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Some months ago, needing more storage in my early-2010 MacBook Pro (2.66GHz Core2Duo, 8GB RAM), I purchased a 7200 RPM, 500GB Seagate Momentus XT hard disk shortly after its SD25 firmware came out. I was intrigued by the "hybrid" technology, in which the drive automatically caches frequently-accessed data in 4GB of flash RAM, supplementing the drive's 32MB of conventional cache. I figured they just had to have fixed the odd bugs afflicting that drive with the SD25 firmware. My drive arrived with SD24 on it, so I performed the update (which on the Mac involves downloading an .iso, burning it to a CD, and booting into it), and tried it out for a few weeks. I started with a clean install of Snow Leopard and then a restore of my apps and data using Time Machine, hooking the Mac's original drive onto a USB adapter to speed the restoration.

Well, a month later I'd yanked the thing in frustration with its occasional odd pauses, an inability to hibernate reliably and terrible battery life. I replaced it with a similarly-spec'd Hitachi Travelstar, also clean-installed with Snow Leopard. That one wasn't too satisfying, either-- my habit of having dozens of browser tabs open made for frequent beachballs.

When Lion came out, and buoyed by hope-inspiring initial reports, I decided to give the Momentus XT another try. I clean-installed Lion and restored directly from the Travelstar via the USB adapter.

And the news is good. The machine feels like a new purchase, thanks both to this drive and to Lion's superior utilization of RAM. Subjectively, the machine is perhaps 30-50% more responsive even though I now have the new File Vault turned on. Battery life is back to about four hours, and there have been no problems whatsoever.

So it seems that Apple and Seagate have linked arms to make this technology work well under Lion. Happy camper here, and I hereby retract my previous fulminations about the Momentus XT.
 
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Mid 2010 i5 MBP (4GB RAM) here and I recently updated my Momentus XT from SD23 with SL to SD25 with Lion. BIG DIFFERENCE! Much faster at loading and closing apps, sleeping and waking and rarely if ever any beachballs...
Very happy with the Momentus XT SD25 and Lion...:D
 
How much difference is there comparing with a 5400rpm drive? I could upgrade, but Momentus XTs are not cheap, and I don't feel like my Pro is "slow" now.
 
I odn't know if this issue is related to my XT or the recent firmware update I performed but I am now experiencing a problem with the "deep sleep/hibernation" with my 2010 MBP...Now, after an overnight of sleep, my MBP doesn't awaken with just a click of the MM or the MTP or even the keyboard (Apple bluetooth)...I literally have to open the MBP from clamshell mode, then press the power button and I can see a meter/progress bar on the grey screen of the MBP display for a few seconds, then my ACD comes on...

I don't remember having this issue before I upgraded the firmware from SD23 to SD25, but I find it difficult to fathom the issue being caused by the Momentus XT (although certainly I could be wrong)...:confused:
 
Update:
After reading how many MBP owners have had issues with the "deep-sleep/hibernate" regardless of the type of HDD/SSD they are using...
I took the recommendation of many to download "SmartSleep" which allows one to disable the "deep-sleep/hibernate" mode or set the MBP to only DS/H if on battery...
I'll report back on how this worked out...:)
 
I have a thread on this already, as I did not want to hijack this thread, but i will do so now :)

How do you like FileVault 2's performance? Do you think it would be enough a performance decreaser as to negate the benefits of this hybrid HD/Lion speed combo?

Thanks!
 
MacBook Pro 13.3" 2.53GHz 500GB-HD 4GB-RAM all stock but with latest Lion!

Hi, I wanted to upgrade to the XT but didn't because of the "horror" stories, but now it seems like everything is a-ok. Just a couple of questions, let's say that I get an XT with any firmware and the 8GB RAM that I also want and put everthing in. I fire-up Lion recovery and perform a clean install of Lion on the XT, then migrate my stuff from Time Machine (everything should work great up to this point). Do I need to upgrade to SD25? Where do I get the .iso? If I upgrade will any of my stuff get erased/messed up? The SD28 is out already, anyone's had experiences with that?

Cheers

MacBook Pro 13.3" 2.53GHz 500GB-HD 4GB-RAM all stock but with latest Lion!
 
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I'm running SD25 right now, and it's been great for almost a year.

I did my install from a time machine backup. Just a clone install. It took about 2 hours, but it was like I never removed the hard drive.

I'm now running out of space on the 500GB drive, so I was thinking about getting the new 750GB XT and doing the swap again. Haven't fully decided yet, though.
 
I still have a 500GB Momentus XT in my MBP. It's about 6 months old, however, I have now used it as a "storage" device for my media. I'm using my SSD for everything else. Is that giving me ANY performance enhancement? Probably not and may just swap it out a 500GB 5400rpm drive I have and sell this one.
 
I would recommend a solid-state drive and skip hard drives altogether. I have SSDs in all of my Macs now (10 of them) and I have decided there is no going back. Too much beachballing, hangs, slow boot and sleep times, and the risk of disk failure with hard disks. I have had several hard disks die with prior PowerBooks and MacBooks over the years, and I've had nothing but a wonderful experience with solid-state drives.

