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Runaway Timemachine on 10.13.1

Sciuriware

Sciuriware

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Hi, I thought that skipping the first High Sierra release would also skip start-up bugs, but ....

After installation of 10.13.1 on my iMac and macbook pro, both started to backup the entire disk,
ignoring the exclude lists. In the nick of time I could prevent my TimeCapsule from spilling over.
I had to delete both sparsebundles and opened the options to edit the exclude list.
But it was still there. I clicked on SAVE and restarted backups.
To my surprise only 49Gb (the system only plus my documents and sources) was backup up now.

I'm disappointed with such behaviour of High Sierra; I fear this is only the start ....
;JOOP!
 
Sciuriware said:
After installation of 10.13.1 on my iMac and macbook pro, both started to backup the entire disk, ignoring the exclude lists.
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I had this happen with one backup, but then the rest of the backups went back to following the exclusion list.
 
Yeah, Time Machine is going crazy for me too. Using both a directly connected external HD and a Time Capsule, it seems to want to to a COMPLETE backup about once a day on each destination. Not good.

I may just turn off Time Machine and use a separate CCC backup drive until they work this out.
 
I Think this has a lot to do with the change from HFS+ (older OS) to APFS (now standard in High Sierra and further OS)...

having used CCC 4 before, I will definitely do a complete backup with the new CCC 5 before upgrading from Sierra to High Sierra... there is a 30 days free trial for CCC 5 and 50% off for me as a CCC4 UIser - so I did upgrade some minutes ago..

I think this investment is one of the best you can do. At least for me.

The developer explains some possible and already happened problems here:

https://bombich.com/blog

https://bombich.com/blog/2017/09/26/resuming-your-bootable-backups-after-upgrading-high-sierra

perhaps these links will help you...
 
The same Time Machine problem appeared on my Fusion driven iMac, which could NOT convert to APFS.
So ..........
;JOOP!
 
Sciuriware said:
The same Time Machine problem appeared on my Fusion driven iMac, which could NOT convert to APFS.
So ..........
;JOOP!
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Perhaps you should have had a look here before trying that:


https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-10-13/

Especially the yellow marked part about the new file system....

"For the time being, macOS High Sierra's APFS feature is limited to Macs that have all-flash storage, meaning it is not compatible with Fusion Drives in some iMac and Mac mini machines. Support for Fusion Drives will be added in a later update."
 
MrAverigeUser said:
Perhaps you should have had a look here before trying that:


https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-10-13/

Especially the yellow marked part about the new file system....

"For the time being, macOS High Sierra's APFS feature is limited to Macs that have all-flash storage, meaning it is not compatible with Fusion Drives in some iMac and Mac mini machines. Support for Fusion Drives will be added in a later update."
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I'm not sure what your point is. 10.13.x is supported on Fusion Drives but the OS installer doesn't convert the Fusion Drive to APFS.
Carbon Copy Cloner doesn't have anything to do with this problem, and it's not directly related to APFS.
My computer which also decided to ignore the Time Machine exclusion lists is also using a Fusion Drive which is still HFS+.
 
chrfr said:
I'm not sure what your point is. 10.13.x is supported on Fusion Drives but the OS installer doesn't convert the Fusion Drive to APFS.
Carbon Copy Cloner doesn't have anything to do with this problem, and it's not directly related to APFS.
My computer which also decided to ignore the Time Machine exclusion lists is also using a Fusion Drive which is still HFS+.
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Exactly so!
;JOOP!
 
Sciuriware said:
In the nick of time I could prevent my TimeCapsule from spilling over.
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I've had this problem for 3.5 weeks now, and it doesn't matter what backup system I use (TM or CCC) the drive keeps filling up and crashing. In two instances I've also had the machine itself crash.
In my case, I've been working directly with Apple engineers and we've discovered a file linked to the Mail system (this particular machine runs Server) that is growing at around 5GB per minute when any backup system is enabled. They believe this is linked to a bug with AFPS but at this stage there is no resolution.
So right now I have a machine that is running, but no effective backup.
 
GoodHealthIT said:
I've had this problem for 3.5 weeks now, and it doesn't matter what backup system I use (TM or CCC) the drive keeps filling up and crashing. In two instances I've also had the machine itself crash.
In my case, I've been working directly with Apple engineers and we've discovered a file linked to the Mail system (this particular machine runs Server) that is growing at around 5GB per minute when any backup system is enabled. They believe this is linked to a bug with AFPS but at this stage there is no resolution.
So right now I have a machine that is running, but no effective backup.
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I wonder what it has to do with APFS on Fusion machines that did not convert to APFS.
Or it must be the APFS support hidden in Time Machine that goes crazy.
And, my main disk did not spill over, it's the Time Capsule that suddenly gets the whole bunch
when the exclude list is ignored at all!
In the mean time I revert to SuperDuper!
;JOOP!
 
GoodHealthIT said:
I've had this problem for 3.5 weeks now, and it doesn't matter what backup system I use (TM or CCC) the drive keeps filling up and crashing. In two instances I've also had the machine itself crash.
In my case, I've been working directly with Apple engineers and we've discovered a file linked to the Mail system (this particular machine runs Server) that is growing at around 5GB per minute when any backup system is enabled. They believe this is linked to a bug with AFPS but at this stage there is no resolution.
So right now I have a machine that is running, but no effective backup.
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After several reboots I tried again.
At present Time Machine has performed correctly for several days.
I don't have a clue how the problem disappeared and I don't like this at all ....
;JOOP!
 
OP:
I suggest you give CarbonCopyCloner a try.
It's free to download and try for 30 days.
It will create and maintain a BOOTABLE cloned backup of your internal drive.
Carbon Copy Cloner - Download

You could also try SuperDuper -- similar application.
 
Fishrrman said:
OP:
I suggest you give CarbonCopyCloner a try.
It's free to download and try for 30 days.
It will create and maintain a BOOTABLE cloned backup of your internal drive.
Carbon Copy Cloner - Download

You could also try SuperDuper -- similar application.
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I'm using SuperDuper! already; but Time Machine should work correctly as all macOS should.
Nevertheless, thanks for your reaction.
;JOOP!
 
It seems that 10.13.2 solved the problem concerning excludes.

I'm curious if other issues also have gone.
For the moment this thread rests.
;JOOP!
 
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