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Very likely the real reason is pixel 9 pro close cannot handle well or too buggy for what they want to live demo. In last year event before this one, they used a pixel phone to demo Android stuff. Even with Samsung Ultra the live demo failed twice.

Pixel is infamous for hardware and software unstable, and also own chip not close to flagship level.

Yeah their photo taking is good, but other stuff not acceptable
 

Very likely the real reason is pixel 9 pro close cannot handle well or too buggy for what they want to live demo. In last year event before this one, they used a pixel phone to demo Android stuff. Even with Samsung Ultra the live demo failed twice.

Pixel is infamous for hardware and software unstable, and also own chip not close to flagship level.

Yeah their photo taking is good, but other stuff not acceptable

More than acceptable to me, my 9 pro does all I need and more.
 
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Very likely the real reason is pixel 9 pro close cannot handle well or too buggy for what they want to live demo. In last year event before this one, they used a pixel phone to demo Android stuff. Even with Samsung Ultra the live demo failed twice.

Pixel is infamous for hardware and software unstable, and also own chip not close to flagship level.

Yeah their photo taking is good, but other stuff not acceptable
I am seeing a trend here? You posted a negative post on s25 ultra and now the Pixel 9 Pro but don't have either phone??

What gives?

If you like iPhone or any other phone that is not a problem but just posting gloom and doom about two new Android phones seems a bit odd, specially since you don't own them.

Having had a Pixel 8 Pro and S24 Ultra and an s23 Ultra before that and a Pixel 7 Pro before that there is certainly a decent evolution happening on both fronts. Sometimes that evolution is big and sometimes it isn't.

But for your example of the Tensor chip if someone has had any Pixel since the 6 then they would recognize a definite improvement year over year and if they are using a Pixel then comparing it to other phones unless you have another brand by the Pixel side by side you wouldn't notice that the Tensor may not be as fat as other flagship processors.

Google stated they were never going to be in a Benchmark competition and that the NPU and AI features were there primary focus. You could argue the NPU on Tensor isn't as good as Snapdragon but if you ever used a Pixel phone it handles some AI related tasks better than any other phone despite that.

Samsung s25 U went in a direction I am not fond of but the response of most buyers is that it is the best phone they have ever had. Any issues with camera software generally improve after a few updates and the Snapdragon Elite chip is a pretty huge improvement year over year.

All companies producing smartphones that have an established reputation and business model are not making major redesigns and big improvements year over year any more and instead come out with one good design in hardware they keep for a few years and refine year over year until the next big redesign.

So if you want to see huge changes you need to keep whatever you have for 3 years or more and then upgrade and then you will see major changes.

BTW the Tensor is rumored to get the chip fab at TSMC this year for the Pixel 10 and rumors are that chip will be a significant change in performance but who knows? Google just doesn't care about having the fastest processor and a lot of people are very happy despite that. In fact, Google never used the best CPU's in there phones going all the way back to the Nexus days. They have always focused on software and I doubt that will change anytime soon.

Samsung still has the best hardware on any major phone. Period. You may argue that the Chinese brands are superior in hardware and may argue Apple is better but the Chinese brands are still significantly behind in terms of long term software support and market penetration globally or at least in the US. Apple is great for what it is and if you like iOS then your choice has been made.

I feel like you should be free to post whatever you want on these forums and I am not trying to moderate or tell you what to write but your arguments would be a lot more convincing if you actually bought and returned or still owned any of the phones you are complaining about. Posting YouTube videos to justify your opinions don't move the needle much since we all know people say whatever they want o YouTube to get views.
 
I am seeing a trend here? You posted a negative post on s25 ultra and now the Pixel 9 Pro but don't have either phone??

What gives?

If you like iPhone or any other phone that is not a problem but just posting gloom and doom about two new Android phones seems a bit odd, specially since you don't own them.

Having had a Pixel 8 Pro and S24 Ultra and an s23 Ultra before that and a Pixel 7 Pro before that there is certainly a decent evolution happening on both fronts. Sometimes that evolution is big and sometimes it isn't.

But for your example of the Tensor chip if someone has had any Pixel since the 6 then they would recognize a definite improvement year over year and if they are using a Pixel then comparing it to other phones unless you have another brand by the Pixel side by side you wouldn't notice that the Tensor may not be as fat as other flagship processors.

Google stated they were never going to be in a Benchmark competition and that the NPU and AI features were there primary focus. You could argue the NPU on Tensor isn't as good as Snapdragon but if you ever used a Pixel phone it handles some AI related tasks better than any other phone despite that.

Samsung s25 U went in a direction I am not fond of but the response of most buyers is that it is the best phone they have ever had. Any issues with camera software generally improve after a few updates and the Snapdragon Elite chip is a pretty huge improvement year over year.

