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nicho

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I have a pretty good idea of my needs/wants, but there are some things you just can't pick up on or decide based on specs and benchmarks alone.

I currently own a 6th gen iPad and a 5th gen iPad mini. Work also provide me with a 6th gen ipad which I leave there, the mini is a device I carry between work and home.

I have a 2018 mac mini which serves most of my computing needs with a 27" monitor. I also have a base model mid-2014 rMBP sitting on my desk (not fully relevant to this situation, but I swapped it with my wife who took my late 2013 13" 2.8GHz i7/8GB/512GB model after it returned from a battery & top case replacement because i didn't need the storage in a secondary computer). Lightly used is an understatement for the 2014 mbp - iStat shows 27 cycles on a computer that is now more than 5 ½ years old - and it spends much of its time on my desk asleep. I share a mouse and keyboard between them thanks to Logitech Flow (I actually quite like having two computers rather than two screens, in case I get network issues with my VPN). When either of these devices die again - by the end of the month, both will apparently be vintage and I'm wondering how many more versions of macOS they'll run - I probably won't be rushing to replace them with new macs. The 2013 MBP battery expanded in part, I think, because it spent so much time attached to my desk. I guess the point of this paragraph, for those who have the sense to skip to the bold text here, is to show that my mobile computing needs are fairly minimal.

I'm looking to replace my 6th gen iPad with something with more storage and power. 128GB isn't really enough for anything in addition to my photo library, but I'm not keen on optimising storage - I really want a mobile, large-screen device that has all of my photos right there in full quality (i only bought the 64GB mini). I'd also find playing games like civilization 6 a bit more comfortable on a larger screen than the mini. Of course... I could just save money and work with what I've got. I'm just tempted to buy now because I don't see an Air 4 coming out anytime soon with an A13 or A14 in september while the pro still has A12Z. If I'm going to end up buying one of the current models a year down the line, why not enjoy it now? On the flip side, the only thing the 6th gen can't do (rather than not being able to do as quickly or as well) that I can think of is fast/18W charging.

So with mouse and trackpad support here in iPadOS, i figure that I might as well replace the 6th gen ipad with something that has enough capability that I definitely don't need to replace my MBP when it is no longer supported. I'm looking at two options. Refurbs aren't an option here, Apple only seems to sell refurb macs in China at the moment. Both of these costs include education discount etc.
  • iPad Air 256GB Wifi (4870 RMB ≈ $687)
  • iPad Pro 11" 256GB Wifi (6629 RMB ≈ $935, or 36% more expensive)
The iPad pro seems to be way beyond my needs. In fact, I really like the look of an iPad Air + the logitech combo touch when it comes out, providing a keyboard (complete with function keys!) and a trackpad... and rear/side protection even when the keyboard is detached. When it releases, that will be 1078RMB ≈ $152. The magic keyboard is double the price, so I'm really looking at:
  • iPad Air 256GB Wifi (5948 RMB ≈ $839)
  • iPad Pro 11" 256GB Wifi (8828 RMB ≈ $1245, or 48% more expensive)
I'm also concerned about not having any sort of protection for an ipad pro if it is detached from the magic keyboard, to the point i'd lean towards the air.

But then there are questions of longevity. It's no longer 3GB vs 4GB RAM as it was last time I thought about this and settled for the 6th gen ipad. 3GB vs 6GB of RAM is a huge difference, and I have a feeling the 2020 ipad pro will feel snappy/have a useful life for at least 50% longer than an iPad Air bought today - meaning that it would be "worth" the investment to have a better ipad now and still have it for a longer time. So essentially... I'm in a situation where I'm leaning towards the "not as good" model because the accessories that have been announced appear to fit my needs better, even though at this point I think the iPad Pro would be the better "value" device of the two taken into its own account. Has anyone who already has the IPP 2018/2020 made plans to address this when they pick up the magic keyboard? I try not to expect the impossible, so I'm presuming that the more protective cases out there will also not be as easy to transfer the iPad into/out of regularly, and when I want to use it like a regular ipad it'll end up being naked. The air definitely seems to have the advantage there.

