Should I job hop?

[TSE]

I like my current employer. I am in the design field, and my boss and team are absolutely great. I've only worked here three months. The only problem is... I'm not getting paid much. I'm 26 and really want to start saving but it's not that easy to do with what I'm getting paid.

My friend just recommended me to a job that will pay significantly more.


I am just worried about:

1. Burning a bridge with my current employer, as I really, really like my boss and we work closely with one another.

2. Having a resume of a "job" hopper.



How should I navigate this?

 

[Gutwrench]

Just curious, why did you accept your current position if the compensation is inadequate?

 

[TSE]

Just curious, why did you accept your current position if the compensation is inadequate?

It was the only offer I received in 6 months of applying.

 

[ruslan120]

At the end of the day everyone understands that it’s just a job. If you’ve been there at least 1-2 years then it’s totally fine.

If you professionally communicate that you’re leaving and leave on good terms there should be no issues.

You could even apply for the other job and have a meeting with your manager to let them know you’ve received a better offer. If you’ve been doing good work and are generally liked they might make you a counteroffer to stay.

 

[44267547]

I guess I can offer my own experience with this, I don’t work in the ‘design’ sector, but I specialize in law-enforcement. In L.E., ‘Job’ hopping is frowned upon big time. Employers/agencies want to see consistency in terms of what you were contributing throughout your tenure. It’s not always a bad thing if you leave one employer to go to another, but I would question A.) How frequent does the candidate do this [and] B.) In how long of a time span have you ‘jobbed hopped.’

I mean, if you’ve got glowing reviews from your previous employer when you’re looking for another job, that’s always a major benefit that can override job hopping, but still, any employer might be leery of the fact to hire you if they’re investing resources/training for someone who is ‘short term.’

My best advice is whatever job you plan on migrating to next, do your homework, understand the companies morals, framework, ect. Some things are unpredictable when we start a new job, but it’s always important to not make it habitual to have too _many_ jobs in one specific time Period [At least, in terms of your specific career path.]

Good luck.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I like my current employer. I am in the design field, and my boss and team are absolutely great. I've only worked here three months. The only problem is... I'm not getting paid much. I'm 26 and really want to start saving but it's not that easy to do with what I'm getting paid.

My friend just recommended me to a job that will pay significantly more.


I am just worried about:

1. Burning a bridge with my current employer, as I really, really like my boss and we work closely with one another.

2. Having a resume of a "job" hopper.



How should I navigate this?

Okay, a few thoughts.

I am not sure that you are asking the right questions, and prioritising money over job satisfaction and a positive work environment is something you may have to learn for yourself is not the best possible exchange unless your life goals and gods include the acquisition of copious sums of money.

Firstly, three months is not a terribly long time to work anywhere; at one level, you are still in the "honeymoon" period in your current job, where things are going well, and furthermore, there is no way you can have learned everything you need to learn in that job in that short period of time.

My advice would be to "navigate" this by remaining in your current position for at least for a further three months, and preferably for you to spend a year there before moving on.

For that matter, most of the applications I complete when applying for jobs only rate positions (or consider positions) in which you have worked for longer than six months when calculating your experience.

Secondly, you are young, and while money may matter, only life will teach you that a positive, supportive, encouraging professional work environment is actually worth an awful lot.

Earning substantial remuneration while working in a toxic environment is a soul-destroying experience.

So, you need to ask yourself whether 1) you have learned everything you can in this job, 2) whether the extra money available in the position you are thinking about is worth a possibly less pleasant working environment, 3) apart from extra money, what does this other position offer in career development and mentoring terms, and 4) unless a position is book-ended by a time constraint (i.e.a three months contract), do not think to leave a position in under six months.

Over twenty years ago, I took a salary cut to stay a third year with a boss I hugely liked and respected (funding had been cut); the total academic autonomy I enjoyed, the professional support, encouragement and respect I received, and the extraordinarily positive atmosphere all meant that - relatively poor income aside - I loved every minute of my time in that position, and it opened unexpected doors for me subsequently, which helped get me into the areas in which I work nowadays.

 

[gigatoaster]

Hello there

First you are entitled to feel that you’re being underpaid. However ask around, look at Glassdoor and make your own opinion.

Work life balance if very often considered better than money. It is more valuable in some sense.

