Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MacRumors

macrumors bot
Original poster
Apr 12, 2001
68,122
38,882


Siri and Apple's use of AI has been severely held back by caution and organizational dysfunction, according to over three dozen former Apple employees who spoke to The Information's Wayne Ma.

hey-siri-banner-apple.jpg

The extensive paywalled report explains why former Apple employees who worked in the company's AI and machine learning groups believe that a lack of ambition and organizational dysfunction have hindered Siri and the company's AI technologies. Apple's virtual assistant is apparently "widely derided" inside the company for its lack of functionality and minimal improvement over time.

By 2018, the team working on Siri had apparently "devolved into a mess, driven by petty turf battles between senior leaders and heated arguments over the direction of the assistant." Siri's leadership did not want to invest in building tools to analyse Siri's usage and engineers lacked the ability to obtain basic details such as how many people were using the virtual assistant and how often they were doing so. The data that was obtained about Siri coming from the data science and engineering team was simply not being used, with some former employees calling it "a waste of time and money."

Many Apple employees purportedly left the company because it was too slow to make decisions or too conservative in its approach to new AI technologies, including the large-language models that underpin chatbots like ChatGPT. Apple CEO Tim Cook personally attempted to persuade engineers who helped Apple modernize its search technology to stay at the company, before they left to work on large-language models at Google.

Apple executives are said to have dismissed proposals to give Siri the ability to conduct extended back-and-forth conversations, claiming that the feature would be difficult to control and gimmicky. Apple's uncompromising stance on privacy has also created challenges for enhancing Siri, with the company pushing for more of the virtual assistant's functions to be performed on-device.

Cook and other senior executives requested changes to Siri to prevent embarassing responses and the company prefers Siri's responses to be pre-written by a team of around 20 writers, rather than AI-generated. There were also specific decisions to exclude information such as iPhone prices from Siri to push users directly to Apple's website instead.

Siri engineers working on the feature that uses material from the web to answer questions clashed with the design team over how accurate the responses had to be in 2019. The design team demanded a near-perfect accuracy rate before the feature could be released.

Engineers claim to have spent months persuading Siri designers that not every one of its answers needed human verification, a limitation that made it impossible to scale up Siri to answer the huge number of questions asked by users. Similarly, Apple's design team repeatedly rejected the feature that enabled users to report a concern or issue with the content of a Siri answer, preventing machine-learning engineers from understanding mistakes, because it wanted Siri to appear "all-knowing."

In 2019, the Siri team explored a project to rewrite the virtual assistant from scratch, codenamed "Blackbird." The effort sought to create a lightweight version of Siri that would delegate the creation of functions to app developers and would run on iPhones instead of the cloud to improve performance and privacy. Demos of Blackbird apparently prompted excitement among Apple employees owing to its utility and responsiveness.

Blackbird competed with the work of two senior leaders on the Siri team who were responsible for helping Siri understand and respond to queries. These individuals pushed for their own project, codenamed "Siri X," for the 10th anniversary of the virtual assistant. The project simply aimed to move Siri's processing on-device for privacy reasons, without the lightweight, modular functionality of Blackbird.

Hundreds of employees working on Blackbird were assigned to Siri X, which killed the ambitious project to make Siri more capable. Siri X was mostly completed in 2021 and now many of the voice assistant's functions are processed locally.

Most recently, the group working on Apple's mixed reality headset were reportedly disappointed by the demonstrations provided by the Siri team on how the virtual assistant could control the headset. At one point in the device's development, the headset team considered building an alternative method for controlling the device using voice commands because Siri was deemed to be unsatisfactory.

Article Link: Report Details Turmoil Behind Apple's AI Efforts, 'Siri X,' and Headset Voice Controls
 
Last edited:
The single biggest thing that Apple needs to improve right now. And by a large margin. And a huge level of improvement. And yesterday. In fact, about 5 years ago. Please Apple, it's so embarrassing. And so frustrating. Get on top of this. This is a spectacular failure of leadership.
 
The company's uncompromising stance on privacy has also proven challenging for enhancing Siri, with Apple pushing for more of the virtual assistant's functions to be performed on-device.

I'll accept Siri having limited capabilities versus all of my requests being sent to a "mothership" for processing, collection and sale.

Alexa may be more functional but I don't trust it (Amazon) at all from a privacy standpoint.
 
Last edited:
This is not surprising. They don't see interactive AI as a priority until everyone else says it is. Apple has been playing it way too safe for years. I remember I wrote to Tim Cook years ago asking to integrate Chat Box technology into Siri. They missed a lot of opportunities to showcase true AI instead of a boring limited database like Siri. Their only focus is to put AI in the camera that you don't see or interact with. They didn't focus on Machine learning in the Keyboard to improve productivity, they didn't put AI in Siri. I'm sure this year in iOS 17 we won't see any new AI features when this year it's a hot thing.
 
Let’s be honest Siri is and always has been a complete POS. I dread using it, Amazon‘s Alexa for example, is light years ahead of Siri in terms of functionality.
Alexa keeps trying to sell me subscriptions to Amazon Music whenever it forgets it’s paused something, but otherwise definitely has a lot going for it. It’d be great to see more capabilities with Siri that catch up to competitors.
 
Interesting piece of news!

I wonder if Siri's slow advancement could be largely attributed to privacy and confidentiality protections. I recall reading some time back that because the backend of Siri keeps the data in a more confidential fashion than Alex or Google Assistant that there isn't as much learning across contexts -- something like that and I'm sure I'm not fully characterising it properly but the gist is there.

I like it that way that Apple puts a lot of thought behind privacy and confidentiality rather than charging ahead with implementing new technology and making privacy and confidentiality issues more of an afterthought to be addressed via patching afterwards.
 
I'll accept Siri being of minimal capabilities versus all of my requests being sent to a "mothership" for processing, collection and sale.
I’d rather send my request to a mothership. There should be an option in the settings: if you accept to have remote processing you get a more feature rich experience, if you decide that everything has to be processed locally you accept the current subpar experience.
 
This type of dysfunction happens when corporations/organizations/governments become too big. Apple needs to diversify its corporate structure into smaller units. They are trying to do too many things under one "roof" and they end up running in circles at Apple Campus.
 
I think Siri died when late Steve Jobs passed away.
Well whatever happened @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ I personally almost never use it and for things I want to use it for they fail half the time (like telling it to unlock my smart lock and I get something like your device is failing to respond, sometimes after it unlocks). I use google and other things to search for info the search of Siri is dismal and mostly useless.
 
This type of dysfunction happens when corporations/organizations/governments become too big. Apple needs to diversify its corporate structure into smaller units. They are trying to do too many things under one "roof" and they end up running in circles at Apple Campus.
Yep that always happens remember when Apple was the new kid and the inovator and they made fun of the big Microsoft corporation with that video of runner disrupting a 1984 like meeting by the “leader”. Well they are now the big boy and institutions do seem to evolve exactly how you describe.
 
Well whatever happened @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ I personally almost never use it and for things I want to use it for they fail half the time (like telling it to unlock my smart lock and I get something like your device is failing to respond, sometimes after it unlocks). I use google and other things to search for info the search of Siri is dismal and mostly useless.
Makes sense! Question for you!

Would you deal with Siri half a** or deal with AI that might give mislead you and give you wrong information?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.