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Just about privacy.

Today I counted (ASD) 47 references to privacy on the web.

Simultaneously trying to view, learn, comment and contribute.

Where does my privacy begin and end?

Without the technical knowledge, how do I keep my security and still be available? Not that anyone ever contacts me; but you get the drift.

The concern is growing in my paranoia box of a mind and having found this all world place I fear that I may have to dump the lot sooner than later. Just to clear my mind of such stuff.

Comments welcome and replies likely o_O
 
Just about privacy.

Today I counted (ASD) 47 references to privacy on the web.

Simultaneously trying to view, learn, comment and contribute.

Where does my privacy begin and end?

Without the technical knowledge, how do I keep my security and still be available? Not that anyone ever contacts me; but you get the drift.

The concern is growing in my paranoia box of a mind and having found this all world place I fear that I may have to dump the lot sooner than later. Just to clear my mind of such stuff.

Comments welcome and replies likely o_O

I think privacy is now like freedom. Yours ends where the next guy's (or company's) begins. Not sure we actually have traditional privacy anymore - or ever did when it comes to the online world.

But if we don't argue for it, fight for it, and make the case for it - that is, privacy - it will be eroded.

With the development of the sort of tech that facilitates social media, it is not just the technology that serves to erode personal space and privacy, but the model, too.

If a service is provided "free", then you, the user, and more importantly, your data, is the transacted or sold good, and is what is sold as an incentive, or lure to advertisers. This means that you - and your data - are the product.
 
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If you're starting on privacy now, I don't know what to tell you, other than it's probably far too late to try to squeeze the genie back in the lantern. I guess you could cut it off. But if you're relying on memberships to companies, or benefits from the state, or any of these other social organizations to interact with the world, I think you probably have no choice but to be a cog in their machine.

Personally, I think enough of us saw all the dystopian sci-fi as kids that when the internet arrived, it seemed pretty normal to think the idea of putting any of your own info online was completely reckless and just asking for trouble. So when ultimately I did find that my bank and the state had put the info they had on me online, I did what I had been doing to avoid junk mail, and obfuscated it by changing everything anyone had on me to incorrect info. I don't join organizations or sign up for crap, and I'll never own another cellphone, so all I need are some old lady sunglasses and a manifesto to complete the picture. So far only once, when returning to college, the tangled jumble of misinformation I'd created over the last 30 years caused some issues, but I was able to sort that out in person, and then once I was accepted, I immediately change it all to nonsense again. Any algorithm or human looking at the long record of contradictory information on me should have no way of knowing which few items are real in the birds nest of incorrect info. I went to sign up for paypal at one point, and was somewhat pleased when an investigator called me citing the patriot act, trying to parse though all this data and figure out who I was, how old I was, what country I'm from, all of it, and decided to ignore them. My personal computers stay offline, and my company operates on an intranet that has no connection to the internet. I might be about as non-participatory as you can get and still use a computer at all, and it probably sounds like a herculean effort over decades, but it's not, it's less effort and stress to just not use participate in services you don't like, and if that means living in the real world instead, then spend your time in an old wooden canoe on a pretty lake and enjoy the way the gentle breeze swirls the ripples around on the water and the leaves on the willows, and realize if you'd spent the rest of your life staring at a computer you'd never see anything as beautiful as that scene, and there's a new one every second.

Frankly, I think I'm just burned out on pretty much everything in the entire last 30 years of life in this culture. You may not be. Maybe there's a tipping point we cross, or maybe it's a journey down a long path we're all making our way down. I dunno.
 
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That doesn't mean it has to be accepted and cannot be challenged, amended, or (perhaps eventually) regulated (as I expect may happen over time).
I agree with you absolutely. It is one of the areas where the EU (in our case) should've taken much more serious and effective measures, instead of dealing with the curve of banana, the consumption of Lakritz by Finns or poppy seeds in pastry by Hungarians etc.
 
If you're starting on becoming privacy now, I don't know what to tell you, other than it's probably far too late to try to squeeze the genie back in the lantern. I guess you could cut it off. But if you're relying on memberships to companies, or benefits from the state, or any of these other social organizations to interact with the world, I think you probably have no choice but to be a cog in their machine.