I would suggest to stay a little bit more. Align your workload to what seems to you a decent salary. For instance if you think you are getting paid 70% work at 70% of your time. Use the 30% remaining to build your skills or discover new field in your job. Chose wisely, network inside your company and outside to gain a certain expertise.

 

[maflynn]

If money is your end result, then yes, get the ball rolling, but as I've told my wife countless times, if the job being offered is significantly higher they will extract their pound of flesh, i.e., you will be working harder, longer, under harsher conditions.

For me, I try to take this philosophical approach. "I work to live, not live to work." That is, I have a vibrant life outside of my professional career. I too took a position that paid a bit low on the market rate, but yet my work-life balance couldn't better. I work from home, and I'm there when my kids come home for school and handle other things that crop up at home related to raising children.

What I'm getting at, is there's more to life than a fatter paycheck. Of course, if you're struggling to make ends meet then you have to consider your options but reading between the lines, I don't think that's the case.

Let me just add that I'm of the opinion that if your resume shows a lot of movement from job to jobs, that could come back to haunt you, particularly when you most need a job.

 

[Gutwrench]

It was the only offer I received in 6 months of applying.

If word gets out you’re interviewing it can negatively affect your value at your current employer.

Prepare a good answer as to why you are leaving your current employer after only three months. It would cross my mind you could do the same to me after I invested time and money to hire, set you up, and train you.

@Relentless Power: There’s a significant difference in hiring between a private/public company and law enforcement (by LE I mean POST certified, sworn peace officers at the state, county, or municipal level).

 

[Applefan2015]

If you like your current employer, and happy with your boss / colleagues, I would stay where you are. Maybe in a few months time you could ask for a pay rise.

At the end of the day being happy should be more important than money imo.

 

[D.T.]

I'll chime in as someone who's been pretty successful in an industry with some design[er] overlap (software development/design), who as an owner dealt with some of the talent hiring process that certainly contributed to that success. (...and as a bonus my post won't have a box of single ticks spilled in it )

The only problem is... I'm not getting paid much.

It was the only offer I received in 6 months of applying.

Let me ask you this: given your current experience, and factoring in a little introspective talent analysis, is your pay reasonable? Not as in, is more money better, is more money appropriate?

I say this because there are companies, in an attempt to gain a little upper hand, and attract the best, will make offers that are way above even industry highs - I'll just say that can be a concern as their management assesses ROI for employees, and/or pushes to get more value out of their costs.

On the other hand, if you're clearly underpaid, then a new employer - this is the "short timer / job hopper" consideration - will easily recognize your intent and desire to capitalize on your talents, and that your existing gig is undervaluing you (and someone with the right understanding of the industry, knows how a person can arrive in an unsatisfactory position).

I hired people, who's previous job duration wasn't that long, and quite a few were fantastic, long term employees. I recognized that the dynamic nature of our industry meant that employment factors changed quickly, and that there are people who are in effectively "temp positions" purely because of timing. I had one awesome hire, dev, a woman in fact, who had been with a company for (if I recall correctly) for like 5 months[?] who was super concerned about the impact of that on her interview, I mean, she actually brought it up. Sure, we were offering more, but her role would be increased from the existing position, and we'd expect more, it was a fair trade off, that she agreed with, and my company had a rep such that people really wanted to work for us (I would not have surprised if she would've come on board with almost the same pay )

 

[Scepticalscribe]

And to add a further few cents worth: The very title "Should I job hop?" is off-putting; it suggests that you are not serious about your current position.

I'd recommend "Should I change jobs?" as a thread title instead.

 

[tobefirst ⚽️]

I was at my first job out of college just six months. As a graphic designer, I filled a position that was previously held by someone outside of the design field, despite the job being design related. My bosses loved everything I did there, as it was technically and creatively miles better than my predecessor. What took her a full 40 hours per week took me only half that after learning the ins and outs of the job. In addition, I wasn't paid very well at all.

When a position at another company opened up offering, I think it was, close to a 35% raise, doing work that would challenge me more and working alongside other designers, I couldn't pass it up. I did let my bosses know and they totally understood where I was coming from and said they unfortunately couldn't match the new salary. They wished me the best. I stayed on part time for an extra couple/few weeks to get my replacement up to speed. I've now been here for 15 years. All the stuff the people above me said about work life balance and working with people you like are absolutely true and that's a large part of the reason I haven't left here, even though I've been told I could do better work elsewhere. So, don't discount that.

