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Apple had plans to offer a Starlink-like satellite home internet service in collaboration with Boeing, The Information reports.

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Starting in 2015, Apple held discussions with Boeing about "Project Eagle," a plan to launch a service to provide wireless internet services to iPhones and homes. The companies would have launched thousands of satellites into orbit around the Earth to beam internet services down to the surface. Apple intended to sell antennas that users could attach to their windows to disperse internet connectivity throughout their homes.

Apple believed the plan would help provide a more seamless experience, with mobile carriers seen as "necessary but inconvenient partners" that held back the iPhone. Similar to the transition to Apple silicon, Apple saw Project Eagle as another way to reduce its reliance other companies. Apple spent $36 million testing out a Project Eagle concept at a facility in El Segundo, California.

The service was originally scheduled to launch in 2019, but it never saw the light of day. CEO Tim Cook was concerned that Project Eagle would endanger Apple's relationship with the telecoms industry. He also expressed concerns over its significant cost with an unclear near-term business case. In 2016, Apple canceled the project and senior staff involved in it left the company.

Former hardware engineering chief Dan Riccio then formed a group looking at new wireless opportunities that would help differentiate Apple's devices. In 2018, Apple conducted talks with satellite internet providers such as OneWeb about investing in them to deploy a home internet service via satellites. OneWeb purportedly told Apple that the service would cost $30 billion and $40 billion to deliver, and similar concerns to those that killed Project Eagle put an end to the ambition.

The group then refocused around the idea of offering satellite communications to iPhones in remote areas that were not already served by conventional cellular networks. Apple launched its Emergency SOS via Satellite feature in 2022.

In 2023, Apple's satellite team proposed to use a new generation of satellites to deliver full, unrestricted internet service to iPhones in remote locations. The feature would have cost Apple significantly more than Globalstar's existing service for Apple, increasing from several dozen satellites to hundreds. Apple ultimately again declined to offer it due to concerns that it would anger mobile carriers.

Today, some Apple employees and senior executives question the long-term viability of the iPhone's satellite connectivity features. Former Apple employees who worked on the project say the Globalstar network is already outdated, slow, and limited compared to SpaceX, and will continue to be through the next decade.

Apple has not yet started charging iPhone users for satellite connectivity features, and has extended the free access period through at least September 2025. The company's reluctance to charge customers is apparently related to fear that it could trigger the U.S. government to regulate Apple like a telecommunications carrier, which could force the company to build surveillance back doors into iMessage.

The existing satellite connectivity features cost Apple hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Some top executives, including software chief Craig Federighi and head of corporate development Adrian Perica, have advocated discontinuing the features. They argue that customers are more likely to sign up for satellite features through their mobile carriers.

Article Link: Report: Apple Planned to Offer Starlink-Like Home Internet Service
 
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I pray that this means the return of the AirPort
the weird and very MacRumors-user conceit about Apple’s entirely average at best wifi routers is just baffling. They were so not worth the price. Is it the Apple logo on the outside? I’ve never understood why common sense goes out the door anytime someone brings up those stupid devices. It was absolutely the right decision for Apple to nix that business. Should Apple start making printers and scanners again, too?
 
This makes a lot of sense. I've wondered why they haven't charged for satellite features, and I've also thought about the future of the Globalstar partnership now that many alternatives exist with more bandwidth.
 
the weird and very MacRumors-user conceit about Apple’s entirely average at best wifi routers is just baffling. They were so not worth the price. Is it the Apple logo on the outside? I’ve never understood why common sense goes out the door anytime someone brings up those stupid devices. It was absolutely the right decision for Apple to nix that business. Should Apple start making printers and scanners again, too?

For normal users AirPorts were fantastic and "just worked" and required so little fuss.

I had one that just chugged along for like a decade with no intervention.
 
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Should Apple start making printers and scanners again, too?

You’re asking that in the wrong place, because a lot of people will answer “Yes”. Hell I remember users scrabbling to buy the Apple branded AA battery charger when they made one, people in the comments were claiming the AA batteries included were “thinner and lighter” than other brands.

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Wow, what incredible innovation from the tiny startup that could, Apple. This feature just wasn't quite ready to delight customers, so at the very last minute, Apple had to pull it. That is why the technology is already in the phone - Apple was all ready to go with this revolutionary advancement. Stay tuned, because Tim Cook says the pipeline has never been stronger and you never know what "One More Thing" Apple has up their sleeve!
 
You’re asking that in the wrong place, because a lot of people will answer “Yes”. Hell I remember users scrabbling to buy the Apple branded AA battery charger when they made one, people in the comments were claiming the AA batteries included were “thinner and lighter” than other brands.

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But it can be said that Apple make very high quality USB power adapters and accessories.

I’ve still got a collection of Apple USB power adapters because they are the highest quality power adapters I’ve used. Even teardowns on YouTube demonstrate the quality inside them.

Apple have sourced really high quality power systems the past 10 or more years now. My original iPads battery was still giving near 10 hours runtime in 2017 just before I sold it and I’d had it since 2010.

All of my apples devices batteries have performed amazing in terms of longevity.
 
Apple has not yet started charging iPhone users for satellite connectivity features, and has extended the free access period through at least September 2025. The company's reluctance to charge customers is apparently related to fear that it could trigger the U.S. government to regulate Apple like a telecommunications carrier, which could force the company to build surveillance back doors into iMessage.

The existing satellite connectivity features cost Apple hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Some top executives, including software chief Craig Federighi and head of corporate development Adrian Perica, have advocated discontinuing the features. They argue that customers are more likely to sign up for satellite features through their mobile carriers.
Honestly, I can't imagine a scenario where it makes sense for them to continue the service and charge for it. It's a big overhead expense and I can't imagine all but very few being willing to pay for a service that you might use once, if ever.

