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I've been using a WD My Passport as a Time Machine backup for maybe 10 years now. Today I pulled it in and got this error:

"The disk “Time Machine” can’t be unlocked.

A problem was detected with the disk that prevents it from being unlocked."

A new one looks about $100. But I'd like to have one that's connected to my Linksys Velop for automatic backups. Any suggestions on what kind to buy for this or what else I might need? I tried just plugging it in a few years ago but that didn't work.

I do have an iMac G4 that's currently not turned on. I think I just need a power cord (cheap, just been lazy) and I would still need a large, external drive. And a network adaptor but I can move the Velop in that room over and use it wired. I'd imagine backup speeds would be slower.
 
I've been using a WD My Passport as a Time Machine backup for maybe 10 years now. Today I pulled it in and got this error:

"The disk “Time Machine” can’t be unlocked.

A problem was detected with the disk that prevents it from being unlocked."
Are you being prompted to enter a password to decrypt and mount the drive?
 
Network connected TM disks are SLOW and often unreliable, especially over wifi. Be warned. May take days to finish first backup and if it runs into corruption, you need to start from scratch. My experience few years ago has been poor - but others are using it, so it must be working on some systems well enough.

Now, you need for the Linksys to support use for TimeMachine. Check it lists that as option. If yes, you need to share the disk as smb from the Linksys (likely requires configuration), mount it on Mac and then you should be able to setup TimeMachine to use it. I suspect Apple may have step by step instructions which Google can find. Or ask ChatGPT or Gemini to provide step by step instructions.
 
Are you being prompted to enter a password to decrypt and mount the drive?
Nope. The message I posted is all I get. I was doing a backup and it failed in the middle of it. It's full and has to delete as it goes. Maybe that's part of why it failed?
 
Network connected TM disks are SLOW and often unreliable, especially over wifi. Be warned. May take days to finish first backup and if it runs into corruption, you need to start from scratch. My experience few years ago has been poor - but others are using it, so it must be working on some systems well enough.

Now, you need for the Linksys to support use for TimeMachine. Check it lists that as option. If yes, you need to share the disk as smb from the Linksys (likely requires configuration), mount it on Mac and then you should be able to setup TimeMachine to use it. I suspect Apple may have step by step instructions which Google can find. Or ask ChatGPT or Gemini to provide step by step instructions.
I don't mind it taking a while to do a backup. It can do its thing while sitting there or while I'm using it. Reliability is what worries me. I'm also a little worried about having it stuck to the router. So let's say there's a fire or I'm evacuating from a hurricane, I can just grab my portable HDD. It might not be as easy to get to that network drive.

I also have pretty much everything important backed up to iCloud but I'd rather have a TM backup.
 
Reliability is what worries me.
If you really did get around 10 years out of your WD, that was a good run. HD's don't last for decades. Years would be more like it. A quick search says to expect around 4 to 6 years for a WD drive used for TM backups.

Get another drive, use it like you did the last one, but this time be proactive and don't wait until year 10 for the uh-oh moment. The 5 year mark might be a good time to shop for a new one.
 
I'll do that. I don't really mind it failing this way since I still have all my content on my device.

Maybe I'll look into a NAS later. It'll be good for redundancy and local storage of security camera but I'd like to have something sooner and more reliable.
 
Nope. The message I posted is all I get. I was doing a backup and it failed in the middle of it. It's full and has to delete as it goes. Maybe that's part of why it failed?
You can try to run Disk utility on it, but TM disks take forever on Disk Utility and usually cannot be repaired anyway. I would reformat the disk and buy a new one.
I bought 4TB SSD (one of those SATA connected ones) instead of HD and use that for TM. It is MUCH faster and quiet. It is more expensive, though...
 
Good idea on the SSD. I can’t remember if those are best for backups or not. I don’t mind spending a little more for speed and reliability, though.
 
Whatever you buy, get two of them. Then, once a week (or a month, or whenever you think of it) swap them—Time Machine will happily maintain different backup paths, getting each caught back up when you re-connect it and pausing the other when it's not connected. Then you'll have two complete copies of your data at different points in time. Even better, store the one that's offline in a different location than your house.