All companies producing smartphones that have an established reputation and business model are not making major redesigns and big improvements year over year any more and instead come out with one good design in hardware they keep for a few years and refine year over year until the next big redesign.

So if you want to see huge changes you need to keep whatever you have for 3 years or more and then upgrade and then you will see major changes.

BTW the Tensor is rumored to get the chip fab at TSMC this year for the Pixel 10 and rumors are that chip will be a significant change in performance but who knows? Google just doesn't care about having the fastest processor and a lot of people are very happy despite that. In fact, Google never used the best CPU's in there phones going all the way back to the Nexus days. They have always focused on software and I doubt that will change anytime soon.

Samsung still has the best hardware on any major phone. Period. You may argue that the Chinese brands are superior in hardware and may argue Apple is better but the Chinese brands are still significantly behind in terms of long term software support and market penetration globally or at least in the US. Apple is great for what it is and if you like iOS then your choice has been made.

I feel like you should be free to post whatever you want on these forums and I am not trying to moderate or tell you what to write but your arguments would be a lot more convincing if you actually bought and returned or still owned any of the phones you are complaining about. Posting YouTube videos to justify your opinions don't move the needle much since we all know people say whatever they want o YouTube to get views.

I am not iPhone fanboy at all, try to switch to another brand but no choice
 
I am seeing a trend here? You posted a negative post on s25 ultra and now the Pixel 9 Pro but don't have either phone??

What gives?

If you like iPhone or any other phone that is not a problem but just posting gloom and doom about two new Android phones seems a bit odd, specially since you don't own them.

Having had a Pixel 8 Pro and S24 Ultra and an s23 Ultra before that and a Pixel 7 Pro before that there is certainly a decent evolution happening on both fronts. Sometimes that evolution is big and sometimes it isn't.

But for your example of the Tensor chip if someone has had any Pixel since the 6 then they would recognize a definite improvement year over year and if they are using a Pixel then comparing it to other phones unless you have another brand by the Pixel side by side you wouldn't notice that the Tensor may not be as fat as other flagship processors.

Google stated they were never going to be in a Benchmark competition and that the NPU and AI features were there primary focus. You could argue the NPU on Tensor isn't as good as Snapdragon but if you ever used a Pixel phone it handles some AI related tasks better than any other phone despite that.

Samsung s25 U went in a direction I am not fond of but the response of most buyers is that it is the best phone they have ever had. Any issues with camera software generally improve after a few updates and the Snapdragon Elite chip is a pretty huge improvement year over year.

All companies producing smartphones that have an established reputation and business model are not making major redesigns and big improvements year over year any more and instead come out with one good design in hardware they keep for a few years and refine year over year until the next big redesign.

So if you want to see huge changes you need to keep whatever you have for 3 years or more and then upgrade and then you will see major changes.

BTW the Tensor is rumored to get the chip fab at TSMC this year for the Pixel 10 and rumors are that chip will be a significant change in performance but who knows? Google just doesn't care about having the fastest processor and a lot of people are very happy despite that. In fact, Google never used the best CPU's in there phones going all the way back to the Nexus days. They have always focused on software and I doubt that will change anytime soon.

Samsung still has the best hardware on any major phone. Period. You may argue that the Chinese brands are superior in hardware and may argue Apple is better but the Chinese brands are still significantly behind in terms of long term software support and market penetration globally or at least in the US. Apple is great for what it is and if you like iOS then your choice has been made.

I feel like you should be free to post whatever you want on these forums and I am not trying to moderate or tell you what to write but your arguments would be a lot more convincing if you actually bought and returned or still owned any of the phones you are complaining about. Posting YouTube videos to justify your opinions don't move the needle much since we all know people say whatever they want o YouTube to get views.

As a consumer I don’t care what was their history and if they improve or what, I care what I get with my money only. I point out why I cannot choose these two brands with evidences. Pixel phones are full of problems while they need to use Samsung phone to demo in their own phone event. Samsung hardware is far from the best, there are 1 inch sensor phones, and the camera is mainly based on AI while iPhone and pixel win.
 
You may like to debug pixel or find out if your pixel is a good luck draw no need to return is your choice. Samsung glue would wear out after like a year or camera delay like half second after pressing a button. I don’t want want to deal with these.
 
You may like to debug pixel or find out if your pixel is a good luck draw no need to return is your choice. Samsung glue would wear out after like a year or camera delay like half second after pressing a button. I don’t want want to deal with these.
Then why even post on here? Seems your mind is made up.

Get something with a one inch sensor? Get something you like.

If you just want advice on buying something other than Samsung or Google then just ask any suggestions other than those two brands for Android? Simple. No need to put a negative spin on those brands and say there are better choices.

If there are better choices why don't you ask questions about those?

I don’t understand your posts?? But do you.
 
Then why even post on here? Seems your mind is made up.

