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iPhone Pull Down to View iMessage Marks as "Read"

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ncsmith4

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I see this being a big usability issue...

I have message previews turned OFF. So when I get an iMessage, it just shows the person's name, and iMessage. If I pull down to actually just LOOK at the message, iOS 8 (B2) marks that iMessage as "read" and removes it from Notification Center, AND takes the badge off of the Messages app. That's VERY frustrating for people who maybe cannot reply to the message right away but want to actually see what the iMessage says.

Same goes for "long" messages even if message preview is ON. If you get a longer message than the banner notification will allow, and you pull down to just LOOK AT the full message, but maybe you can't reply right away, that message is marked as read and the badge is removed.

Shouldn't the Message and the badge "persist" until some other action is taken?
 
Are you proposing it only marks as read if you actually quick reply?

I see this as a grey area
 
I'm just saying that for people who have "message preview" turned OFF, there is no way to ACTUALLY SEE what the message says at all other than to pull down, like we did in iOS 7. But this act now marks it as "read" even if you aren't able to reply right away...
 
Well if the message isn't too long to read, then if you pull down and read it, then why shouldn't it marked as such?
 
ncsmith4 said:
I'm just saying that for people who have "message preview" turned OFF, there is no way to ACTUALLY SEE what the message says at all other than to pull down, like we did in iOS 7. But this act now marks it as "read" even if you aren't able to reply right away...
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Defeats the purpose of having a preview function don't you think..

If they want to "actually see" the message than they should turn Preview ON...

Also couldn't they turn banners off as well and they won't get the "pull down" notification
 
If you don't want to turn preview on, then do one of three things:

1. Don't read the message until you're ready,
2. Reply to the message, or
3. Hold down on the home button until you hear the tone and say, "Remind me in 1 hour to reply to John Doe's message."

I understand your frustration with this behavior, but you've told iOS that you DO NOT want to preview messages (for privacy I'm assuming). Therefore, the iOS hides the message when it comes in. When you interact with iOS in a way that it now allows you to see the message, it thinks, "okay, this person made a positive effort to view the message after he/she instructed me to hide the message, therefore I will mark it as read."

Imagine if you didn't need to reply to messages you received. People would be upset that they now had to go into the messages.app and re-read them to clear them. It's a double edged sword, but I would argue the OS is behaving smartly.
 
Marking the message as read happens when you read it (not when you reply to it or anything like that), so if you actually read it (whether it was directly from the Messages app or some other way like expanding a notification--the point is that you actually read it), then why shouldn't it mark it as read given that you in fact read it?
 
ncsmith4 said:
I see this being a big usability issue...

I have message previews turned OFF. So when I get an iMessage, it just shows the person's name, and iMessage. If I pull down to actually just LOOK at the message, iOS 8 (B2) marks that iMessage as "read" and removes it from Notification Center, AND takes the badge off of the Messages app. That's VERY frustrating for people who maybe cannot reply to the message right away but want to actually see what the iMessage says.

Same goes for "long" messages even if message preview is ON. If you get a longer message than the banner notification will allow, and you pull down to just LOOK AT the full message, but maybe you can't reply right away, that message is marked as read and the badge is removed.

Shouldn't the Message and the badge "persist" until some other action is taken?
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No, because marking something as "read" implies that the words in the message have been "LOOKED AT" by the person.

In this situation, you LOOKING AT the message equates to READING it. Therefor, the phone is telling you that the message HAS BEEN READ.

Does that make sense or do you need it spelled out for you a little more CLEARLY.

(on another note, never understood why people feel the need to capitalize words for emphasis. It's like you're yelling at us.)
 
joejoejoe said:
No, because marking something as "read" implies that the words in the message have been "LOOKED AT" by the person.

In this situation, you LOOKING AT the message equates to READING it. Therefor, the phone is telling you that the message HAS BEEN READ.

Does that make sense or do you need it spelled out for you a little more CLEARLY.

(on another note, never understood why people feel the need to capitalize words for emphasis. It's like you're yelling at us.)
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Capitalizing isn't related to yelling, that's what exclamation marks after capitalizations are for. "HI!" THAT'S yelling. The purpose of capitalizing is simply for sentence clarity and to avoid misunderstandings while something tricky is being explained. If everyone had MD level english then no one would capitalize but people don't so they use what they know to get their points or questions across with least confusion. It's also sometimes used to express passion. I LOVE Magen Fox. I'm not yelling at you, I just want you to feel it how I feel it.

Don't take things personally it's not about YOU. ;)
 
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ncsmith4 said:
I'm just saying that for people who have "message preview" turned OFF, there is no way to ACTUALLY SEE what the message says at all other than to pull down, like we did in iOS 7. But this act now marks it as "read" even if you aren't able to reply right away...
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Why do you have message preview off? I mean if makes sense that you read it, so it should mark it as read. But I see where you're coming from. It would make more sense to mark it as read if you actually respond.
 
This behaviour is brand new to iOS 8 and hasn't existed in any previous version of iOS... why change it now?

I always read messages using the notification centre when I don't want to reply straight away; i.e. if I haven't got the time. That way, the person who sent the message won't know I've read the message at that point and there will still be a notification letting me know I've got a message to respond to.

Can't think why this new behaviour is desirable. They should mark it as read when you use quick reply, or when you go into the messages app itself.
 
afsnyder said:
Why do you have message preview off? I mean if makes sense that you read it, so it should mark it as read. But I see where you're coming from. It would make more sense to mark it as read if you actually respond.
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Why would it make more sense for a response to trigger a read action? That really doesn't make sense. A read is a read, it's not connected to responding. If I read an email message it's marked as read whether or not I respond to it, and that makes perfect rational sense.

Now, if you are talking about having some way to remind you to respond to a message that you already read but at a later point, well, that's different, and unrelated to marking something as read once you actually read it.

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matttye said:
This behaviour is brand new to iOS 8 and hasn't existed in any previous version of iOS... why change it now?

I always read messages using the notification centre when I don't want to reply straight away; i.e. if I haven't got the time. That way, the person who sent the message won't know I've read the message at that point and there will still be a notification letting me know I've got a message to respond to.

Can't think why this new behaviour is desirable. They should mark it as read when you use quick reply, or when you go into the messages app itself.
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Don't think you can read a full message in the notification center even in iOS 7, just the preview at most, and that part hasn't changed as far as I understand. If you dismiss the banner or similar notification for the message and simply bring down notification center itself you should still see what you had in iOS 7 and it would behave the same way there from what I understand. The only new/different piece is that if you actually decide to use something like a banner notification it is now attached to quick reply action, which is tied to seeing the whole message and thus marking as read since you took an action to see it fully and read it (whether it's from a notification itself now or from the Messages app directly as before).
 
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C DM said:
Why would it make more sense for a response to trigger a read action? That really doesn't make sense. A read is a read, it's not connected to responding. If I read an email message it's marked as read whether or not I respond to it, and that makes perfect rational sense.

Now, if you are talking about having some way to remind you to respond to a message that you already read but at a later point, well, that's different, and unrelated to marking something as read once you actually read it.

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Don't think you can read a full message in the notification center even in iOS 7, just the preview at most, and that part hasn't changed as far as I understand. If you dismiss the banner or similar notification for the message and simply bring down notification center itself you should still see what you had in iOS 7 and it would behave the same way there from what I understand. The only new piece is that if you actually decide to use something like a banner notification it is not attached to quick reply action, which is tied to seeing the whole message and thus marking as read since you took an action to see it fully and read it (whether it's from a notification itself now or from the Messages app directly as before).
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Ahh right, sounds fine then.

Cheers
 
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