This also solves the problem if one of them dies again in the future, you'll still have an up-to-date copy of all your files somewhere other than just on your computer.

Also, what others have said: 10 years of service from one of those cheap portable mechanical hard drives is pretty spectacular. You got your money's worth. Those 2.5" drives in particular were not the most reliable things.
 
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Crikey I’ve got 6 of these WD ones chugging away as back up drives. 15 years old & still rocking.. 3 are direct TM of the other 3 so every few months I plug the pairs in & away they go backing up.
 
I've been using a WD My Passport as a Time Machine backup for maybe 10 years now. Today I pulled it in and got this error:

"The disk “Time Machine” can’t be unlocked.

A problem was detected with the disk that prevents it from being unlocked."

A new one looks about $100. But I'd like to have one that's connected to my Linksys Velop for automatic backups. Any suggestions on what kind to buy for this or what else I might need? I tried just plugging it in a few years ago but that didn't work.

I do have an iMac G4 that's currently not turned on. I think I just need a power cord (cheap, just been lazy) and I would still need a large, external drive. And a network adaptor but I can move the Velop in that room over and use it wired. I'd imagine backup speeds would be slower.
According to most HDD OEM's if a consumer grade part, they have an "Average Statistical Lifespan of "about" 5 Years". This of course assuming no G-Force impact while powered on, also that it likely to be powered on more often than not, just typical wear and tear, like you moving your arm up and down by your side more often than not.

If no critical data, might as well fully re-format and then run a quality SMART utility to check its health. Since FileVault and BitLocker are full access encryption technologies, it just takes a corruption in just the right, and sadly, fairly easily, right space, and then the ability for turning off the encryption and repairing the disk becomes much more challenging.

Key to this is that it's suppose to be a "redundant backup" not single point of existence for life important/critical data, as it's not a matter of IF, but rather WHEN it will fail.
 
Network connected TM disks are SLOW and often unreliable, especially over wifi. Be warned. May take days to finish first backup and if it runs into corruption, you need to start from scratch. My experience few years ago has been poor - but others are using it, so it must be working on some systems well enough.

Now, you need for the Linksys to support use for TimeMachine. Check it lists that as option. If yes, you need to share the disk as smb from the Linksys (likely requires configuration), mount it on Mac and then you should be able to setup TimeMachine to use it. I suspect Apple may have step by step instructions which Google can find. Or ask ChatGPT or Gemini to provide step by step instructions.
In a general sense, this is true, direct connected vs wifi+ethernet. If someone has a more modern infrastructure at home, WiFi 6E and at least 1Gbps ethernet connected devices, a backup can indeed complete surprisingly fast. Certainly the overhead of the HostOS plays a good role in this....Windows 10, 11, Linux, NAS.

It's true that Time Machine now strictly uses SMB, having deprecated AFP sometime ago. Now an NTFS SMB share works, but find a NAS EXT4 share works faster and more reliable, and of course the HFS+ over APFS, because of copious data repair/recover tools. If Windows 10 V24H2 or Windows 11, supports SMB 3.1.1 by default but can negotiate down to SMB2 as needed, but I've still has periodic reliability issues with a Windows Share, but your mileage may differ. I use a RAID1 Synology NAS with native Time Machine support on a full 1Gbps backbone. I think the first FULL backup ~512GB took about 4 hours, but all the subsequent incremental were done in the blink of the eye.

Keep in mind, that up to macOS 10.15 Catalina, you could format an EXT HDD/SSD as HFS+ while allows you to cut/copy/drag/drop/paste to and from the drive AND use it for Time Machine. Starting with macOS 11, that became APFS only, and that consumes the entire EXT HDD/SSD for Time Machine use ONLY. The recovery and repair tools for APFS are barely there (Disk Utility) compared to HFS+

So I keep a 2017 MacBook Air around, simple for formatting EXT devices for me or clients, and do a FIRST, small Time Machine Backup to that drive. MacOS 11 - 26 will recognize this existing format and backup, and happily use it as it is....otherwise it WILL COMPLETELY REFORMAT the drive losing all existing data.

