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ChatGPT apps? Do people not just use the actual website, because it sure seems to work fine on mobile Safari 😅

(it's quite helpful at keeping from getting bored at work)
 
This is exactly the reason why Apple cannot use the excuse that if 'sideloading' is enabled the App Store would be more vulnerable. The App Store reached the Google Play Store level of crapware with fake apps, games with 30-seconds ads every 2 minutes and malware. Phill Schiller warned the executives about the downgrade of quality (as seen in court documents) it's left for dead and rot for years due to New Gen/Financial focused employees focussing on revenue rather quality.

It's been 6 years that I last visited the App Store. It's ridiculously bad.
 
Stop misleading people, this is the Mac App Store, nothing like the Walled garden which is IOS & IPADOS 😡
And this actually shows, the consequences of an Open Platform!
You telling me Apple doesn't review apps before approving them on the Mac App store?

And you telling me there are no scam and fake apps on the iOS App store?


The problem of scam iOS apps has dogged Apple's ‌‌App Store‌‌ for some years now. Back in 2012, Apple's Phil Schiller was absolutely furious when a fake app made it to the top of the ‌‌App Store‌‌ rankings, according to documents shared in the Epic v. Apple trial.






 
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But I was told the reason we couldn’t have sideloading on iOS/iPadOS was to protect us from scams like this!
Nothing is going to stop all scammers. You have to still use your brain when downloading stuff.

It's a level of protection versus zero protection on with sideloading or downloading from the internet. It's like having a store and saying well people are still going to get away with shoplifting so lets not have any security. Some amount of protection is better than zero protection.

This being said, I think side loading is going to become a thing unfortunately. At that point we will all be forced to download apps from outside sources and we'll have to be more careful. The people I feel sorry for will be the non-techie people who download malware.
 
Looks like the engineers' jobs are saved for now. 🧻

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So much for curation. Apple is really dropping the ball on App Store curation. As an example in the Apple TV App Store they still recommend a food network app that was disabled in July 2023
 
I looked at reviews for all these chatgpt and ai art apps and it was like completely chaos with such obviously bots and fake reviews to push them up the app charts and then you see the real reviews from users saying they all being ripped off and charged for nothing.

Why is this 💩 even allowed on the App Store? Tim Cook said he doesn’t want a flea store. Phil Schiller said in email to other execs that this looks terrible.
 
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Either:
1) Apple is incompetent at policing the App Store, or
2) Apple has a vested (30%) interest in looking the other way on many scams

I can't think of any other reason why these situations keep happening again and again.

If the reason is #2, Apple are really hurting themselves in the long run to make some more money now.

I don't know what the real reason is, but situations such as this really shine a negative spotlight on the App Store.
 
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So, we are to believe that the Venn diagram of “App Store users that don’t know better” and “App Store users that know what ChatGPT is” are NOT two completely separate circles?
I did not fall for any scam apps (because I'm cynical AF) but it's pretty easy to fall prey to this - especially as Apple keeps harping on about how curated their store is.
It's disappointing that the app review process does not flag such apps.
 
If Apple really were serious about this, each developer account would be tied to an actual verified government identification document such as a passport.

Then when a developer is caught scamming, gaming the reviews, or blatantly copying someone else's copyrighted app, you ban them from the Apple developer ecosystem for life.

I mean, this isn't rocket science. Where there's a will... but maybe Apple just doesn't have the will?
 
Then when a developer is caught scamming, gaming the reviews, or blatantly copying someone else's copyrighted app, you ban them from the Apple developer ecosystem for life.
As I understand it, Apple already does the "banning" part you mentioned. A government-issued ID is not required for that.

The problem seems to be that Apple cannot properly review the mass of apps in its review hopper, without cutting corners. Further, scammy app developers are getting better at coding their apps in a way that will evade Apple's automated review tools and processes.

I also feel yucky about having to wade through the hundreds of sketchy-looking apps when I'm searching for something genuinely useful. Most of the time, I just give up on the Mac App Store and do a Web search for anything that might work, Apple-approved or not. The App Store is a convenience, but it's also fallible and will always be. The Microsoft Store for purchasing and managing apps is no better, and Google hasn't done a bang-up job with the Play Store either. Even Setapp has its lemons.

Caveat emptor, as they say.
 
Stop misleading people, this is the Mac App Store, nothing like the Walled garden which is IOS & IPADOS 😡
And this actually shows, the consequences of an Open Platform!
Except we aren't talking about outside apps being installed we are taking about apps available on Apple's curated and supposedly proected app store. I would be far more inclined to trust a Chat GPT app downloaded directly from the makers website than an app store app calling itself Chat GPT. We all know at this point that scam apps are a dime a dozen on both Mac OS as well as iOS.
 
