Should I sell my 2019 and buy a new one?

[shamguy4]

Hello.
I normally sell my MacBook every two years and purchased the latest one. I have a 20019 16” MacBook Pro.

I’m a front end developer and I’ve been eyeing the new 16” MacBook Pro. Part of me feels like I should try this one in and buy the new one before my old one is worth less and less.

But I really don’t need it… I just want it.
Although the longer I wait the more expensive a new one will be for me.

I also have another 2019 MacBook Pro from my work and I have to use that one for work. It’s locked down and annoying. So my personal one currently isn’t doing as much hard work although I use it every day. I’ve never thought of getting anything below a MacBook Pro before… I always get a pro because I do personal work on it. sometimes I develop websites and then occasionally I’ll make a family video and I use Photoshop and screenflow, for personal projects.

Thoughts?

 

[Technerd108]

The new MBP 14" and 16" are some of the best Mac laptops they have ever made and worth an upgrade in my opinion.

However it really depends on what you need. The new MB air with an M2 is just around the corner and might be enough power for you. Also since your MBP is still relatively new I might wait for the next gen of MBP 14" or 16" with an M2 Pro/Max processor. You have the option to wait or buy now.

The screen, battery life, processor and redesign with more ports all would be enough for me to upgrade (and I did,lol) but if I were you I might wait a few months just to see what is going to be released down the road.

As for selling your Mac to recoup some expense you are right the longer you keep the Intel model the more it will depreciate. Now would be an ideal time to sell it as there is still a market for Intel based Macs but in a year or so the demand will be a LOT less and the value of your Mac as well.

 

[AustinIllini]

Last posted summed it up well. If you want it and can afford it, go ahead and buy it. In fact, it's probably best to sell the Intel while it still has value.

 

[Alex W.]

All fanboy-ism aside.

I DONT think its worth it.

Firstly, these are not the best laptops ever made; they have issues and quirks.
Let me give you a basic example, using apples m1s when I want to format a USB to NTFS or fat I have to install a utility that's paid lol, ridiculous in 2022 since NTFS is standard in so so many devices and systems; but when I want to error check it, or repair a usb device that's ntfs in osx, you cannot do this with any tool. Error checking and repairing a usb is common and everyone will run into it; Mac osx cannot do this with NTFS / FAT 32. Kinda a joke but it shows you that osx lacks heavily in modernized feature set.

A windows device is needed commonly in todays world, and anyone who says otherwise uses VMs or some alternative workaround. There are endless cases with windows where from engineering software, to even paint.net might need to be used over a Mac. What is the result? a VM runs like **** and has endless issues with security etc that may not let it run. It complicates everything.

Having a bootable windows Mac is probably the last great Mac device until they add ARM bootcamp, which apple will have to do eventually because OSX is quite outdated and stale from an OS pov it hasn't changed much since 2011 to be quite frank; apple is losing a lot of professional tier customers with the new Macs, because their not professional devices anymore -- their consumer products.

This is the hard reality with the new Macs, is they do less than before. Its a downgrade in this regard and eventually you will find a dead end and limitation with them; the workaround will be a massive headache that you'll grab the nearest windows device to quickly solve it then shake your head at the 4,000 dollar device.

Apple does hardware great, but their software is pretty ****.
Let face it a 16" Mac is usually used near power, so that defeats the battery life gains.
Fan noise is minor, I run my 16" on low power mode and never hear the fan anymore.

But honestly, ive used M1 max and 2019 intel.
My personal opinion from a professional engineer and business owner is the windows bootcamp is priceless to have, ive ran into endless situations where its needed, from IT, design, Engineering, general USB device, general and common software.

Keep the 2019 MacBook, buy yourself a m1 air and you'll get superior battery life to even the 2021 m1 pro 16", but still have the ability and best of both worlds.


Otherwise, it might be worth holding off and waiting for competitors to release new AMD/Intel chips in windows devices that have low power and high power cores. Because the biggest issue with Macs is their software of the OS is neglected, and developed at a snails pace vs linux / windows. OSX has not changed much since 2011. The new intel/amd chips are designed to compete with Macs; and if they do it might be a superior upgrade.

Right now products are at all time high prices, supply is low so waiting could be the best thing to do.

I'm a Mac user, windows user and all my desktops and pcs in my house are 5 iMacs, 2 MacBooks, 1 windows.
This is just the simple reality of this, and im being as honest towards windows and Mac that I can be.

I personally know a number of apple engineers and constantly discuss these issues with them.

 

[mr_roboto]

All fanboy-ism aside.

