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Used an s1 back in the day then a s4 for a few months (my gfs - she got an ulltra 2).

Got an apple refurbished s9 45mm in silver a few months ago and wanted to share some reflections:

Build quality
is great. The screen is v nice but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t envious of the screen on my gfs u2 which stays bright in the sun. Although as I’m in the uk we don’t see much bright sun, so phew. I guess.

Watch faces
I like just a few of them. Most are a bit meh with lots of pretty old ones from previous versions. I don’t think that a faces store is a solution necessarily but I do think that apple need to redesign these. Especially when in the world of automatic watches there are interesting and innovative face designs coming out every year. Making the faces scalable for the different screen sizes that each of the AWs have would probably be a good idea too. I do love the relatively new solar face though.

Always on display.
I thought I’d love this but I can take or leave it. It’s almost kinda rude to other people when you leave it on as people can’t help but look at it.

Exercise tracking
Seems to be great?

Vitals app & stats.
Are less useful than I thought they’d be. I’m a guy and in reasonable health and I don’t need to check for a cycle. So the temperature is whatever. Ditto respiratory & blood oxygen (I’m in the uk).

The only things I find very useful are sleep tracking and estimated vo2. So if the battery life wasn’t dire, the s4 would’ve been fine for this (or the se2).

Coaching.
Is much the same as early versions of watchOS & is pretty terrible. If oura and other smartwatch manufacturers can have far more useful actionable insights why can’t apple? I presume this coming with the rumoured AI powered health+ service ($ services ker-ching).

Heath and fitness app
Having your stats split between the fitness app and the health app is weird. I don’t know how apple could solve this but they should. Plus two different vo2 estimates in each app is confusing.

Battery life
is great & will last a day and half - sometimes a little longer - depending on how many workouts you do.

Siri
Is terrible. Even on device Siri can only set a timer reliably half the time. It’s ok for sending slightly garbled iMessages to my gf when I’m walking around & the mistakes that Siri makes she finds amusing at least.

Third party apps
Don’t really use them. I think the future of these is via Siri (if / when they can get it to work properly).

Final thoughts
If not for the plastic back and the old processor and rumoured terrible battery life, I probably would’ve been happy with what the se2 offers!

But only because apple doesn’t do anything much useful with the myriad stats it collects and the faces are tired (and I personally find the aod a bit meh).

I don’t know where apple will take the watch. S10 and the ultra are both very nice watches so I think that the hardware design is in v good shape.

The issue is with the software mostly. I kinda think it needs to get better faces, better Siri and way better actionable health, fitness and training insights.

Oh and even better battery life.
 
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Always on display.
I thought I’d love this but I can take or leave it. It’s almost kinda rude to other people when you leave it on as people can’t help but look at it.
Put the finger on why I feel uncomfortable with AOD. I usually have my watch on the Activity Face, so I can quickly see where I am with closing my circles. But I don't need every person I pass by in the street to see how active/inactive I've been for the day.
 
I agree that SIRI on the AW sucks big time. I wanted to use it to start a timer this weekend when grilling and it couldn’t open the timer app.

It’s lacking. Despite local processing……
 
Put the finger on why I feel uncomfortable with AOD. I usually have my watch on the Activity Face, so I can quickly see where I am with closing my circles. But I don't need every person I pass by in the street to see how active/inactive I've been for the day.
You can turn the complications off but what I was meaning is that the human eye tends to be drawn to the bright display. I feel pretty stupid (edit) when I accidentally show it on work video calls too as it looks like I’m showing it off when I’m really not
 
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I agree with a good amount of your points but saying that having AoD enabled on your watch is rude is a wild take.
See my comment above ! But I guess though if people have a Rolex it’s designed to be seen & noticed. The aod is kinda similar & I feel a little uncomfortable about it.
 
I agree that SIRI on the AW sucks big time. I wanted to use it to start a timer this weekend when grilling and it couldn’t open the timer app.

It’s lacking. Despite local processing……
Yeah. On device Siri isn’t a selling point if Siri doesn’t work half the time.
 
