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After couple years using a Qnap NAS I'm seriously considering to replace it with a cheap mac. Primarily this is because my Qnap keeps running into some sort of bug nobody could help me fix, where it would go into some kind of low power mode that limits transfer speed to like 300kb yes lower case b, and you need to open the web UI or reboot the NAS to kick it back into normal speed. And I just think I would not buy another NAS that could potentially have this kind of bug that never gets addressed.

But other than that, I just find how mainstream NAS products are absurdly catered toward enterprise and super nerds, which are not only of no use to me, they can often be annoying. For example NAS nerds love weird disk formats, they want stuff like zfs which I don't understand why but it probably has something to do with snapshots. And I just don't understand why regular home users should care about that stuff, you could just ignore it of course, but the issue is any disk you used in the system is now in some strange file format that can't be read by a normal computer/pc. So yes while in theory because of your super nerdy RAID array, should a drive fail you can just swap in a new one, rebuilt the array and book your data is all back. In actual practice, that doesn't ever happen, what really would help me, is if my NAS died, I have a way to get the data from those disks, without having to purchase a new NAS!

Speaking of RAIDs, I'm so done with that stuff, because disks simply don't fail from my experience. I've had computers for 20years+ and I literally have never had a drive fail, but I have already had one Qnap NAS fail in just 5 years. I've had SSDs already at 0% health running for years and still did not lose any data. I don't just yolo it of course I run periodic backups, I just don't see the point of an RAID array that is essentially constantly fail-safe with your most up to date changes. That RAID array does however have a cost as previously mentioned, but also, you need to sink a big one-time cost into many number of drives at the same size, which can't be upgraded unless you replace the whole array.

I just feel like running a NAS today is like daily driving an APC, yea theoretically you are bullet proof, but who's ever going to shoot at your on the street? However if your APC breaks down on the road nobody can help you, and you are constantly driving much slower than everyone else, having all kinds of troubles for that completely pointless overkill protection.

Just did some test runs with my Macbook pro and everything seem to work great, I can easily max out 1gbe speeds on my 1gbe tb4 hub while transferring to windows PC. It only goes around 7MB/s for iPhone but who knows maybe there's some wi-fi limitation, still perfectly good enough for any reasonable video streaming. Dedicated NAS products are supposed to be optimized for that task alone but at this point the difference in performance and efficiency is simply too great, when a Mac is 10x faster and also lower power at the same price point, I'd rather get a mac and run remote desktop on it, rather than what is theoretically much less resource intensive webUI on a Qnap/Synology.

The only potential issue I'm seeing is the cost of drive enclosures, a thunderbolt quad NVME enclosure can be pricy but I think full speed is totally unnecessary for a NAS considering the ethernet speed limit, you can get a quad NVME dock at 10gb speed for like $50 which is certainly fast enough. However I'm just not so sure of the reliability of it since nvme drives essentially have their own SOC, plus the chip on the dock, there's so many interaction going on between big chips with complex firmware who knows where there might be a bug or incompatibility?
 
Replacing your NAS with a Mac mini is certainly doable and for some, might be much more practical depending on the amount of storage needed.

One thing to consider is NAS drives are designed and built for the purpose of running and being under load etc. 24/7, whereas external computer drives and enclosures are not. That is not to say that said drives can’t or shouldn’t be run 24/7 but, one needs to take in consideration that the risk of failure is present.

If you don’t need a lot of TB’s for your needs, keep in mind you still need to buy several for backup purposes. I would have multiple backup sources of important files.

When I first started my server, I used a Mac mini. I found that I needed way too many external drives and it was no longer practical not to mention the server often would be inaccessible if there was a Mac glitch, reboot, or doing other work on the Mac. That is why I went with a Synology NAS and it has worked much better.

A NAS isn’t for everyone and it sounds like you fall into that category.
 
Replacing your NAS with a Mac mini is certainly doable and for some, might be much more practical depending on the amount of storage needed.

One thing to consider is NAS drives are designed and built for the purpose of running and being under load etc. 24/7, whereas external computer drives and enclosures are not. That is not to say that said drives can’t or shouldn’t be run 24/7 but, one needs to take in consideration that the risk of failure is present.

If you don’t need a lot of TB’s for your needs, keep in mind you still need to buy several for backup purposes. I would have multiple backup sources of important files.

When I first started my server, I used a Mac mini. I found that I needed way too many external drives and it was no longer practical not to mention the server often would be inaccessible if there was a Mac glitch, reboot, or doing other work on the Mac. That is why I went with a Synology NAS and it has worked much better.

A NAS isn’t for everyone and it sounds like you fall into that category.
Yea I just realized if your storage requirements greatly exceeds one drive, then you have to use a RAID array and that would make more sense with a dedicated NAS.
Whereas I can fit everything I want in one or two drives so there's no need for me to do RAID.

