is the best I've tested. I'd love to hear from anyone who has used 1Password and any other PW manager they prefer. Real world, not just reading reviews.
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I've used 1Password for at least 7 or 8 years. I have paid for it monthly for a long while now so that my wife can have it on her devices and have access to all the same passwords.

The success rate of 1Password storing a new password that is created by either Safari or an App is about 40%. The success rate of 1Password offering to autofill something in Safari or an App is about 60%. It's frustrating to say the least, and not the least bit impressive.

Apple's iCloud Keychain / Passwords app is just as capable, while not costing anything. With Family Sharing built in that is already used for everything in my house. I don't need every imaginable feature that 1Password has come with to try to remain relevant. I need my password management to not be a monthly subscription, and its the kind of critical thing I'd prefer remain first party.
 
1Password is definitely more of a power user program. Roboform is another acceptable. I've just installed Minimalist to test. I'm all Apple so it may meet my needs. Testing for a few days will tell.
 
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