What you're doing – if you take the new job – is not job hopping. Yet. In my opinion.

 

[44267547]

There’s a significant difference in hiring between a private/public company and law enforcement

Sure. In L.E. they look for different things in terms of what they’re hiring for (I.e positions, experience, backgrounds, etc). But in terms of a ‘job hopping’ as the OP worded it, it’s not uncommon to see Candidate XYZ jumping from one agency to another just because the next agency is paying a higher wage (Which seems partially related to the Op’s Mindset in that aspect). It’s not uncommon to see this in my line of work, nor is it a ‘good look’, because it doesn’t show the sense of loyalty to one department just because that person wants to make a little bit more money, especially when that person seems to ignore they enjoyed where they were working before, but they let more money rule all just to add more agencies to their resume in a short time frame . Case in point—It’s all mutually exclusive.

 

[nebo1ss]

I like my current employer. I am in the design field, and my boss and team are absolutely great. I've only worked here three months. The only problem is... I'm not getting paid much. I'm 26 and really want to start saving but it's not that easy to do with what I'm getting paid.

My friend just recommended me to a job that will pay significantly more.


I am just worried about:

1. Burning a bridge with my current employer, as I really, really like my boss and we work closely with one another.

2. Having a resume of a "job" hopper.



How should I navigate this?

You said the new job pays significantly more and you do not feel you are paid adequateyl, you also mention that you are getting a personal recommendation to the new job. That is three very good reasons to go for it.

There is no loyalty in the job market. Your present employer will not think twice about letting you go if there is a slight downturn in the business. You need to make sure you understand the new job and if it will be satisfying to you as well of course.

 

[ejb190]

There's a lot of good thoughts here. Let me add a couple.

Who's job do you want in 10 years?

Concerning job hopping, I wouldn't be worried about once. Make a pattern of it, now I start to wonder. Are you working toward your dream job? (For example moving from web design to advertising or from design to management.) If you can explain it with anything other than a raise, you'll be okay.

What's the upward mobility of each position? Can you get where you want to go from where you are? Sometimes you have to "pay the dues". Sometimes you have to jump ship.

Got a hobby you can monetize? Does your current work/life balance allow for a side hustle that you wouldn't be able to do at the other job? Frankly, I can live with my "job" because my side hustle keeps me sane!

 

[iluvmacs99]

I like my current employer. I am in the design field, and my boss and team are absolutely great. I've only worked here three months. The only problem is... I'm not getting paid much. I'm 26 and really want to start saving but it's not that easy to do with what I'm getting paid.

My friend just recommended me to a job that will pay significantly more.


I am just worried about:

1. Burning a bridge with my current employer, as I really, really like my boss and we work closely with one another.

2. Having a resume of a "job" hopper.



How should I navigate this?

There is an old saying that it's not what you make, but it is what you can keep. If you feel you are not able to save, then evaluate your expenses and determine which are those are the needs versus wants that you are spending on. Granted that you are 26 years old and you have many decades ahead of you before retirement and that you want to enjoy life while you are young. I did when I was at your age, but when I was at your age I had the foresight to live below my means. Most of my friends who lived beyond their means and made more money than me 30 years ago all faced financial problems today -- foreclosures, bankruptcy and insolvencies. Just because you make lots of money does not mean you are guaranteed to retire comfortably. Life is like a box of chocolates -- you never know what you're going to get.

But let me share my life story and hopefully some of this can relate to your situation.