I DONT think its worth it.

Firstly, these are not the best laptops ever made; they have issues and quirks.
Let me give you a basic example, using apples m1s when I want to format a USB to NTFS or fat I have to install a utility that's paid lol, ridiculous in 2022 since NTFS is standard in so so many devices and systems; but when I want to error check it, or repair a usb device that's ntfs in osx, you cannot do this with any tool. Error checking and repairing a usb is common and everyone will run into it; Mac osx cannot do this with NTFS / FAT 32. Kinda a joke but it shows you that osx lacks heavily in modernized feature set.

This is a terrible response to the OP's question because it is not an issue or quirk with the hardware they're interested in in upgrading to.

Worse than that, it's just fanboyism of a different stripe. NTFS is not in any sense a "standard", it's Microsoft's proprietary filesystem for Windows. Microsoft does not publish documentation of the NTFS on-disk format, the algorithms one should use to read or write it, or what should be checked and repaired by a file system checker tool. Nearly all non-Windows implementations of NTFS are based on reverse engineering. Apple does ship a reverse engineered NTFS driver with macOS, but it's read-only as it's much easier (and safer for end users' data) to only implement read support.

A windows device is needed commonly in todays world, and anyone who says otherwise uses VMs or some alternative workaround. There are endless cases with windows where from engineering software, to even paint.net might need to be used over a Mac. What is the result? a VM runs like **** and has endless issues with security etc that may not let it run. It complicates everything.

This is also a terrible response as you don't even know if the OP needs Windows.

Having a bootable windows Mac is probably the last great Mac device until they add ARM bootcamp, which apple will have to do eventually because OSX is quite outdated and stale from an OS pov it hasn't changed much since 2011 to be quite frank; apple is losing a lot of professional tier customers with the new Macs, because their not professional devices anymore -- their consumer products.

Nobody who has used OS X as their primary OS from 2011 to present can seriously claim that not much has changed. As for needing to add ARM bootcamp, what planet are you on? Apple's been selling record numbers of Macs recently thanks to the popularity of M1, and they haven't needed Arm Windows bootcamp to do it. Sorry fanboy, not everyone thinks Windows is so compelling they can't use a computer which doesn't have it.

I'm a Mac user, windows user and all my desktops and pcs in my house are 5 iMacs, 2 MacBooks, 1 windows.
This is just the simple reality of this, and im being as honest towards windows and Mac that I can be.

I personally know a number of apple engineers and constantly discuss these issues with them.

Sure you do bud, I totally believe you!

Everything you wrote can be summarized as: "It's not Windows OMG why would you buy it!!!!!" Not a very useful post. One might even call it a troll, but you have to be careful about calling trolls out around here for reasons which are unclear.

 

[Afterthecalm]

I also decided last minute that I would like to trade my 2019 16" MBP i9 for the M1 Pro 16" MBP while value is where it's at. As of today they are offering me $1350 for my laptop which means I only have to cover the other $1350 for the M1 Pro. My laptop is fine, except for the massive heat issues even in standby mode. I currently run Lightroom, Photoshop, Logic and FCP, so I feel this is a no brainer.

 

[macacam]

If all your software is available or works fine under r2 I'd go for it, but if you find enough of your software isn't available or has any caveat that makes it less than optimal I'd wait. I am gonna buy a mini pro or whatever it's called just because I want one and wait and see if the software catches up for work. I was in pure 3d land and the interest in macs has been nose diving since the trash can debacle. Hopefully something changes in that sphere and more software companies reverse course on development. Now that I somehow found myself in fashion design, it's a more mac friendly sphere....except for the one piece of software that pays most of my bills right now. Super frustrating.

 

[Alex W.]

As you can see OP, just like most forums where people lash out and attack different opinions that don't line up with theirs; just make your own decision.

I provided you a honest answer to all of this, and provided you a overview to keep in mind. Disregard personal attacks and follow what makes the most sense for you.

 

[conmee]

OP, If you can afford it, I’d keep your current MBP and also buy a new one. I’m keeping my 2019 to have ready access to Bootcamp and Windows VMs just in case I need those, and by “need” I mean I occasionally fire up an old DOS or WinXP game or who doesn’t like to have an OS/2 VM on hand lol (note: I do have a small collection of old school computers going back to the Macintosh SE and TI-99/4a, so I like to revisit old tech for fun).

Heating and battery-eating issues aside, I likely wouldn’t have jumped over to the Apple platform in 2009 if it didn’t offer Intel compatibility. I had just quit my Microsoft job and wanted to leave it all behind and Apple made it easy to leave lol. So I grabbed a MBP and an iPhone 3GS and never looked back.