Personally, I think enough of us saw all the dystopian sci-fi as kids that when the internet arrived, it seemed pretty normal to think the idea of putting any of your own info online was completely reckless and just asking for trouble. So when ultimately I did find that my bank and the state had put the info they had on me online, I did what I had been doing to avoid junk mail, and obfuscated it by changing everything anyone had on me to incorrect info. I don't join organizations or sign up for crap, and I'll never own another cellphone, so all I need are some old lady sunglasses and a manifesto to complete the picture. So far only once, when returning to college, the tangled jumble of misinformation I'd created over the last 30 years caused some issues, but I was able to sort that out in person, and then once I was accepted, I immediately change it all to nonsense again. Any algorithm or human looking at the long record of contradictory information on me should have no way of knowing which few items are real in the birds nest of incorrect info. I went to sign up for paypal at one point, and was somewhat pleased when an investigator called me citing the patriot act, trying to parse though all this data and figure out who I was, how old I was, what country I'm from, all of it, and decided to ignore them. My personal computers stay offline, and my company operates on an intranet that has no connection to the internet. I might be about as non-participatory as you can get and still use a computer at all, and it probably sounds like a herculean effort over decades, but it's not, it's less effort and stress to just not use participate in services you don't like, and if that means living in the real world instead, then spend your time in an old wooden canoe on a pretty lake and enjoy the way the gentle breeze swirls the ripples around on the water and the leaves on the willows, and realize if you'd spent the rest of your life staring at a computer you'd never see anything as beautiful as that scene, and there's a new one every second.

Frankly, I think I'm just burned out on pretty much everything in the entire last 30 years of life in this culture. You may not be. Maybe there's a tipping point we cross, or maybe it's a journey down a long path we're all making our way down. I dunno.

Thank you for waking me up. I lived in the mountains in an arts community, and was so busy playing music and traveling, I missed 5 years of my daughter growing up. Biggest regret of my life, but now I spend a good deal of my time connected to this damn digital babysitter, with my perfect online personality and all that bs. I think your picture of reality is just the medicine, I need. I have closed most social app accts, and don't post publicly except on here, where everyone can trusted hehe. I like your idea of baffling them with bs tho. May try that false info thing. Thank you, for your beautiful picture.
 
Just about privacy.

Today I counted (ASD) 47 references to privacy on the web.

Simultaneously trying to view, learn, comment and contribute.

Where does my privacy begin and end?

Without the technical knowledge, how do I keep my security and still be available? Not that anyone ever contacts me; but you get the drift.

The concern is growing in my paranoia box of a mind and having found this all world place I fear that I may have to dump the lot sooner than later. Just to clear my mind of such stuff.

Comments welcome and replies likely o_O

1. Get rid of your smart phone NOW!
2. Consider the shareware Little Snitch.
3. Consider a password manager shareware and use separate passwords for every web site!
4. Buy a prepaid credit card to use when buying online stores!
5. Take everything with a grain of salt attitude!
 
So I either, leave everything to chance, confuse the hell out of myself with mis-information, employ protective software, be more self aware or?

Cannot catch a bus that has passed already.

But from what you all say in essence is that my paranoia could be countered by a large dose of anti-ego.

My real worth is massively small and the likelihood of anyone needing or wanting to have a go at ripping me off in some way (apart from the Uber Eating thing on credit cards) is remote to say the least.
Yup!
Not worth the effort really so just get on with life!
 
It is also possible to set limits - or boundaries - on how one chooses to interact with the online world; not every platform needs to be joined, irrespective of how fashionable or alluring it is.

And - re "free" services, it is just as well to be aware of the fact that if a service (a platform or something of the sort) is "free" then, you and your data are the product that is sold to those for whom such things are of interest.
 
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I agree with you absolutely. It is one of the areas where the EU (in our case) should've taken much more serious and effective measures, instead of dealing with the curve of banana, the consumption of Lakritz by Finns or poppy seeds in pastry by Hungarians etc.

And then there's USA... we all have our tribulations when it comes to relatively trivial legislative efforts undertaken --often with great fanfare!-- to distract from having kicked the can down the road on major, pressing issues affecting everyone. Certainly data privacy is one issue the USA comes late to the plate on, and not least because some corporate interests think that laggard approach of legislators is just the ticket to their continued profitability...

Personally I've started lately to think harder about the differences between "privacy" and "anonymity". I've seen huge differences in how both those concepts play out in urban, suburban, rural and small village settings. But there are differences in "privacy" and "anonymity" in online versus brick-and-mortar life too, and perhaps most vexingly in their overlap.

I'll leave it at that for now because it's summertime and traditionally my season of rest, relaxation and downright laziness. I do like it that I bother to make notes to myself though about things that matter to me and deserve more attention after my self-indulgences of the season.... I guess this is even one of those notes :rolleyes: so whoever bumps into this post is certainly well advised to just keep on scrolling.

[going back to my stack of deep dives into Caribbean writing this season, it's not all just lazing around in my summers after all...or at least I try to put some focus into some part of each day. Today's reading is from Trinidad Noir, a wonderful collection of short stories and a couple of longer works, edited by Earl Lovelace and Robert Antoni]​
 
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