35 years ago, I studied computer science in the hopes of landing a high paying job and back then in the 80s, it was a hot career. Still is today with tech. Anyhow, when I graduated with top honors, I landed my dream job with Xerox only to be laid off 6 months later during the 80s stock market crash and the ensuing recession. It was a nasty recession where most tech companies weren't hiring, so I was depressed and anxious because I needed to pay off some bills, but luckily I was still living with my parents. Anyhow, I found a tech job working for a Japanese camera maker and they were looking for a hybrid camera tech/computer tech but the pay was crap. I took it because it was the only offer I got and it was a job and thought that I'll work here and job hop to a computer tech company once the economy recovers. Well this company was different than Xerox. They are more friendly and family like than the corporate structure where it's like dog eat dog, survival of the fittest. The company I worked for was owned by a nice Japanese family and they are focused on keeping every employee like a family member. Even when I was in Japan training, we eat in the same hall (engineers, supervisors, floor workers etc.). The only distinction between us were that upper management wore suits and tie and floor workers wear uniforms of their division. Anyhow, I really liked working there, so I made do with what I got. I lived a frugal lifestyle and yes, while I did lose a number of high school and college friends because they are maintaining a higher lifestyle, I met new friends who live within the same means as me. I travelled all over the place and learned how to travel cheaply. Being frugal does not mean you need to be poor. On the contrary; living frugal means understanding the difference between your needs and your wants. It brings you into that frame of reality really quick when you don't have much money. When the tech industry recovered, some of my friends urged me to return to tech and one actually invited to work in I.T. I actually did go to the interview and almost got the job and they were paying heck of a lot more than I was making with this family owned company. But I balked when I found out their corporate culture is dog eat dog, survival of the fittest and it seemed that if I am paid this much, I am expected to also sell my soul for that sum of money. They also don't want me to think as an individual; be a corporate drone. So I basically sabotaged the interview and lost my opportunity to work for them. Anyhow after a decade working with this family owned company, I managed to work my way up to service manager and was making a very good living and I saved a lot because while I was making more, my expenses were still at the same level as I was making the low wages. When the family business was sold to the bigger company, I left the company with sadness and joined a different company in the same camera industry. It was with luck that it was the birth of the digital camera age and this company had products developed for the digital age and were selling for a lot of money. Back then, they didn't have websites like Dpreview or people like Thom Hogan with photographic and computer skills. I had both, so I capitalized this opportunity and negotiated my salary. Before I left this last company, I made a good sized 6 figure salary with bonuses. That's from someone who started with $4.25/hr in the 80s. Again, with my frugal expenses, I was able to early semi-retire in my late 40s, because I got so tired with this corporate BS and dog eat dog, because that's what you will get when you get paid that much to take this garbage. Being able to be Finally Independent Retire Early (FIRE), I was able to fulfill some of childhood dreams like being a nurse, a male nurse and I did that. Now I'm planning to work on boats. My motto is "I work to live". I am living a life that I always wanted and having money allowed me to make those choices. People confuse having lots of money with buying lots of things, a big house and a nice car. But these things own you and your life. When I was working in geriatrics nursing taking care of seniors, they all have one common regret. They regret not being able to live their life to the fullest. They didn't have the time and energy to fulfill some of their dreams, because they were too busy to try to keep up with the joneses and neglected their own life! Don't waste your life and be a slave to money. Let the money be the slave to your joyful life and ignore what others try to tell you how to live your own life. You are the creator of your own destiny and never let anyone tell you otherwise.

In regards to job hopping and what it will do with your resume and job prospects. Here's my thoughts. Job hopping is NOT a problem. If a new prospective employer sees job hopping a problem, it is because they themselves are having employees retention problem. Employees are leaving because the company isn't taking care of them, but these corporate jarheads delusion mind thought it isn't the company that's the problem but it's the people who works for them. People job hop for a reason. Reasons are mainly not recognizing the person's innate creative talent and his or her value contribution to the company. Their focus is on corporate profits and treating you as a tool to add to those profits. You don't perform; well then you're out. When in fact, what makes a company profitable is the value contribution from their employees. Just take Steve Jobs for example. If Atari was to take all of Steve Jobs ideas and made in into reality, then we would have an Atari Pro, Atari Book, Atari Mini and the Atari Watch. Instead, Atari laughed at Steve and he then went to form with his buddy Apple Inc and now, Atari is no more.

Hope this helps.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

There is an old saying that it's not what you make, but it is what you can keep. If you feel you are not able to save, then evaluate your expenses and determine which are those are the needs versus wants that you are spending on. Granted that you are 26 years old and you have many decades ahead of you before retirement and that you want to enjoy life while you are young. I did when I was at your age, but when I was at your age I had the foresight to live below my means. Most of my friends who lived beyond their means and made more money than me 30 years ago all faced financial problems today -- foreclosures, bankruptcy and insolvencies. Just because you make lots of money does not mean you are guaranteed to retire comfortably. Life is like a box of chocolates -- you never know what you're going to get.

But let me share my life story and hopefully some of this can relate to your situation.