Just a teaser for what it about to come when side loading is enforced by Governments.
Do you actually believe the scam app in question was side loaded? If not then what are you even taking about? Considering this app was downloaded from Apple's own controlled app store and not an outside source proves the exact opposite of the point you were trying to make. Clearly Apple can't protect us and we'd be better off getting our apps directly from the developers and cutting out the incompetent greedy middle man.
 
AI in general does have a certain "creepiness" to it, in that it's increasingly programmed to be more like us while still clearly not hitting the mark in many areas. There are a lot of beneficial and potentially good uses for it, along with a degree of danger.

I think we might be surprised to know how much "artificial intelligence" is already present in the products we own. A good example might be automobiles. Most cars made nowadays have a built-in network of microprocessors that communicate with each other to make decisions based on the condition of the other systems, to increase driver comfort or prolong the life of certain components. It doesn't have a language-based interface, but it does have a certain degree of programmed "intelligence."

The danger with chatGPT in particular is that the language model is so sophisticated that it can be mistaken for a human, yet it often spews out disinformation and falsehoods as if they were true. Fortunately, its programmers have created modesty subroutines to allow it to recognize its own mistakes, but that's only when the mistakes are actually pointed out. There are a lot of people who will take chatGPT at face value (like people who take the news media or TV at face value), believing it to be true simply because it uses language that people normally use and seems to "know" a great deal of things. Maybe I'm missing your point, though 😌
the modesty around admitting errors extends to when when you falsely point out errors in text that actually is factually correct (or close to).

ChatGTP has strong obsequiousness and sycophant learnings.
 
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As I understand it, Apple already does the "banning" part you mentioned. A government-issued ID is not required for that.

The problem seems to be that Apple cannot properly review the mass of apps in its review hopper, without cutting corners. Further, scammy app developers are getting better at coding their apps in a way that will evade Apple's automated review tools and processes.

I also feel yucky about having to wade through the hundreds of sketchy-looking apps when I'm searching for something genuinely useful. Most of the time, I just give up on the Mac App Store and do a Web search for anything that might work, Apple-approved or not. The App Store is a convenience, but it's also fallible and will always be. The Microsoft Store for purchasing and managing apps is no better, and Google hasn't done a bang-up job with the Play Store either. Even Setapp has its lemons.

Caveat emptor, as they say.

Sure, Apple can ban the developer now.

But how easy is for the developer to simply create another account?

Tie the account to his personal ID, and that particular developer is banned for life.

It's making the creation of another account harder that my government ID suggestion is for.

And yes, no App Store is perfect - far from it. But can you honestly say Apple is properly even trying?
 
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I gave up on Apple's App store long ago. It has become a scammer's paradise.
Asked ChatGPT to write a song to the tune of Gangster’s Paradise:
Sure! Here's my take on it:

Verse 1:
As I browse through Apple's store
I can't help but feel unsure
The scammers lurking in the night
Their schemes all ready to ignite

I try to find a decent app
But all I see is cheap and crap
They promise features, bells and whistles
But their crooked deals are just a missile

Chorus:
The Mac App Store's a scammers paradise
Where deceitful minds make their dime
It's a trap for the unwary eyes
Their illusions hiding behind a prime

Verse 2:
The reviews all seem too good to be true
But I guess that's what scammers do
They steal your money with a smile
While your trust and hopes are in denial

No refund, no recourse
Your wallet is empty, your heart's remorse
Their apps crashing, full of bugs
But their bank accounts on the rise, no tugs

Chorus:
The Mac App Store's a scammers paradise
Where deceitful minds make their dime
It's a trap for the unwary eyes
Their illusions hiding behind a prime

Verse 3:
Apple, where have you gone?
Your store's a jungle, where's the lawn?
Your users, your loyal flock
But your store's full of broken clocks

We need protection, we need trust
We need a store that's fair and just
So scammers, take your apps elsewhere
And let us breathe a scam-free air

Chorus:
The Mac App Store's a scammers paradise
Where deceitful minds make their dime
It's a trap for the unwary eyes
Their illusions hiding behind a prime.
 
Sure, Apple can ban the developer now.

But how easy is for the developer to simply create another account?

Tie the account to his personal ID, and that particular developer is banned for life.

It's making the creation of another account harder that my government ID suggestion is for.
I see your point about tying accounts to personal ID.

Actually, I just found a reference on the Apple Developer website that states that submission of a "driver’s license or government-issued photo ID" is already a requirement (https://developer.apple.com/support/app-account/#verify).

I'm not sure what else can be done at this point. Any other ideas?
 
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