Now that Apple is moving on, I can either go back to the PC or march on with Apple. I just don’t see myself going back to the Windows/PC world. Despite some other comments in this thread about OS X/macOS being stagnant I’m not sure that’s the case. Yes, perhaps some things stay the same overly long, but in the past 12 years that I’ve been using Macs, Apple introduced a new APFS file system, went 64-bit exclusive, strengthened an already pretty secure OS, incorporated better cloud integration (I still have mac.com and me.com emails so I survived MobileMe), and incorporated a lot of iDevice integrations including Messages/synching between my desktop and phone which I would prefer not to live without.

So my advice is to hold onto your Intel MBP. It may not become a collectors item, but it will bring back lots of memories and run some legacy software that your M10 Pro Max MBP in 2032 won’t be able to run (or who knows, maybe Apple silicon will be so fast in 2032 that running an Intel emulator is no biggie and back to having the best of both worlds again).

As Yogi Bera once said, when you come to a fork in the road… take it (keep em’ both lol)!

 

[Makisupa Policeman]

I had the 2016 16” and I found it very disappointing. Get an M1 Pro/Max

 

[raknor]

All fanboy-ism aside.

I DONT think its worth it.

Firstly, these are not the best laptops ever made; they have issues and quirks.
Let me give you a basic example, using apples m1s when I want to format a USB to NTFS or fat I have to install a utility that's paid lol, ridiculous in 2022 since NTFS is standard in so so many devices and systems; but when I want to error check it, or repair a usb device that's ntfs in osx, you cannot do this with any tool. Error checking and repairing a usb is common and everyone will run into it; Mac osx cannot do this with NTFS / FAT 32. Kinda a joke but it shows you that osx lacks heavily in modernized feature set.

A windows device is needed commonly in todays world, and anyone who says otherwise uses VMs or some alternative workaround. There are endless cases with windows where from engineering software, to even paint.net might need to be used over a Mac. What is the result? a VM runs like **** and has endless issues with security etc that may not let it run. It complicates everything.

Having a bootable windows Mac is probably the last great Mac device until they add ARM bootcamp, which apple will have to do eventually because OSX is quite outdated and stale from an OS pov it hasn't changed much since 2011 to be quite frank; apple is losing a lot of professional tier customers with the new Macs, because their not professional devices anymore -- their consumer products.

This is the hard reality with the new Macs, is they do less than before. Its a downgrade in this regard and eventually you will find a dead end and limitation with them; the workaround will be a massive headache that you'll grab the nearest windows device to quickly solve it then shake your head at the 4,000 dollar device.

Apple does hardware great, but their software is pretty ****.
Let face it a 16" Mac is usually used near power, so that defeats the battery life gains.
Fan noise is minor, I run my 16" on low power mode and never hear the fan anymore.

But honestly, ive used M1 max and 2019 intel.
My personal opinion from a professional engineer and business owner is the windows bootcamp is priceless to have, ive ran into endless situations where its needed, from IT, design, Engineering, general USB device, general and common software.

Keep the 2019 MacBook, buy yourself a m1 air and you'll get superior battery life to even the 2021 m1 pro 16", but still have the ability and best of both worlds.


Otherwise, it might be worth holding off and waiting for competitors to release new AMD/Intel chips in windows devices that have low power and high power cores. Because the biggest issue with Macs is their software of the OS is neglected, and developed at a snails pace vs linux / windows. OSX has not changed much since 2011. The new intel/amd chips are designed to compete with Macs; and if they do it might be a superior upgrade.

Right now products are at all time high prices, supply is low so waiting could be the best thing to do.

I'm a Mac user, windows user and all my desktops and pcs in my house are 5 iMacs, 2 MacBooks, 1 windows.
This is just the simple reality of this, and im being as honest towards windows and Mac that I can be.

I personally know a number of apple engineers and constantly discuss these issues with them.

Claims to put fanboyism aside yet replies like one! Lots of words to say almost nothing that was asked.

 

[Makisupa Policeman]

I had the 2016 16” and I found it very disappointing. Get an M1 Pro/Max

Sorry 2019* not 2016

 

[Ethosik]

This is a terrible response to the OP's question because it is not an issue or quirk with the hardware they're interested in in upgrading to.

