Does anyone else wonder how this guy got so high up at Apple?
I just watched the 2005 MWSF Keynote, and his presentations are WEAK.
Just doesn't seem brainy to me - or IS it just me?
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Does anyone else wonder how this guy got so high up at Apple?
I just watched the 2005 MWSF Keynote, and his presentations are WEAK.
Just doesn't seem brainy to me - or IS it just me?
Lacero said:Monkey Boy Steve Ballmer --- Enough Said.
Ballmer started at the top dude. Co-founder.
I agree that his presentations are not top shelf, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is not a very capable guy. I know lots of really sharp folks who aren't great public speakers.
And if you're comparing him to Steve, well, who does a slicker job than Steve? No one can compete wth that.
And if you're comparing him to Steve, well, who does a slicker job than Steve? No one can compete wth that.
powermac666 said:
Well, the dude basically is in charge of marketing for Apple...that's pretty heavy.
iGary said:
Agreed, and I'm not defending him so much as pointing out that bad presentation skills doesn't automatically make him a dumb@$$. Of course, considering the way Apple doesn't market Macs...
Daveway said:
Uhh, wrong. He was hired as the 24th employee of Microsoft. He's the longest serving employee at Microsoft, but definitely not a co-founder. You're probably thinking of Paul Allen, who is actually not technically with Microsoft anymore (although he still is a big shareholder).
iGary said:
the question you should ask is how many people in fortune 500 companies in the same position could give a better presentation than he did. My guess is some better some worse. There is more to marketing than getting on tv and pushing your product to consumers.
Why does a speech matter?
I am sure his main job is not to put together keynotes and deliver them. He isn't a sales person. When is the last time you saw Spielberg or any other director in a movie. I am sure he does he job very well, and since he knows everything that is going on, he is in the position to give a presentation about new products.
I am sure his main job is not to put together keynotes and deliver them. He isn't a sales person. When is the last time you saw Spielberg or any other director in a movie. I am sure he does he job very well, and since he knows everything that is going on, he is in the position to give a presentation about new products.
iGary said:
I agree, of course he won't be anything like Steve (Jobs
) as his job isn't really for doing Keynotes (full ones that is), for Macworld I believe he did a good jobAnyone can easily say they would do it better but it is harder then it looks
I can't help but imagine him in a plaid suit trying to sell me a second-hand Chevy when ever he is involved in a Keynote. As for Steve, I personally don't think he's that good at presenting (ducks ).
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crap freakboy said:I can't help but imagine him in a plaid suit trying to sell me a second-hand Chevy when ever he is involved in a Keynote. As for Steve, I personally don't think he's that good at presenting (ducks
Hmmm... that's an interesting opinion. Could you give an example of somebody who you think is a good presenter?
Don't hear many CEOs make speeches fortunately.
I suppose my biggest bugbear is his repetition of phrases such as 'neat' and 'cool', granted he's lightyears a better presenter than myself. My wedding speech was so bad that I still shudder at the memory, as do others do I'd guess.
Oh James Burke is a master presenter, he of BBC Connections fame.
Bill Hicks wouldve been amazing to watch presenting a keynote.
I suppose my biggest bugbear is his repetition of phrases such as 'neat' and 'cool', granted he's lightyears a better presenter than myself. My wedding speech was so bad that I still shudder at the memory, as do others do I'd guess.
Oh James Burke is a master presenter, he of BBC Connections fame.
Bill Hicks wouldve been amazing to watch presenting a keynote.
I don't think Phil is a bad speaker at all.
I thought it was great at the '99 NY Keynote when he did his "One giant leap for wireless networking"
I thought it was great at the '99 NY Keynote when he did his "One giant leap for wireless networking"
I admit he doesn't have the typical physique of a computer geek, but he is obviously intelligent. You can tell from the choice of words he uses, there are subtle distinctions used that you usually wouldn't expect except from an engineer.
Steve's Keynotes are OK but...
...I think Ballmer does just fine. Great even. Better entertainment value than Steve, thats for sure.
I mean , I cant begin to tell you how I felt the first time I saw him take the stage screaming "Developers, developers, developers...!!!" He was all out of breath, and so into his presentation that he was sweating like an out of shape fat guy (for lack of a better illustration). By the time he was done chanting he had sweat stains down his back and under his arms. And the look on his face, wow. I swear it looked like he was gonna tear someone a new one. It was awe inspiring. I just sat there with my eyes wide open, taking it all in.
Steve could never pull that off. Ol' Stevie boy would rather come out and show products and tell everyone how much better there lives could be with "X" product and how easy they work, etc. Him and his stylish black turtle neck and jeans, with no sweat.
...I think Ballmer does just fine. Great even. Better entertainment value than Steve, thats for sure.
I mean , I cant begin to tell you how I felt the first time I saw him take the stage screaming "Developers, developers, developers...!!!" He was all out of breath, and so into his presentation that he was sweating like an out of shape fat guy (for lack of a better illustration). By the time he was done chanting he had sweat stains down his back and under his arms. And the look on his face, wow. I swear it looked like he was gonna tear someone a new one. It was awe inspiring. I just sat there with my eyes wide open, taking it all in.
Steve could never pull that off. Ol' Stevie boy would rather come out and show products and tell everyone how much better there lives could be with "X" product and how easy they work, etc. Him and his stylish black turtle neck and jeans, with no sweat.
Mr. Durden said:...I think Ballmer does just fine. Great even. Better entertainment value than Steve, thats for sure.
I mean , I cant begin to tell you how I felt the first time I saw him take the stage screaming "Developers, developers, developers...!!!" He was all out of breath, and so into his presentation that he was sweating like an out of shape fat guy (for lack of a better illustration). By the time he was done chanting he had sweat stains down his back and under his arms. And the look on his face, wow. I swear it looked like he was gonna tear someone a new one. It was awe inspiring. I just sat there with my eyes wide open, taking it all in.
Steve could never pull that off. Ol' Stevie boy would rather come out and show products and tell everyone how much better there lives could be with "X" product and how easy they work, etc. Him and his stylish black turtle neck and jeans, with no sweat.
You mean the guy that dances around to Gloria Estefan and yells developers over and over again in his sweat soaked shirt? Yeah, he's entertaining alright.
mfacey said:Could you give an example of somebody who you think is a good presenter?
Carl Sagan. Unfortunately no longer with us.
Steve I think, doesn't seem to like giving presentations.
As for Phil, he has an excuse. He pretty much takes care of all these expos that he also gives presentations at. Plus, its mentioned in a keynote that he had just arrived to give the speech from another event or whatever.
I ran an event once for my college, about 8 performances for a cultural show. I ran from place to place all day, and I had to co-MC the thing. Lets just say, I give excellent presentations... EXCELLENT, but I froze, stumbled, generally looked like an idiot because of the stress on this particular event.
As for Phil, he has an excuse. He pretty much takes care of all these expos that he also gives presentations at. Plus, its mentioned in a keynote that he had just arrived to give the speech from another event or whatever.
I ran an event once for my college, about 8 performances for a cultural show. I ran from place to place all day, and I had to co-MC the thing. Lets just say, I give excellent presentations... EXCELLENT, but I froze, stumbled, generally looked like an idiot because of the stress on this particular event.