BTW I just picked up a used M1 mini and set it up, despite running on 1gbe it still feels faster more responsive than my Qnap NAS running on 2.5gbe. the NAS still has higher transfer speed obviously but it just feels slower when trying to access something, the speed takes a second to build up.

I think I'm just gonna sell the NAS, I don't want any of these 3.5" bays all I want is a super low power file server with fast file access and can run torrents.
 
I used a Mac mini as a NAS for over 10 years (on my 3rd mini now) I have a OWC Thunderbay 4 as my storage device. I would also recommend using NAS drives in you storage setup. I don't use RAID but I have my main storage drive set to backup to a second drive every night with CCC.
 
Yea I just realized if your storage requirements greatly exceeds one drive, then you have to use a RAID array and that would make more sense with a dedicated NAS.
Whereas I can fit everything I want in one or two drives so there's no need for me to do RAID.

BTW I just picked up a used M1 mini and set it up, despite running on 1gbe it still feels faster more responsive than my Qnap NAS running on 2.5gbe. the NAS still has higher transfer speed obviously but it just feels slower when trying to access something, the speed takes a second to build up.

I think I'm just gonna sell the NAS, I don't want any of these 3.5" bays all I want is a super low power file server with fast file access and can run torrents.
Slightly off topic but I too recently picked up a used mac mini m1 for cheap and man this thing flies in comparison to all of my brand new Surface devices! Never thought about using it for storge but it seems like it wouldnt be a bad idea at all.
 
I also use a Mac mini (late 2018) with a Thunderbay 4 which I have configured RAID 5 using SoftRAID for my "NAS". I back up the RAID array to another disk. And, then back-up offsite. This set-up works well. Delighted I did not purchase a Synology or other like product.
 
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I didn't buy an old M1 mini to use as a NAS but as a "Wireless Time Machine" for my main laptop. It was a chore to have to plug in the Time Machine drive before because I am mostly away from my desk.

With a M1 mini into the mix, I hooked up an external drive to the mini "Server", asked Time Machine on my laptop to back up to the network drive and now I enjoy Wireless Time Machine backups. I should have done this years ago, it is really seamless (first back up was done with direct Thunderbolt connection between the two Macs)

Now I have the mini to play with it and figure out what else I can do with it except wireless time machine backups.
 
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I used a Mac mini as a NAS for over 10 years (on my 3rd mini now) I have a OWC Thunderbay 4 as my storage device. I would also recommend using NAS drives in you storage setup. I don't use RAID but I have my main storage drive set to backup to a second drive every night with CCC.
I was considering an OWC Thunderbay but I’m hearing QC at OWC has gone downhill since they were acquired.
 
A QNAP NAS might not be your thing. What made you go for that?

Also, the network issue - it's not necessarily a QNAP problem. I've had far more networking issues with Macs which disagree with certain AP's, switches, and NAS's that work perfectly well with anything industry standard.

You could absolutely turn a base Mini into a comparatively expensive and more versatile NAS - I'm moving in this direction but using the NAS's I have as storage - but if all you need it to do is serve files most of the time it will be overkill.

Finally, being typically Apple-user ignorant and pinning that on the gear like a karen "because it's for nerds" is not OK.
 
After couple years using a Qnap NAS I'm seriously considering to replace it with a cheap mac. Primarily this is because my Qnap keeps running into some sort of bug nobody could help me fix, where it would go into s
OK, so you do not understand the technology and want something familiar. You can do that, but you are on your own and will need to build a system from the ground up using various parts. Your first problem will be finding an enclosure that holds multiple disks and allows you to hot swap them. You will need setup a software RAID and so on and so on.

BTW, The "ZFS" is a file system just like APFS. ZFS and APFS share some features but ZFS was designed to handle the case where multiple disks are combined into one volume. ZFS is also much better about data integrity.

A Mac Mini, especially if you buy the 10GBE high speed networking option for only $100 would be a great server but it costs more then the Synology and that is BEFORE you spend another $500 of the hot-swap drive enclosure

Synology makes some thing very easy that would be hard to do on a Mac. Like for example making the file accessible to your phone when you are away from home. encryption and certificates are very confusing to many people but Synology makes it just "point and click" in a web-based interface. But on the other hand if all you need to do is share a few files between two computers at home a NAS is overkill
 
by whom? I was under the impression they were still under the original founder.
Actually it was OWC who acquired a few companies in 2022 and 2023 (Akito, SellYourMac.com, MediaFour, and DeltaWind). They're definitely still owned/run by the original CEO/founder, last I checked.

I think what harriska2 might be alluding to is (lately) the customer service/support from OWC seems to have gone downhill. I haven't really had any issues with them or their products recently, but I've mainly dealt with 3rd party vendors. The products seem fine, so far. I vaguely remember seeing what seemed like an increase of complaints on some outlet (forums, reddit, etc.), but nothing that can be referenced and substantiated easily. Could also just be a bad employee, a CS training issue, or growing pains.
 
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