Either way, you want to have the Time Machine (DRIVE) on a UPS, don't want any write failure corruptions as it might corrupt the whole drive.
 
You can try to run Disk utility on it, but TM disks take forever on Disk Utility and usually cannot be repaired anyway. I would reformat the disk and buy a new one.
I bought 4TB SSD (one of those SATA connected ones) instead of HD and use that for TM. It is MUCH faster and quiet. It is more expensive, though...
Typically what you would want to do it hold the Option key while clicking on the Time Machine icon, there you have a Verify Backups, this calls a special Time Machine subsystem routine to verify, compared to the standard Disk Utility functionality. Effectively sudo tmutil verifychecksums /Path/to/backup/drive. There are several other "tmutil" commands one can use from a terminal window.

SSD are faster and more quite, but keep in mind, they have "wear leveling" and a very definitive average life of 1, 3, 5 years depending on the $$$ and the associated TBW, which with Time Machine usage may hit that TBW in a couple of years anyway, that TBW is much more accurate for it's failure point.
 
Fishrrman's "there he goes again, like a broken record" advice:

If you want a backup that WON'T fail on you, STOP USING time machine and start using either CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper.

CCC is a bit more complex, but it offers a little more (such as a "safety net" that saves older, changed files similar to tm).

SD is simple and easy-to-use.

Both create cloned backups that (when needed) "mount right up" in the finder, in "plain old finder format", no sparsebundles to fool or break on you.

BOTH are free to download and try out.
 
Typically what you would want to do it hold the Option key while clicking on the Time Machine icon, there you have a Verify Backups, this calls a special Time Machine subsystem routine to verify, compared to the standard Disk Utility functionality. Effectively sudo tmutil verifychecksums /Path/to/backup/drive. There are several other "tmutil" commands one can use from a terminal window.

SSD are faster and more quite, but keep in mind, they have "wear leveling" and a very definitive average life of 1, 3, 5 years depending on the $$$ and the associated TBW, which with Time Machine usage may hit that TBW in a couple of years anyway, that TBW is much more accurate for it's failure point.
Well, option click on anything with TM icon does not bring "verify backup" option for me. I tried disk itself, folder on the disk, icon in TM configuration window,... I am sure I can run the commands manually in terminal, though...

For SSDs lifetime - I think you are incorrect... Considering how TM works, I think TBW are much less issue than for SSDs used for normal operations. TM records chunks of data only once and links them again as needed, so it actually writes the data much less often than would be if it was simply backing up. Most of the data on my SSD are pretty stable and so they get written the first time and reused more or less forever. I have not had chance to look at my SSD TM TBW, it is not trivial on macOS to check, but I would be surprised if my 1TB SSD I am backing up on 4TB TM (external SSD) have written each cells even once. My few months of TM backups by now mushroomed to ~1.8GB of backups. Yes, some was pruned out, but that is likely not that much to cause high TBW. Typical hourly backup is ~1GB, I occasionally check. And wear leveling here helps as it does not reuse some cells excessively.
 
Well, option click on anything with TM icon does not bring "verify backup" option for me. I tried disk itself, folder on the disk, icon in TM configuration window,... I am sure I can run the commands manually in terminal, though...

For SSDs lifetime - I think you are incorrect... Considering how TM works, I think TBW are much less issue than for SSDs used for normal operations. TM records chunks of data only once and links them again as needed, so it actually writes the data much less often than would be if it was simply backing up. Most of the data on my SSD are pretty stable and so they get written the first time and reused more or less forever. I have not had chance to look at my SSD TM TBW, it is not trivial on macOS to check, but I would be surprised if my 1TB SSD I am backing up on 4TB TM (external SSD) have written each cells even once. My few months of TM backups by now mushroomed to ~1.8GB of backups. Yes, some was pruned out, but that is likely not that much to cause high TBW. Typical hourly backup is ~1GB, I occasionally check. And wear leveling here helps as it does not reuse some cells excessively.
Regardless of the application in question...and Time Machine isn't some special magic app in how it reads or writes, those are all universal. Maybe Time Machine is more frugal than CCC or SD, if so, great, but the point remains the same, WRITES. Of course, just as a backup destination, it's must less writes than say a gaming computer, or crypto or video editing, etc. but it's still writing. Likely it would take longer to hit that TBW threshold just as a backup target. In any case, not going into the TRIM function, the point was that an SSD DOES have a limited life just like an HDD, but for different and more critical reasons...TBW isn't an HDD issue. If