So we're on to real world, performance differences. Benchmarks say the A12 and A12X were pretty much identical in single core speeds and the A12X blows away the A12 (and even the A13) in multi-core. But these are only benchmarks... which of these is most relevant day to day? Am i going to notice better performance in onenote on an iPad Pro vs an iPad Air? The Pencil 1/Pencil 2 aspect is not important, by the way; I use logitech crayons which are fine for my needs and are transferrable between all of my ipads. Even with an iPad pro i'd probably still just use the crayon.

How much "better" will the pro be now vs the air? Is there anything i'm missing that swings it further towards the pro (I've been considering that I could wait until the MBP dies before picking up a magic keyboard)? Given that I'm not really "mobile" at all right now, should I just stick with the 6th gen ipad, enable optimised storage for photos and call it a day until the next gen iPads come out?

Thank you for reading.
 
Simple answer: Get the Pro 256GB/512GB with Magic Keyboard Combo and enjoy its versatility + quad speaker + FaceID.

You mentioned you don’t have a lot of use with Macs And I’m guessing that’s saving you a lot of money since you don’t need to upgrade that Category of device. You can turn your iPad Pro to a computing laptop anytime by attaching it to the Magic Keyboard and remove it when you want to play games or read something.

Speed-wise both are very capable devices But I’d hedge my bet on double the ram (6GB vs. 3GB) of the Pro esp since Apple is known to drop device support based on RAM as well. (iPhone 6 with 1GB RAM didn’t get iOS 13 but iPad Air 2 and Mini 4 w/ 2GB did).

It also boils down on how often you want to upgrade. Getting cheap iPads now means lesser years of software support, Example 1: getting iPad 7 for 250-270 may save you money now, but software will be dropped sooner because of A10 processor inside.

Example 2: iPad Air 2 launched for $499 with A8X in 2014; Apple Launched iPad 5 in 2017 for $329 and A9. Both devices are ALMOST the same speed-wise and the same RAM-wise but Air 2 owners got to use their devices for 2-3 more years than iPad 5 owners but both will most likely be dropped at the same time or a year apart At the most.

My sister has the 4GB RAM iPad Pro 2015 12.9” and I’m also waiting on how Apple is going to handle phasing out A9/X devices in the future.

TL;DR; If you like upgrading often, get the Air, if you don’t like upgrading then settle with a decked out Pro. Remember, lower cost iPads haven’t even adopted the Pro’s industrial design and pro’s tech will surely trickle down once production cost is minimized. Pro Users are enjoying all of it NOW instead of later.
 
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Simple answer: Get the Pro 256GB/512GB with Magic Keyboard Combo and enjoy its versatility + quad speaker + FaceID.

You mentioned you don’t have a lot of use with Macs And I’m guessing that’s saving you a lot of money since you don’t need to upgrade that Category of device. You can turn your iPad Pro to a computing laptop anytime by attaching it to the Magic Keyboard and remove it when you want to play games or read something.

Speed-wise both are very capable devices But I’d hedge my bet on double the ram (6GB vs. 3GB) of the Pro esp since Apple is known to drop device support based on RAM as well. (iPhone 6 with 1GB RAM didn’t get iOS 13 but iPad Air 2 and Mini 4 w/ 2GB did).

It also boils down on how often you want to upgrade. Getting cheap iPads now means lesser years of software support, Example 1: getting iPad 7 for 250-270 may save you money now, but software will be dropped sooner because of A10 processor inside.

Example 2: iPad Air 2 launched for $499 with A8X in 2014; Apple Launched iPad 5 in 2017 for $329 and A9. Both devices are ALMOST the same speed-wise and the same RAM-wise but Air 2 owners got to use their devices for 2-3 more years than iPad 5 owners but both will most likely be dropped at the same time or a year apart At the most.

My sister has the 4GB RAM iPad Pro 2015 12.9” and I’m also waiting on how Apple is going to handle phasing out A9/X devices in the future.

TL;DR; If you like upgrading often, get the Air, if you don’t like upgrading then settle with a decked out Pro. Remember, lower cost iPads haven’t even adopted the Pro’s industrial design and pro’s tech will surely trickle down once production cost is minimized. Pro Users are enjoying all of it NOW instead of later.

