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Sanddoc

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I'm thinking of cutting the cord... but it is confusing to me.
I've looked at Pluto TV and it does have many of the shows I like
which are really only about 8.
So if you have been down this road maybe you can assist me.
I've looked at apple TV and Roku Roku is much less expensive
but is it any good. Are anyone using the Roku on their Mac?
If I get rid of Direct TV can I still watch Pluto TV from my internet connection?
Between Pluto TV and OTA and the 500 movies on my laptop that should
be enough to watch.
 
The Roku and AppleTV will connect to your tv and not your Mac. I've had both a previous Roku and currently an AppleTV. I like the layout of the AppleTV better and I can use it to play the things in my TV library on my Mac. Pluto TV is good but they repeat a lot of their shows. I've never regretted cutting the cord because between football on DAZN, Pluto TV, and my library on Mac there's more than enough content to keep me occupied.
 
Roku works fine. Haven’t used mine in years as I upgraded to a new Firestick.

Besides Pluto TV. There is also Freevee and Tubi for free shows.
 
PlutoTV app has no relationship with your DirectTV subscription. It simply needs broadband. It is completely free TV paid for by the commercials that run on it. You can access it on your Mac now through a web browser to get a very good feel for what it offers before choosing a set-top box.

Another good app to pair with it is Stirr, which shares some of the same channels but also has many others. It too is completely free TV paid for by commercials. And it too can be fully sampled through a web browser so you can get a good feel for what you can watch on it.

And there are several other apps that work the same way: some already mentioned by others and apps like Crackle or even Redbox (app) has a selection of free channels to stream too. Generally, if they are free, their revenue is commercials. And some of them will slug commercials in right in the middle of scenes vs. waiting for the natural commercial breaks. This can be abrupt but then will pickup where it should when the shows come back again.

None of these will have many satt/cable channels you may like, and few if any of the major networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CW, PBS). You might get ONE of those... maybe 2 of the majors depending on location. Stirrr will generally offer at least some of ONE local channel. In my area that is my local CBS station.

You might check your local network websites to see if they have their own app. If they do, check to see if you can watch their live broadcast through their app. That might be a way to get that network for free (paid for by the commercials that run on it).

You might also use a website like antennaweb.org, punch in your address and zip code and see what you can pick up with an "old fashioned" antenna. Often this will be the best quality HD you can get for free- even better than getting the same channels via paid satt/cable. Depending on location, you might discover you can get all of the major networks and a bunch of sub channels that sometimes have great classic programming on them too. All of that is free (paid for by commercials that run on those channels).

If you go that way, you might want to buy yourself a tuner(s) from SiliconDust called HDHomeRun and then use their app or great options like the Channels app or Plex to manage your local channels. I personally love Channels, into which you can fold Pluto, Stirrr and others and have a single programming guide showing you everything that is on for all of those free services.

If you dig into that just a little deeper, you'll discover that you can allocate a variety of hard drive storage options to act as a DVR. This can make it easy to store stuff you would like to watch later- just like using a DVR with paid cable or DirecTV, minus their expensive lease fees and needing a lease box on every TV in the house.

There's also Channels & Plex apps for mobile devices, so you can stream your channels to your mobile devices, even when away from home (including being FAR away from home).

All that can deliver hundreds of channels for free (commercials pay for the programming). What will be missing is more popular satt/cable networks and the major networks if you can't get them via over-the-air (antenna) or via their apps if they have one (and if it live streams their broadcast which is not always the case).

If there is something you really love not available that way, you might be able to buy a subscription to a service that offers that one channel or that one show or a group of shows. For example, some people really love some of the programming on the Discovery networks. So for a relatively cheap subscription to their app, you can get those kinds of shows without a cable or satt subscription. Some people really love one sport, so apps like NBA league pass or similar can buy you access to your favorite team's games for the season.

These days there is quite a LOT to watch without having to pay a nickel for the services. If you can be happy with those options- often a lot of classic television instead of brand new productions and live sports- cutting the cord and still having plenty to watch is realistically achievable. A lot of the most popular shows and select live sports are available free on the local networks which can be tapped with an antenna for people who live close enough to a city to get them. I get about 50 free channels via antenna that I actually like: all of the major networks plus a pretty good mix of classic TV/movies on sub channels like MEtv, Comet, Charge, Cozi, Mystery, Story, Decades, H&I, Buzzr, Laff, GetTV, Weathernation, Grit and others.