Get something with a one inch sensor? Get something you like.

If you just want advice on buying something other than Samsung or Google then just ask any suggestions other than those two brands for Android? Simple. No need to put a negative spin on those brands and say there are better choices.

If there are better choices why don't you ask questions about those?

I don’t understand your posts?? But do you.

As I said phone camera is mainly based on AI.
 
I had high hopes for the Pixel 9 series—new design, Tensor G4, fancy AI hype. But after seeing it in action (or not), I’m convinced Google’s just repeating the same old story: big promises, shaky execution. The Pixel 9 lineup might have a fresh coat of paint, but it’s still got that same unreliable Pixel DNA. Need proof? Even Google’s own team ditched it for a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra during the launch demo. If that doesn’t scream “we don’t trust our own phone,” I don’t know what does. Here’s why the Pixel 9’s a hard pass—and how the Pixel 8’s mess backs it up.

Hardware: Shiny Outside, Meh Inside​

The Pixel 9 crew—base, Pro, Pro XL, and Fold—showed up with a slick redesign and the Tensor G4 chip. Sounds promising until you realize it’s barely an upgrade. The G4’s a slight tweak over the G3, still getting smoked by Snapdragon or Apple’s chips in power and efficiency. Battery life’s up a bit—36 hours if you’re gentle—but it’s not wowing anyone. Cameras? Same 50MP main sensor as the Pixel 8, with a new 48MP ultrawide that’s decent but not a leap. Posts on X and Reddit already flag overheating during video or gaming—same old Tensor troubles. For $799-$1,000+, this feels like Google slapping a new label on last year’s leftovers.

Pixel 8’s Sad Tale: Google’s Been Slackin’ Forever​

Think the Pixel 9’s rocky start is a fluke? Rewind to the Pixel 8 series in 2023. Google called it their “most stable” Tensor run—until it crashed and burned. Random reboots, touchscreen ghosting, and a camera app that’d forget to save shots were daily headaches. The modem was a joke—5G dropping, calls cutting out, and the phone turning into a hand warmer off Wi-Fi. Reddit threads from early 2024 had Pixel 8 Pro users venting about laggy UI and battery nosedives, while an Android Police piece called out a buggy patch that bricked units. Google took months to half-fix it, showing they’d rather let users suffer than ship something solid. It’s not a glitch; it’s a tradition.

Pixel 9 Launch Fumble: Samsung to the Rescue​

Here’s the kicker: at the Pixel 9 launch event in August 2024, Google’s team tried demoing Gemini AI features—like calendar integration with a concert poster—live on stage. Guess what? It flopped twice. And they weren’t even using a Pixel 9—they had to swap to a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra to make it work on the third try. Tech sites like The Verge and Android Police caught it, and X lit up with folks pointing out the irony. If Google’s own crew won’t risk a Pixel 9 for a live demo, why should we trust it in our pockets? The Pixel 8’s instability clearly spooked them, and the 9’s no different—just shinier wrapping on the same shaky core.

Software Stumbles: Bugs Keep Coming​

Android 15 hit the Pixel 9 with Gemini AI bells and whistles—Pixel Studio, Reimagine, etc.—but it’s a mess. X users report Bluetooth cutting out (especially with Android Auto), and a January 2025 update fixed some camera crashes but left screen flickering for others. Digital Trends flagged shutter lag on the 9 Pro XL’s 50MP mode, and I’ve heard of fingerprint sensors acting up in pockets. Seven years of updates sounds nice, but what’s the point if they can’t get it right out of the gate? The Pixel 8’s launch bugs took forever to patch—history’s repeating itself, and Google’s just shrugging.

What People Are Saying​

The internet’s not quiet about this. A TechRadar piece from November 2024 called out Pixel 9 Bluetooth and GPS hiccups, while Reddit’s Pixel sub has threads on the 9 Pro XL overheating during 8K video. The Pixel 8 had its own pile of gripes—X posts from 2023 trashed its reliability, with users like Sharon_Bava swearing off it after travel woes. Google’s demo fail only fuels the fire—MacRumors forums speculated the Pixel 9 was too buggy for the spotlight, and they’re probably right. It’s “great camera, everything else flops” all over again.

Why Skip It​

The Pixel 9’s got a killer camera and clean Android vibes, but that’s where the good ends. Google’s track record with the Pixel 8 shows they don’t care enough to fix what’s broken—they’d rather hype it and hope we don’t notice. The launch demo switch to a Galaxy S24 Ultra proves even they’re not brave enough to bet on it live. Why drop $1,000 on a phone Google won’t stand behind? Grab a Galaxy S24, an iPhone 15, or even a discounted Pixel 8a—less cash, less chaos.
Anyone else catch the demo fiasco? How’s your Pixel 9 holding up—or are you done with Google’s half-baked experiments too?
 
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