Radeon pro 580 Performance 5K imac still worth it?

[Persian-apple]

Hi i ordered the new27" 5K imac with these specs:
I7 4.2 turbo boost up to 4.5
Ram:16Gb
GPU: radeon pro 580 8Gb Vram
3tb fusion drive
And numeric keyboard and magic mouse

I never Liked windows laptops so I dont buy them on the other hand macs Graphic cards really suck (exp: Ive got the 2014 Macbook pro retina with gt750m they basically didnt change the gou for 3years from 2012-2014)And GT650M in my 2012 model is Just the same as the 750M and They Jumped to amds since 2015 And They suck as well (higher TDP No cuda Higher temps Bad driver support etc.) i was looking at the radeon pro 560 in the new rmbp and i was like okay Im not gonna makw the same mistake for the same time the 560 aint A ridiculous card but its Kinda where Gt650-750m cards where back in 2012-13 and Well I can clearly see The card is gonna be a joke in 2019 or even sooner Weather its Gaming Or Doing video editing Or Any thing graphically intensive Its gonna be a joke its OK now It handles todays Games On medium setting well(on the bootcamp side of course nobody plays New games On macs cuz they are not realeased or theyre not optimized well (and metroLL and batman AC tombraider are Just an exception (and theyre old)) I know macs arent for gaming but They cant call it a macbook pro when Its out dated in 1-2years Its really ridiculous to me that even the top of the line rmbp just offers an OK option even the Mid-range gtx10series cards blow it out of the water thats what brought me to the new imac This Looks Flawless to me GPU is Okay(I expected a bit better but Its not rediculous like the rMBP line) the card Is something between gtx1060-1070m and Its really Ok for a 5K display Which is scaled 2560x1440
I created this thread Because Its interesting How will this Thing do in the next 3-4 years For the pro user With highsierra released today supporting the eGPU Feature to me its the perfect mac (and i guess to the pro users who dont need the 8-12core cpu's and crazy graphics with over10Tfs it has to be the ideal mac)
So im gonna break it down to a few question do you think its future proof or not In these areas:
1.How does the Top-end 5K imac handle Audio work?( Logic Pro X in my case with huge kontakt libraries,and a ton of plug-ins and LOTS of(Lots of to me is 16-40 anything beyond 30-40Is rarely used and by tons of plug-ins i mean like 7-10plug ins on each track maximum ) tracks
2.how does it handle gaming? (1200P,1440P) (now and in the future)not the native res of course and on the bootcamp side!) If somebody could Post somebench marks that would be great lots of people want to do Gaming here and there and I do Want to be able to play high-end games on it and Please consider the eGPU support in this case
3.how does it handle video editing and VR?

 

[trsblader]

1) Just fine. Plenty doing far more than you with no issues
2) Read through these massive threads https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2017-imac-gaming-performance.2063896/ and a larger discussion of the 580 card https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/radeon-pro-580-8-gb-preformance.2048551/
3) The card is low end for VR. You've given no specifics for your VR requirements or video editing requirements so...it depends.

Many people do what you're doing, and more (with the exception possibly of VR) with much older computers. I do not see how the top offering from Apple wouldn't meet your requirements.

Other: Please add punctuation and paragraphs. That was extremely hard to read and I doubt many others will take the time to decipher it.

 

[Persian-apple]

1) Just fine. Plenty doing far more than you with no issues
2) Read through these massive threads https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2017-imac-gaming-performance.2063896/ and a larger discussion of the 580 card https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/radeon-pro-580-8-gb-preformance.2048551/
3) The card is low end for VR. You've given no specifics for your VR requirements or video editing requirements so...it depends.

Many people do what you're doing, and more (with the exception possibly of VR) with much older computers. I do not see how the top offering from Apple wouldn't meet your requirements.

Other: Please add punctuation and paragraphs. That was extremely hard to read and I doubt many others will take the time to decipher it.

i'm really sorry for not putting puncuation marks, and actually this is the first time i'm trying to use them.it really slows me down when writing long comments.
I'm talking about future-proofing the point of the thread is : how well does it handle pro stuff (well i don't do video but i do play games and use logic pro x a lot and with huge sample libraries of kontakt and lots of plug-ins becoming more and more Demanding, it's interesting to know whether it will keep up or not (i know i7 version is probably future-proof for audio work(production,mixing,mastering) but what about the i5 version It seems like the i5 version is slower than the i7 in the 2017 rMBP
furthermore, games are becoming more and more GPU-intensive at a SUPER-fast pace so the gaming area is really interesting and yeah i already read the thread "radeon 580 8gb performance" but it's really not providing anything more than speculations like "it runs well" " it should handle it" or "it looks promising on the paper/it's got 5.5tflops" .
Gaming threads back in 2012-2013 were much more useful; people used to post some real benchmarks with FPS(using fraps although some capture the frame rate without recording) and even on youtube, there is nothing on radeon pro 580 gaming( other than some russian guy i guess who runs BF1 DOOM and prey i guess;i mean i found no real benchmarks on 2017/2016 games only some GTAV,BF1 and 2014-15 games)