As to AppleTV vs. ROKU, asking here is going to get you Apple bias. I have both and strongly favor AppleTV myself, mostly for many other benefits beyond only watching streaming television. However, since dollars seem to be influential in the decision-making, ROKU is much better at gathering together free streaming television "channels"/programming to watch than AppleTV, which generally wants to sell you movies & TV and/or rent them. ROKU simply has a lot more of free programming focus than Apple. So if that's the bulk of the interest, you'll probably get more out of a ROKU device.

AppleTV simply "just works" better with Apple ecosystem. It nicely connects with your own stuff on other Apple hardware so you can easily enjoy that as well. But tvOS is definitely much more biased to generating revenue than trying to maximize free TV viewing.

I hope this is helpful.
 
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Thanks Hobe..
that was a lot of info.. I think Roku will be my choice,
I'll probably be buying a new TV this year, and use the current
one in the back room... since newer sets seem to have
Pluto TV and other free tv that will stay in the front room
Thanks again for all this info
Best
 
Thanks to everyone who replied.
I'm off cable (period) but a few minor items have popped up.
1. speed of download.. mine has been at 750 kbs since I
had cable.. so need to increase speed to at least 3mbs
I also connected the antenna I have in the attic which gave
me another 162 local OTA DT I cut that down to 13, one of
which is Antenna TV... just like the streaming channels
When I get the faster speed I think some problems I am having
will smooth out.
Again thanks to all...
 
Pluto TV is a completely free Internet television service that offers hundreds of live channels of content collected from partners and 'net sources. Offers enough complementary programming in the sports and entertainment genres to warrant a look As you relate to paid, live TV services, Pluto TV is a potentially viable solution if you don't want to close the door on cable entirely, or, more importantly, pay for the privilege.

I think Pluto TV is a collection of pre-recorded live streams and tv shows. I am not sure how their model works but I do not think its the same channels on cable but for free.

Thanks to everyone who replied.
I'm off cable (period) but a few minor items have popped up.
1. speed of download.. mine has been at 750 kbs since I
had cable.. so need to increase speed to at least 3mbs
I also connected the antenna I have in the attic which gave
me another 162 local OTA DT I cut that down to 13, one of
which is Antenna TV... just like the streaming channels
When I get the faster speed I think some problems I am having
will smooth out.
Again thanks to all...

750kbs? are you talking to us from the past? the slowest ISP speeds offered now are like 5mbps unless like you live in the middle of no where where only a phone line is available
 
I've used both a Roku and AppleTV... both work fine, however the offerings on each device vary. Roku offers some free content that is exclusive to its devices as does Apple.

Please note that if you have a 4K capable streaming device, it will automatically stream at that resolution. This requires both higher band-width and more data usage than lower resolution content. If you have a limited data streaming plan, you will want to turn off 4K streaming as this will blow through your data cap when viewing a lot of 4K content.

There are a lot of free channels out there, many more popping up every day. Get used to commercials... some are more aggressive than others. Freevee as an app sucks ass. Amazon clearly didn't put much effort into it. Basically it tends to not advance after a commercial and you have to tell it to continue with the content... not a simple click a button fix either.

Paid channels are best binge watched when you know you have at least 30 days of viewing pleasure. Keeping subscribed just to catch a weekly drop of a new episode is cost-ineffective. The show is new forever to you until you actually watch it. No need to catch them first air... wait until the season has ended for the best bang for your buck.

As for a reality check, you are still paying for your internet service... which continues to go up as more and more people switch to streaming. Comcast really doesn't care where you get the content so long as you are using one of its services to get it. Same is true for all the big players. As we switch platforms, so does the cost of using those platforms dramatically rise. Just letting you know that the "free ride" isn't as free as it once was. I fully predict internet service to be nearly as or more expensive than cable or equivalent in short order... making the whole cord cutting movement moot.
 
no offense I did not need anything faster at the time
I don't waste time gaming or watching movies on the net.
and the price was very good... at the time DSL was $22.xx
per month... I did say I am looking into 3mbs DSL
I will not use any of the major internet companies.
even yesterday the person from my service provider said
an upgrade would cost $61 per month I said BYE.
then on the web page IC 3or 5 mbs at $40.
I do have a question and I really don't remember but in
the days before cable did OTA channels show up on the
TV screen? I mean like they do with cable or it's just cycle
through or look up the numbers? Almost everything on OTA
are xx.x
BTW my TV is at least 5 years old,works fine so I don't
need to run out and buy a newer one.
I just read that RoKu sells a TV set now.. but I'm not looking
now, would be nice to have set in the bedroom or maybe not
Sorry I'm just an old fashion "sailor" at sea we did not have
a need for much.
Yes we still need to pay for internet service.
again thanks for all the input..
 