  • SSD endurance: TBW is a key metric for SSD endurance, as every write operation causes a tiny amount of wear to the flash memory cells.
  • Higher TBW is better: A higher TBW rating means the drive is rated to last longer and can handle more write operations over its lifespan.
  • Factors influencing TBW: The TBW rating is based on the drive's capacity and the number of write cycles its NAND flash memory can endure. Larger capacity drives typically have higher TBW ratings because they have more flash memory cells.
You get what you pay for in any SSD, and most are going for the cheapest they can find, thinking they have scored an epic win, but that is not always the case. Choose wisely!


SSD TypeNumber of Layers/Bits per NAND CellExpected Lifespan in Program/Erase CyclesUse Case
Single Level Cell (SLC)150,000-100,000High intensity write operations
Multi Level Cell (MLC)210,000Enterprise data center
Triple Level Cell (TLC)33,000Digital consumer products
Quad Level Cell (QLC)42,000Read-heavy operations, AI/ML, streaming media/content delivery
Penta Level Cell (PLC)5n/aLong term storage, data archives

You can count that is, say Samsung has a 5 year warranty on a part, it's TBW is also very high, compared to a WD Blue or some budget Chinese brand.

The main types of SSD cells are:

Single-Level Cell (SLC), Multi-Level Cell (MLC), Triple-Level Cell (TLC), and Quad-Level Cell (QLC), which differ in the number of bits they store per cell, impacting performance, endurance, and cost. SLC is the fastest, most durable, and most expensive, while QLC is the cheapest with the lowest endurance, making it ideal for read-heavy or archival storage. TLC and MLC offer a balance between cost and performance, with TLC being more common in consumer products today for its higher density and lower price.

A product like Crystal Disk Info, which is sadly at this point, only for Windows, but will still work if you connect your macOS formatted drive to a Windows computer and run this, as it's a query of the controller chip, so platform agnostic, you can over time monitor your SSD heath.

Interesting, a quick search would imply Option+TimeMachine Icon should still work in macOS 26.x I'll try it later to confirm.
 
Fishrrman's "there he goes again, like a broken record" advice:

If you want a backup that WON'T fail on you, STOP USING time machine and start using either CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper.

CCC is a bit more complex, but it offers a little more (such as a "safety net" that saves older, changed files similar to tm).

SD is simple and easy-to-use.

Both create cloned backups that (when needed) "mount right up" in the finder, in "plain old finder format", no sparsebundles to fool or break on you.

BOTH are free to download and try out.
Would you please post links to both official websites for the products you mentioned.
 
Fishrrman's "there he goes again, like a broken record" advice:

If you want a backup that WON'T fail on you, STOP USING time machine and start using either CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper.

CCC is a bit more complex, but it offers a little more (such as a "safety net" that saves older, changed files similar to tm).

SD is simple and easy-to-use.

Both create cloned backups that (when needed) "mount right up" in the finder, in "plain old finder format", no sparsebundles to fool or break on you.

BOTH are free to download and try out.
layman here who just uses their airport time capsule for god knows how many years. are these tools any different from just using the `dd` command on the internal drive?
 
Would you please post links to both official websites for the products you mentioned.


On a follow-up, I checked later the whole Option+TimeMachine icon, and indeed it's not showing VerifyBackup as it always has. Even more strange, at least according to Apple, even under Tahoe, it should. I'll look into it more in the next few days.

 


On a follow-up, I checked later the whole Option+TimeMachine icon, and indeed it's not showing VerifyBackup as it always has. Even more strange, at least according to Apple, even under Tahoe, it should. I'll look into it more in the next few days.

Thank you for the links.
 
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