35 years ago, I studied computer science in the hopes of landing a high paying job and back then in the 80s, it was a hot career. Still is today with tech. Anyhow, when I graduated with top honors, I landed my dream job with Xerox only to be laid off 6 months later during the 80s stock market crash and the ensuing recession. It was a nasty recession where most tech companies weren't hiring, so I was depressed and anxious because I needed to pay off some bills, but luckily I was still living with my parents. Anyhow, I found a tech job working for a Japanese camera maker and they were looking for a hybrid camera tech/computer tech but the pay was crap. I took it because it was the only offer I got and it was a job and thought that I'll work here and job hop to a computer tech company once the economy recovers. Well this company was different than Xerox. They are more friendly and family like than the corporate structure where it's like dog eat dog, survival of the fittest. The company I worked for was owned by a nice Japanese family and they are focused on keeping every employee like a family member. Even when I was in Japan training, we eat in the same hall (engineers, supervisors, floor workers etc.). The only distinction between us were that upper management wore suits and tie and floor workers wear uniforms of their division. Anyhow, I really liked working there, so I made do with what I got. I lived a frugal lifestyle and yes, while I did lose a number of high school and college friends because they are maintaining a higher lifestyle, I met new friends who live within the same means as me. I travelled all over the place and learned how to travel cheaply. Being frugal does not mean you need to be poor. On the contrary; living frugal means understanding the difference between your needs and your wants. It brings you into that frame of reality really quick when you don't have much money. When the tech industry recovered, some of my friends urged me to return to tech and one actually invited to work in I.T. I actually did go to the interview and almost got the job and they were paying heck of a lot more than I was making with this family owned company. But I balked when I found out their corporate culture is dog eat dog, survival of the fittest and it seemed that if I am paid this much, I am expected to also sell my soul for that sum of money. They also don't want me to think as an individual; be a corporate drone. So I basically sabotaged the interview and lost my opportunity to work for them. Anyhow after a decade working with this family owned company, I managed to work my way up to service manager and was making a very good living and I saved a lot because while I was making more, my expenses were still at the same level as I was making the low wages. When the family business was sold to the bigger company, I left the company with sadness and joined a different company in the same camera industry. It was with luck that it was the birth of the digital camera age and this company had products developed for the digital age and were selling for a lot of money. Back then, they didn't have websites like Dpreview or people like Thom Hogan with photographic and computer skills. I had both, so I capitalized this opportunity and negotiated my salary. Before I left this last company, I made a good sized 6 figure salary with bonuses. That's from someone who started with $4.25/hr in the 80s. Again, with my frugal expenses, I was able to early semi-retire in my late 40s, because I got so tired with this corporate BS and dog eat dog, because that's what you will get when you get paid that much to take this garbage. Being able to be Finally Independent Retire Early (FIRE), I was able to fulfill some of childhood dreams like being a nurse, a male nurse and I did that. Now I'm planning to work on boats. My motto is "I work to live". I am living a life that I always wanted and having money allowed me to make those choices. People confuse having lots of money with buying lots of things, a big house and a nice car. But these things own you and your life. When I was working in geriatrics nursing taking care of seniors, they all have one common regret. They regret not being able to live their life to the fullest. They didn't have the time and energy to fulfill some of their dreams, because they were too busy to try to keep with the joneses and neglected their own life! Don't waste your life and be a slave to money. Let the money be the slave to your joyful life and ignore what others try to tell you how to live your own life. You are the creator of your own destiny and never let anyone tell you otherwise.

Hope this helps.

Great post, and one that amply repays being read slowly.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[yaxomoxay]

There is an old saying that it's not what you make, but it is what you can keep. If you feel you are not able to save, then evaluate your expenses and determine which are those are the needs versus wants that you are spending on. Granted that you are 26 years old and you have many decades ahead of you before retirement and that you want to enjoy life while you are young. I did when I was at your age, but when I was at your age I had the foresight to live below my means. Most of my friends who lived beyond their means and made more money than me 30 years ago all faced financial problems today -- foreclosures, bankruptcy and insolvencies. Just because you make lots of money does not mean you are guaranteed to retire comfortably. Life is like a box of chocolates -- you never know what you're going to get.

But let me share my life story and hopefully some of this can relate to your situation.