Thanks for your thoughts - I actually spend a lot of my time at home on my mac, but I don't have huge needs with regards to performance. I was still very happy with my 2013 MBP until I noticed that I could no longer put it in clamshell mode and went out to buy a mac mini (= no battery expansion worries). I'm not planning on upgrading it for a good few years - Apple probably isn't either judging by the 2020 update. At some point I may do a RAM upgrade if it start to feel slow. But yeah - I don't see myself buying a new laptop for the amount of use it would get. I've always leaned more towards being a "desktop" person.

When I first got the 6th Gen (actually my 2nd 6th gen... first was a 32GB as a trial which I sold to an elderly relative at a knockdown price so I could facetime her more easily) it was a choice between that, ipad mini 4 (i think) or the 2018 ipad pro. at the time i was thinking that for the cost differential between the two I could buy 2 more new ipads over the expected life of an ipad pro and never have to worry about batter changes etc. the 7th gen retaining the A10 and the ipad pro going from A12X to A12Z has made me start to rethink that... it's seemingly going to be a while before the basic ipad has even the A12 of today's air/mini. The first "upgrade" i could go for, 6th gen to 7th gen, isn't really an upgrade at all because it retains the same processor. It's better, but not "buy again" better.

I'm now thinking that I might enjoy the 12.9" model (without magic keyboard), with the option to pick up the magic keyboard once my laptop finally bites the dust. The cost of any repair to the old MBP would probably outweigh the cost of a magic keyboard.
 
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If I were only going to have one main device, I’d probably choose the pro for the size and additional features (mainly speakers IMO, if you use it for movies and stuff - I don’t see the huge difference with pro motion like some do). The additional ram is certainly gonna be a plus.

That being said, I went from a 2018 pro to an Air 3 because it was more than I needed power-wise, and I really didn’t like the keyboard setup as much as the original ASK. I love that I can drop the keyboard and still have the back protected, and I also like that if I keep the keyboard on while I‘m using the iPad in my lap, I don’t have exposed keys to hold (IMO that is a horrible design, and I’m honestly still shocked anyone ever thought that was a good idea). I also really like touch ID on my iPad. Due to how I hold/use it most of the time, Face ID never worked that well for me.

The Air 3 is a really great device IMO, but if I were to give up my iMac, I‘d likely go back to a 12.9 iPP at some point.
 
I used the 11 inch iPad Pro from when it came out in 2018 until this January. I decided I wanted a cellular iPad and I got the Air 3 to save a little money. I really have not missed any of the features of the pro, except maybe the magnetic Apple Pencil, but that is not a dealbreaker.
 
Thanks for your thoughts - I actually spend a lot of my time at home on my mac, but I don't have huge needs with regards to performance. I was still very happy with my 2013 MBP until I noticed that I could no longer put it in clamshell mode and went out to buy a mac mini (= no battery expansion worries). I'm not planning on upgrading it for a good few years - Apple probably isn't either judging by the 2020 update. At some point I may do a RAM upgrade if it start to feel slow. But yeah - I don't see myself buying a new laptop for the amount of use it would get. I've always leaned more towards being a "desktop" person.

When I first got the 6th Gen (actually my 2nd 6th gen... first was a 32GB as a trial which I sold to an elderly relative at a knockdown price so I could facetime her more easily) it was a choice between that, ipad mini 4 (i think) or the 2018 ipad pro. at the time i was thinking that for the cost differential between the two I could buy 2 more new ipads over the expected life of an ipad pro and never have to worry about batter changes etc. the 7th gen retaining the A10 and the ipad pro going from A12X to A12Z has made me start to rethink that... it's seemingly going to be a while before the basic ipad has even the A12 of today's air/mini. The first "upgrade" i could go for, 6th gen to 7th gen, isn't really an upgrade at all because it retains the same processor. It's better, but not "buy again" better.

I'm now thinking that I might enjoy the 12.9" model (without magic keyboard), with the option to pick up the magic keyboard once my laptop finally bites the dust. The cost of any repair to the old MBP would probably outweigh the cost of a magic keyboard.

there are a lot of factors to consider here, most of the replies have their own valid points.

some users are Mac + iPad so most went with Air, while some, like me uses the iPad as a light computing device so I went Pro for longevity and nice to have features.

getting an Air 3 or even the iPad 7 would not take away from the iPadOS experience, IMO.
 
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