I feel pretty stupid (edit) when I accidentally show it on work video calls too as it looks like I’m showing it off when I’m really not

I never in a million years would think someone was "showing off" if I saw their Apple Watch display on a video call. The Apple Watch is worn by millions of people and the AoD is on by default.
 
I never in a million years would think someone was "showing off" if I saw their Apple Watch display on a video call. The Apple Watch is worn by millions of people and the AoD is on by default.
I don't care whether people may or may not be intending to "Show off" with their watch faces, but I do sometimes get distracted by people's Apple watch faces. Not always, but sometimes something about the face -color or angle or brightness -- grabs my attention in a distracting way. Like, I once saw a picture of Tim Cook where I could see the activity circles on his watch. If he was wearing that during a product presentation, I think that would have been pretty distracting. Or imagine if he had one of the animated cartoon watch faces! But a simpler watch face with just the watch hands would be ok.
 
There are worse things to look at other peoples stuff than AOD. I use AOD, and love it. Never really thought or felt i was showing off, I mean watches were showing time all the time, Analog or digital before AW. I know folks with OCD may make it a big deal, but it doesn’t bother me.
 
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Battery life
is great & will last a day and half - sometimes a little longer - depending on how many workouts you do.
On this i have to disagree.
Using a Series 8 45 mm with 99% battery health, and its crap.
It was crap even when it was new for 8 months ago.
Yesterday i took off the watch from charger at 10.30 am.
Wear it all day with a run on 45 minutes and went to bed at 10pm.
I had 35% left.
This is not good in my world, and this is everyday.
Next watch will be a Garmin.
 
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On this i have to disagree.
Using a Series 8 45 mm with 99% battery health, and its crap.
It was crap even when it was new for 8 months ago.
Yesterday i took off the watch from charger at 10.30 am.
Wear it all day with a run on 45 minutes and went to bed at 10pm.
I had 35% left.
This is not good in my world, and this is everyday.
Next watch will be a Garmin.
That's about what I get with my S8, and for me it's perfectly satisfactory. I just charge it for an hour to hour and half before bed, wear it to bed, then charge it again in the morning while I'm talking a shower. Battery lasts all day until I put it back on charger again before bed. It'd be a problem if I'm running a marathon, but I just do a 30-45 minute walking workout, so it works fine for me.
 
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On this i have to disagree.
Using a Series 8 45 mm with 99% battery health, and its crap.
It was crap even when it was new for 8 months ago.
Yesterday i took off the watch from charger at 10.30 am.
Wear it all day with a run on 45 minutes and went to bed at 10pm.
I had 35% left.
This is not good in my world, and this is everyday.
Next watch will be a Garmin.
The aw has always been bad at battery life. Low power mode really helps though. But yeah it’s a mystery to me why the watch drains so much power and a typical recent garmin can keep going for days and days.
 
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I also want to add that the actionable insights around sleep data - or lack of - is really bad.

Unfortunately I’m sleeping badly at the moment and am averaging out 5.5 hours a night.

Vitals and the heath app report that my 5.5 is ‘typical’.

This may be statistically true - for me - if I’m averaging this time over 30 days, but obviously it’s not good for an adult male to be sleeping so little.

And what does the watch, vitals & health have to say to help me?

Absolutely no personalised actionable insights.

Compare this to something like oura which makes a big deal of using your data to suggest useful actionable insights.

So for me, this is typical of how apple is collecting all of this data but doing not too much with it at all to help you in your daily life.
 
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I love Siri on the watch, really only use it there in fact. I do not want Siri getting accidentally engaged on devices ever, so I only have her listen if I both raise my watch to my face AND say Hey Siri (or press and hold the button on the phone/watch). No more Siri accidental listening and responding, and I can still activate Siri hands free because of the watch.
 
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I agree that SIRI on the AW sucks big time. I wanted to use it to start a timer this weekend when grilling and it couldn’t open the timer app.

It’s lacking. Despite local processing……
I’ve found Siri to be bipolar. Telling her individual steps, like open the timer app, causes a mess. But telling her to set a timer for 4:30 am tomorrow works perfectly for some reason. Other times you have to dumb it wayyy down for her to understand. I really don’t get it.
 
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