35 years ago, I studied computer science in the hopes of landing a high paying job and back then in the 80s, it was a hot career. Still is today with tech. Anyhow, when I graduated with top honors, I landed my dream job with Xerox only to be laid off 6 months later during the 80s stock market crash and the ensuing recession. It was a nasty recession where most tech companies weren't hiring, so I was depressed and anxious because I needed to pay off some bills, but luckily I was still living with my parents. Anyhow, I found a tech job working for a Japanese camera maker and they were looking for a hybrid camera tech/computer tech but the pay was crap. I took it because it was the only offer I got and it was a job and thought that I'll work here and job hop to a computer tech company once the economy recovers. Well this company was different than Xerox. They are more friendly and family like than the corporate structure where it's like dog eat dog, survival of the fittest. The company I worked for was owned by a nice Japanese family and they are focused on keeping every employee like a family member. Even when I was in Japan training, we eat in the same hall (engineers, supervisors, floor workers etc.). The only distinction between us were that upper management wore suits and tie and floor workers wear uniforms of their division. Anyhow, I really liked working there, so I made do with what I got. I lived a frugal lifestyle and yes, while I did lose a number of high school and college friends because they are maintaining a higher lifestyle, I met new friends who live within the same means as me. I travelled all over the place and learned how to travel cheaply. Being frugal does not mean you need to be poor. On the contrary; living frugal means understanding the difference between your needs and your wants. It brings you into that frame of reality really quick when you don't have much money. When the tech industry recovered, some of my friends urged me to return to tech and one actually invited to work in I.T. I actually did go to the interview and almost got the job and they were paying heck of a lot more than I was making with this family owned company. But I balked when I found out their corporate culture is dog eat dog, survival of the fittest and it seemed that if I am paid this much, I am expected to also sell my soul for that sum of money. They also don't want me to think as an individual; be a corporate drone. So I basically sabotaged the interview and lost my opportunity to work for them. Anyhow after a decade working with this family owned company, I managed to work my way up to service manager and was making a very good living and I saved a lot because while I was making more, my expenses were still at the same level as I was making the low wages. When the family business was sold to the bigger company, I left the company with sadness and joined a different company in the same camera industry. It was with luck that it was the birth of the digital camera age and this company had products developed for the digital age and were selling for a lot of money. Back then, they didn't have websites like Dpreview or people like Thom Hogan with photographic and computer skills. I had both, so I capitalized this opportunity and negotiated my salary. Before I left this last company, I made a good sized 6 figure salary with bonuses. That's from someone who started with $4.25/hr in the 80s. Again, with my frugal expenses, I was able to early semi-retire in my late 40s, because I got so tired with this corporate BS and dog eat dog, because that's what you will get when you get paid that much to take this garbage. Being able to be Finally Independent Retire Early (FIRE), I was able to fulfill some of childhood dreams like being a nurse, a male nurse and I did that. Now I'm planning to work on boats. My motto is "I work to live". I am living a life that I always wanted and having money allowed me to make those choices. People confuse having lots of money with buying lots of things, a big house and a nice car. But these things own you and your life. When I was working in geriatrics nursing taking care of seniors, they all have one common regret. They regret not being able to live their life to the fullest. They didn't have the time and energy to fulfill some of their dreams, because they were too busy to try to keep up with the joneses and neglected their own life! Don't waste your life and be a slave to money. Let the money be the slave to your joyful life and ignore what others try to tell you how to live your own life. You are the creator of your own destiny and never let anyone tell you otherwise.

In regards to job hopping and what it will do with your resume and job prospects. Here's my thoughts. Job hopping is NOT a problem. If a new prospective employer sees job hopping a problem, it is because they themselves are having employees retention problem. Employees are leaving because the company isn't taking care of them, but these corporate jarheads delusion mind thought it isn't the company that's the problem but it's the people who works for them. People job hop for a reason. Reasons are mainly not recognizing the person's innate creative talent and his or her value contribution to the company. Their focus is on corporate profits and treating you as a tool to add to those profits. You don't perform; well then you're out. When in fact, what makes a company profitable is the value contribution from their employees. Just take Steve Jobs for example. If Atari was to take all of Steve Jobs ideas and made in into reality, then we would have an Atari Pro, Atari Book, Atari Mini and the Atari Watch. Instead, Atari laughed at Steve and he then went to form with his buddy Apple Inc and now, Atari is no more.

Hope this helps.

Wow, great post!