no offense I did not need anything faster at the time
I don't waste time gaming or watching movies on the net.
and the price was very good... at the time DSL was $22.xx
per month... I did say I am looking into 3mbs DSL
I will not use any of the major internet companies.
even yesterday the person from my service provider said
an upgrade would cost $61 per month I said BYE.
then on the web page IC 3or 5 mbs at $40.
I do have a question and I really don't remember but in
the days before cable did OTA channels show up on the
TV screen? I mean like they do with cable or it's just cycle
through or look up the numbers? Almost everything on OTA
are xx.x
BTW my TV is at least 5 years old,works fine so I don't
need to run out and buy a newer one.
I just read that RoKu sells a TV set now.. but I'm not looking
now, would be nice to have set in the bedroom or maybe not
Sorry I'm just an old fashion "sailor" at sea we did not have
a need for much.
Yes we still need to pay for internet service.
again thanks for all the input..
Streaming is a balance between speed and data usage. I have the 2nd cheapest plan that Xfinity offers (currently $62 per month, it went up $4 since last year. The next lowest tier is $10 cheaper at 75 Mbps), it limits streaming data to 1.2TBs per month. Download speed is 200 Mbps and upload speed is 5 Mbps. I've used as much as 528 GBs when binge watching paid streaming services (limited to 1080p only) and as little as 92 GBs when I was hardly watching it. I can easily hit the data cap when watching content at 4K. If I exceed the data cap, I can incur a $50 - $100 usage charge.

I own my own cable modem as there would be a rental fee if I did not. I also bundle my phone service with my internet service so I share data between the two. I don't really have a data plan (I get 1 GB per month), but it only costs me ~$15 a month versus all the other carriers out there. This is why I use Xfinity.

Keep in mind that most pricing schemes are cheaper initially, then jump to the standard rate after 6-12 months. So a new Xfinity subscriber can get my plan for far less initially, but then will end up paying what I pay now.

I live fairly close to a major metropolitan area (Seattle), so OTA is an option... HOWEVER, everything from rain to aircraft interfere with the reception. For example, I can scan channels and get say NBC and CBS where my OTA is placed one day, but if the weather turns gray, I lose reception of CBS. If I arrange it so that I get ABC and NBC, I no longer get CBS and have the same interference issues. You also can pick up a myriad of other odd channels (shopping et al) OTA, but odds are pretty good your TV will claim to receive the channels but in the end not be able to actually deliver them (signal breaks up or you lose signal). So in a nutshell, OTA is a crapshoot for most people. You have better luck streaming said channels directly or getting a streaming app that taps into some of their programming. OTA channels aren't as simple as channel 7 for CBS for example. You will likely have to surf the channels to hit the channel you want as opposed to hitting a number on your remote. Less convenient but it is free.

Free channels such as Pluto have content that comes and goes... so it's not like that show you love will be streaming forever. They cycle through content constantly. Same is true for any non-paid content/channels.

My TV is older than 5 years old. So long as it is capable of receiving internet via wi-fi or ethernet, it should be fine. You have to have a 4K capable TV to stream 4K content. Some TVs (Smart TVs) already allow you to stream some channels directly without having a streaming box but in reality, you need a streaming box for the best possible selection of apps to connect to. Sony, the maker of my TV, has some channels but has basically dropped support for the TV and said channels, so you really have to have a streaming box of some kind in the long run. A Roku TV is basically a TV with a built in Roku streaming device. So you don't need a streaming device with it.

So in a nutshell, to do what you want to do, you need an OTA if free local channels interest you. Totally free (sans the OTA purchase), but limited selection/reliability. For streaming you will need a internet capable TV (Wi-fi or ethernet support), a streaming box of some kind (in almost all cases), a cable or dsl modem (provider dependent), and an internet service. You can then stream wirelessly to the TV or box or hard wire it with ethernet cabling (most reliable). Honestly $60 a month is probably about what you should expect to pay after initial pricing ends. Considering most people have both TV and internet, it is still a substantial cost savings if you drop the TV.

Maybe post the kinds of shows you typically watch or want to watch. Some apps claim to offer said shows for free but they aren't actually available anymore to watch or only offer a few episodes with the bulk of the content behind a pay wall.
 
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