Aside from the PR disaster that will be when someone goes to use it and dies because they didn't and couldn't subscribe when they needed it, it's just a very niche use case. I can only think of one place in 20 years that I didn't have cellular coverage outdoors and it was a small stretch along a rural road that only lasted about 30 seconds. And if AST and Starlink are going to be available outdoors, then you've got 911/emergency calling covered.

The much bigger problem that nobody seems eager to tackle is indoor coverage where cellular mid-band frequencies don't penetrate well and low-bands (particularly Verizon's B13 and AT&T's B12) are congested to uselessness.

There's only one place I know of that still doesn't have good indoor coverage in the sense of actually having no service. It's a small area in the middle of a city full of small cells and a dense macro grid. The coverage issue is because it's the basement of an old brick building. No satellites are going to fix that. It really seems to me that the focus is on the wrong problems.
 
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the weird and very MacRumors-user conceit about Apple’s entirely average at best wifi routers is just baffling. They were so not worth the price. Is it the Apple logo on the outside? I’ve never understood why common sense goes out the door anytime someone brings up those stupid devices. It was absolutely the right decision for Apple to nix that business. Should Apple start making printers and scanners again, too?

The AirPort Extreme was not only user friendly, but allowed you to easily share music by plugging in an external hard drive.

At the time, it was awesome because I could put all of my music on one drive and then listen to it through iTunes from my Macbook that didn't have enough storage and was inconvenient to lug around an external HDD while using it.

Apple users tend to think that their privacy is better handled by Apple hardware, too.
 
Reads to me as Apple letting its business relationships get in the way of innovation. Steve would be proud. How many times did he push and strain relationships with the music industry and with the mobile industry telling them they couldn't preinstall or brand anything.

As always, Tim Cook has lost the plot. He's protecting every near-term dollar of revenue at the expense of long term revenue, because thats what Wallstreet wants. Its not like carriers can just say "I'm not supporting iPhone" anymore, its too entrenced in society, they would face huge backlash.

Instead of taking upgrades to the phone to the market that could have kept them ahead of the competition, he focused on a dead-end car project and an expensive AR flop and announcing vaporware as the key feature of their product line.
 
Honestly, I can't imagine a scenario where it makes sense for them to continue the service and charge for it. It's a big overhead expense and I can't imagine all but very few being willing to pay for a service that you might use once, if ever.

Aside from the PR disaster that will be when someone goes to use it and dies because they didn't and couldn't subscribe when they needed it, it's just a very niche use case. I can only think of one place in 20 years that I didn't have cellular coverage outdoors and it was a small stretch along a rural road that only lasted about 30 seconds. And if AST and Starlink are going to be available outdoors, then you've got 911/emergency calling covered.

The much bigger problem that nobody seems eager to tackle is indoor coverage where cellular mid-band frequencies don't penetrate well and low-bands (particularly Verizon's B13 and AT&T's B12) are congested to uselessness.

There's only one place I know of that still doesn't have good indoor coverage in the sense of actually having no service. It's a small area in the middle of a city full of small cells and a dense macro grid. The coverage issue is because it's the basement of an old brick building. No satellites are going to fix that. It really seems to me that the focus is on the wrong problems.
I use and pay for a service from Garmin for emergency SOS via sat connection. I've never had to use it. Apple's service was looking interesting since I carry a phone anyways, but the garmin devices are designed to get dropped off a cliff (ok, maybe thats a bit extreme) and are quite rugged and sip battery. I wouldn't trust my iPhone in an emergency situation in a camping or hiking trip.
 
Meh. I've already got unlimited high-enough speed cellular data and I seriously doubt this service will outpace fiber - at least in my area.

Also, what restrictions would it come with? I don't see Apple offering unfettered connectivity itself.
It’ll be like eero, locked down.
 
But it can be said that Apple make very high quality USB power adapters and accessories.

I’ve still got a collection of Apple USB power adapters because they are the highest quality power adapters I’ve used. Even teardowns on YouTube demonstrate the quality inside them.

Apple have sourced really high quality power systems the past 10 or more years now. My original iPads battery was still giving near 10 hours runtime in 2017 just before I sold it and I’d had it since 2010.

All of my apples devices batteries have performed amazing in terms of longevity.

I’ll give a different example then, when the Apple Card first launched, I saw lots of people on MacRumors admitting that the benefits were worse than much of the competition and what they currently had, but they were getting one anyway purely because they wanted to have a bank card with the Apple logo with their name on it.
 
the weird and very MacRumors-user conceit about Apple’s entirely average at best wifi routers is just baffling. They were so not worth the price. Is it the Apple logo on the outside? I’ve never understood why common sense goes out the door anytime someone brings up those stupid devices. It was absolutely the right decision for Apple to nix that business. Should Apple start making printers and scanners again, too?
No conceit here. Still using my last gen Timecapsule. Never needed a reboot, wifi works perfectly in my 1800 sq ft home with all the devices (including non-Apple) I've had through the years. Can't say the same about D-link and Netgear routers I've owned in the past, not to mention all the exploits and hacks these companies suffer from - I used to own a ZyXel too - yikes! If you know of any unpatched exploits that was actively used agaisnt the Apple routers/tc I would love to read about it(honestly). Are the AE/TC features limited? yes, and I'm okay with that. Apple, imo has the financial resources and the security mindset (at least for the moment) to produce a reasonably good home router, and I would be happy to purchase another one.
 
If they do not charge for the Satellite service but stop it entirely, then the iPhone 14 series would feel like the iPhone 16 series where the advertised feature has not arrived or previously existed but no longer usable.
 
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