Only wish the larger sized SSDs were more affordable. Solid State storage still is quite expensive. My hope is that it will steadily decrease in price over the coming years.

But yes, the difference when using SSD is like night and day compared to Hard Disk drives. I firmly believe 100% that it's the best upgrade you can add to your system to increase performance.

But I will agree that 750GB / 1TB of SSD storage is currently non-economical for most needs, too expensive, and mostly unavailable right now. So if ultra-large internal disk storage is a must, I can see the need for a good HD if you really need to store 1TB of data on your internal MacBook disk drive.
 
Would you recommend the Momentus XT over the Scorpio Black?

I don't know if you're asking me this question since it's right after my post or asking someone else. But, I'll answer anyway. If you're going to use the HDD as a boot drive then definitely Momentus XT but if it's just going to be some sort of "storage" drive, then Scorpio Black.
 
I don't know if you're asking me this question since it's right after my post or asking someone else. But, I'll answer anyway. If you're going to use the HDD as a boot drive then definitely Momentus XT but if it's just going to be some sort of "storage" drive, then Scorpio Black.

thanks for the reply. I'm thinking of replacing my 5400rpm drive for a momentus xt or the scorpio black. like you i have a ssd which is going to remain as my boot drive.... is your momentus xt sata 2 or 3?
 
thanks for the reply. I'm thinking of replacing my 5400rpm drive for a momentus xt or the scorpio black. like you i have a ssd which is going to remain as my boot drive.... is your momentus xt sata 2 or 3?

The Momentus XT 500GB (f/w SD28) I have is SATA II. I have no idea if it adds anything at all when I use as back up drive like you're going to have. My SSD will have my entire system and the XT will just have all media, nothing more. I get a read/write speed of 80/sec when I tested. So I guess that would just probably will be faster and it would be able to "keep up" with the SSD when it is having some sort of data connection.
 
I will use it as a boot drive, it wil be replacing my stock 250GB 5400RPM HD. I was afraid that the Momentus XT has so many issues, but apparently that is all gone. Also I don't need more than 500GB, so the one I'll be getting, is the first gen XT. Also for me, in my local store I could either get the 500GB Scorpio Black for 109EUR or 500GB Momentus XT for 133EUR. Running Lion 1.7.2 on MacBook Pro 13" 2,53GHz Core 2 Duo with 4GB RAM (soon to be 8GB)
 
But I will agree that 750GB / 1TB of SSD storage is currently non-economical for most needs, too expensive, and mostly unavailable right now. So if ultra-large internal disk storage is a must, I can see the need for a good HD if you really need to store 1TB of data on your internal MacBook disk drive.

Bingo.

I'll switch to SSD when the price of a 500GB drive gets within $200. Until then, I'll stick with HDD. I can't sacrifice storage capacity, and I have no interest in losing my Optibay.
 
Does this improvement really have something to do with the fact that you are using Lion?

I mean, if you where using snow leopard or gnu/linux wouldn't you have the same improvement?

I think it has nothing to do with the OS as it just uses the interface provided by the new firmware.
 
I have a thread on this already, as I did not want to hijack this thread, but i will do so now :)

How do you like FileVault 2's performance? Do you think it would be enough a performance decreaser as to negate the benefits of this hybrid HD/Lion speed combo?

Thanks!

Just noticed your question.

I have FV2 turned on and notice no performance degradation whatsoever.

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Does this improvement really have something to do with the fact that you are using Lion?

I mean, if you where using snow leopard or gnu/linux wouldn't you have the same improvement?

I think it has nothing to do with the OS as it just uses the interface provided by the new firmware.

There's more to it than that. The Momentus XT didn't cohabit with Snow Leopard so well. Something deep in Lion has been tweaked so that the two are great together now.

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I will use it as a boot drive, it wil be replacing my stock 250GB 5400RPM HD. I was afraid that the Momentus XT has so many issues, but apparently that is all gone. Also I don't need more than 500GB, so the one I'll be getting, is the first gen XT. Also for me, in my local store I could either get the 500GB Scorpio Black for 109EUR or 500GB Momentus XT for 133EUR. Running Lion 1.7.2 on MacBook Pro 13" 2,53GHz Core 2 Duo with 4GB RAM (soon to be 8GB)

There's a new 750GB Momentus XT with twice the flash RAM on it. Pricey but capacious and really, really fast.
 
Yes, the 750GB Momentus XT is indeed very very fast. No problems in a L2011 15" MBP-no stuttering or random spin downs.

They apparently solved the power and freezing issues in the 750 by implementing a two-speed spindle. Instead of spinning down completely, the drive goes to a lower spin speed, then rapidly spins up when disk access is needed. It works great.

This drive is a bit power hungry, but this class of machine is for performance.

The doubling of the NAND on the new 750 also makes a noticeable impact on speed. I think Seagate finally got it right.
 
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