One more thing to discuss is the Video editing area(not my question but well thats another pro use)

and how promising is the eGPU on high sierra cause we all know CPU's aren't growing as fast as GPUs so if the RAM is upgradable and the CPU is not outdated the eGPU makes The new 5K imac one of the best future-proof devices apple has ever made.
on the other hand: some people complain about i7s getting to hot others say it runs even cooler and i've seen people saying "the i5 does'nt even handle MacOS well (By not handling macOS well i mean they're complaining about overall system lag and the i5 not being enough to drive the 5k display which to me does'nt make sense but yeah i guess somebody said that too"
again i'm really sorry for not using punctuations i'm trying to get used to them.
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1) Just fine. Plenty doing far more than you with no issues
2) Read through these massive threads https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2017-imac-gaming-performance.2063896/ and a larger discussion of the 580 card https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/radeon-pro-580-8-gb-preformance.2048551/
3) The card is low end for VR. You've given no specifics for your VR requirements or video editing requirements so...it depends.

Many people do what you're doing, and more (with the exception possibly of VR) with much older computers. I do not see how the top offering from Apple wouldn't meet your requirements.

Other: Please add punctuation and paragraphs. That was extremely hard to read and I doubt many others will take the time to decipher it.

I forgot about the other forum link you posted i checked that one right now and well the guy is playing team fortress and warframe (never heard of warframe anyways!) and seems to be somebody who doesn't doesn't really play anything other than light gaming (stuff like CS:go ; i mean even Computers from years ago with low-end specs run these stuff) so the guy who started the thread doesn't really play anything
I mean whats the point of creating a gaming thread about games that most computers will easily run?

 

[J.Gallardo]

Difficult reading, OP! (Well... I’m not a native English speaker...)
About your principal request: I’m ordering an iMac with R580, as double video RAM really makes a difference, and it’s not easily upgradable afterwards.
In fact, as normal gaming rarely uses hyper-threading, i5 (turbo up to 4.2) is as capable as i7. I work with office kind apps, do some sound -but GarageBand or Audacity are enough for me- and like some gaming (plus a huge iTunes library!) and I’m seriously considering Intel i5 would be ok... but I won’t renounce to 580. (I have some concerns about i7 temps and fan noise...)
Anyhow, perhaps these two links can give you some more info (just about osX):
http://barefeats.com/imaci5_v_i7_game.html
http://barefeats.com/xplane11.html

 

[Prizm4]

Use grammar, you'll appear smarter.

 

[mrchrispy]

cant be arsed reading that crap.

However I'll guess what you want to hear is......580pro iMac is great, no complaints here.

 

[Persian-apple]

cant be arsed reading that crap.

However I'll guess what you want to hear is......580pro iMac is great, no complaints here.

What I "Think" is that the 2017 5k imac is the best value machine apple produces and it seems fine and what
I want to "hear" is possible complaints maybe some complaints about fusion drive
i don't know maybe something i'm missing, and Some benchmarks/ tests that push it to its limits would be great
plus i already said i'm sorry for not putting punctuations
I have to get used to using them
and yeah that's hard to read, but all i can do is try to get used to it, from now on
If your expecting me to edit that then fine, just tell me to edit that
This forum is about sharing our experiences
If you think some forum ain't worth youre time,then please don't read it.
I don't see why insulting someone would help (and i don't know what "arsed" means and the dictionary doesn't neither )
never mind
just be informative, when you post sth, or at least, please request what you want to change and i'll do what i can

 

[FlyGuyDEN]

What I "Think" is that the 2017 5k imac is the best value machine apple produces and it seems fine and what
I want to "hear" is possible complaints maybe some complaints about fusion drive
i don't know maybe something i'm missing, and Some benchmarks/ tests that push it to its limits would be great
plus i already said i'm sorry for not putting punctuations
I have to get used to using them
and yeah that's hard to read, but all i can do is try to get used to it, from now on
If your expecting me to edit that then fine, just tell me to edit that
This forum is about sharing our experiences
If you think some forum ain't worth youre time,then please don't read it.
I don't see why insulting someone would help (and i don't know what "arsed" means and the dictionary doesn't neither )
never mind
just be informative, when you post sth, or at least, please request what you want to change and i'll do what i can

I hope you have better luck w/yours-mine flat out died in the first 8 days each time while playing games and Apple couldn't resolve the issue so they're ordering me a new one.

 

[Persian-apple]

I hope you have better luck w/yours-mine flat out died in the first 8 days each time while playing games and Apple couldn't resolve the issue so they're ordering me a new one.

You mean the fusion drive died? Come on man it cant be that bad why theyre eben shipping it with the fusion option if everybodys drives are failing and it seems even worse than a natural hdd?! Im spending 4k on this (its 2850usd but its imported to the country so yeah its gonna cost a lot for me and theres no apple store here)

 

[FlyGuyDEN]

You mean the fusion drive died? Come on man it cant be that bad why theyre eben shipping it with the fusion option if everybodys drives are failing and it seems even worse than a natural hdd?! Im spending 4k on this (its 2850usd but its imported to the country so yeah its gonna cost a lot for me and theres no apple store here)

No mine has a 1TB SSD. The GPU died then the 2nd card was DOA at Apple Store when they tried replacing it and then the 3rd one didn’t fix the problem so they’re building me another one.

 

[Persian-apple]

No mine has a 1TB SSD. The GPU died then the 2nd card was DOA at Apple Store when they tried replacing it and then the 3rd one didn’t fix the problem so they’re building me another one.

So ehh i guess thats irrelevent to the SSD vs fusion drive Question

Ive got one Big question mine is arriving in a few days and i need to stress-test the system to make sure its working cause theres no apple store here and if theres a problem then You Gotta live with it i know it sounds crazy but thats how it is for me

So do you recommend any benchmarks(other than the built in test) like Geekbench or whatever on MacOS side to make sure everything is fine underload?

 

[FlyGuyDEN]

I was playing LEGO Star Wars The Force Awakens when it died during the first cut scene. Then it wouldn’t go past the graphics page after that. Also it died loading Battlefront Pacific. Try those.

 

[Persian-apple]

Man ive never heared of anyof these Im not going to be playing Games that no body plays 4 sure!
And i dont see any point other than a software issue cause When you run the instensive games just fine then the hardware is doing OK period. I dont understand really would be great if you could explain a bit more thx

 

[WrightBrain]

I was playing LEGO Star Wars The Force Awakens when it died during the first cut scene. Then it wouldn’t go past the graphics page after that. Also it died loading Battlefront Pacific. Try those.

Holy crap. I know this is an old thread, but how is your third iMac holding up?

 

[FlyGuyDEN]

Holy crap. I know this is an old thread, but how is your third iMac holding up?

After Apple custom built me a replacement computer I haven’t had a single issue with the new one. Must have been a bad card. ‍♂️

 

[Persian-apple]

After Apple custom built me a replacement computer I haven’t had a single issue with the new one. Must have been a bad card. ‍♂

Been three years since the original post. Just wanted to let you know that the Imac is holding up pretty well. Indeed, for gaming this machine can still run all new titles in highest settings and 2560x1440 (1440p). To name a few titles, latest batman game (the name is dark knight rises i believe), Rise of Tomb Raider, Assassins' Creed Origins, Latest Call of Duty and many other popular games play without any issues on highest setting.
Also for audio production the system works pretty well. No weird issues (e.g., sudden death of the GPU, etc). Also, despite that i went with the fusion i have not experienced a slow down in general system performance in these years. Three years later, this is still the best value apple product to me. Would be nice if you could let us know how is yours holding!

 

[Tony_boiz]

Ik I’m a little late to the party, but here is my take as a person who purchased this same iMac. One of the main (and problematic) drawbacks that plagues this iMac and iMac’s alike is that the graphics cards are usually straight up garbage. Pairing a 5k screen with a severely underpowered card, but good overall specs never ends well. You end up with computer that you can’t use to its fullest extent due to the gpu lacking power. You’re going to have a very hard time enjoying any games mainly because of it’s incompatibility with most games on the market and also because you’ll need to turn down your graphics to near potato levels just for the game to be playable. For “future proof” it depends on what you will be doing the future. For gaming, thats a big no. Moving on, it is good for video editing and audio stuff. You should probably be able to find what you need. Even though Apple devices are good for workflow, I would not pay around $3k for the high end stuff, considering the best I can do with it is make some music and type out a google doc. There is nothing much for me to say here besides this. I know you seriously dislike the Windows OS (understandably), but half of the things you want to do are unattainable with iMacs such as VR and playing the best games on the highest quality. If you learn and get used to Windows, it will open up a plethora of new possibilities and you definitely wont regret it.