Worse than that, it's just fanboyism of a different stripe. NTFS is not in any sense a "standard", it's Microsoft's proprietary filesystem for Windows. Microsoft does not publish documentation of the NTFS on-disk format, the algorithms one should use to read or write it, or what should be checked and repaired by a file system checker tool. Nearly all non-Windows implementations of NTFS are based on reverse engineering. Apple does ship a reverse engineered NTFS driver with macOS, but it's read-only as it's much easier (and safer for end users' data) to only implement read support.


This is also a terrible response as you don't even know if the OP needs Windows.


Nobody who has used OS X as their primary OS from 2011 to present can seriously claim that not much has changed. As for needing to add ARM bootcamp, what planet are you on? Apple's been selling record numbers of Macs recently thanks to the popularity of M1, and they haven't needed Arm Windows bootcamp to do it. Sorry fanboy, not everyone thinks Windows is so compelling they can't use a computer which doesn't have it.


Sure you do bud, I totally believe you!

Everything you wrote can be summarized as: "It's not Windows OMG why would you buy it!!!!!" Not a very useful post. One might even call it a troll, but you have to be careful about calling trolls out around here for reasons which are unclear.

Agreed! Use ExFat if you need to communicate between Windows and macOS. I use this for an external NVME 2TB SSD and it works great. Speeds are great and it is a great experience.

 

[Ethosik]

I will echo what some has said that I am very impressed with the new hardware. I can't speak to the development side of things, I do my development on Windows .NET code bases so I don't develop on macOS. But these systems are finally.....FINALLY a major step up from my 2010 Mac Pro from a video editing perspective since there are dedicated encoders/decoders. Not even my 2019 i9 iMac was able to beat my 2010 Mac Pro in terms of export timings. But these new laptops simply blow them out of the water.

 

[ggibson913]

If it helps your decision I traded in my 2020 13 inch MacBook Pro while it still had some value and purchased the 16 Inch M1 Pro this past weekend. I am still waiting to see what Tuesday will bring but will likely stick with it for a long time to come.
If you are going to trade yours in, I recommend doing it in an Apple Store, I have heard some shady things though this site about Apple’s mail in trade in partner.

 

[MayaUser]

As you can see OP, just like most forums where people lash out and attack different opinions that don't line up with theirs; just make your own decision.

I provided you a honest answer to all of this, and provided you a overview to keep in mind. Disregard personal attacks and follow what makes the most sense for you.

you provided him not an honest answer, but n windows/amd subjected answear
These 14" and 16" are one of the best on the market , all devices, things in the world are not perfect, even the humans are not perfect

 

[MayaUser]

Hello.
I normally sell my MacBook every two years and purchased the latest one. I have a 20019 16” MacBook Pro.

I’m a front end developer and I’ve been eyeing the new 16” MacBook Pro. Part of me feels like I should try this one in and buy the new one before my old one is worth less and less.

But I really don’t need it… I just want it.
Although the longer I wait the more expensive a new one will be for me.

I also have another 2019 MacBook Pro from my work and I have to use that one for work. It’s locked down and annoying. So my personal one currently isn’t doing as much hard work although I use it every day. I’ve never thought of getting anything below a MacBook Pro before… I always get a pro because I do personal work on it. sometimes I develop websites and then occasionally I’ll make a family video and I use Photoshop and screenflow, for personal projects.

Thoughts?

yes, go ahead....from Intel to M1 pro/max you get for an extra mini weight everything better than intel, raw power, battery life, colder device, better display, better speaker, better connectivity, and for an developer its a dream

 

[Arctic Moose]

Let me give you a basic example, using apples m1s when I want to format a USB to NTFS or fat I have to install a utility that's paid lol, ridiculous in 2022 since NTFS is standard in so so many devices and systems; but when I want to error check it, or repair a usb device that's ntfs in osx, you cannot do this with any tool. Error checking and repairing a usb is common and everyone will run into it; Mac osx cannot do this with NTFS / FAT 32. Kinda a joke but it shows you that osx lacks heavily in modernized feature set.

Setting aside for a moment if it is true that "everyone will run into it" or not, how are the M1 Macs different from Intel Macs in this regard?

A windows device is needed commonly in todays world, and anyone who says otherwise uses VMs or some alternative workaround.

I would say quite the opposite is true. Very few people have any reason to run Windows today.

There are endless cases with windows where from engineering software, to even paint.net might need to be used over a Mac.

Wait, what? Paint.net? This is why you require Windows?

Having a bootable windows Mac is probably the last great Mac device until they add ARM bootcamp, which apple will have to do eventually because OSX is quite outdated and stale from an OS pov it hasn't changed much since 2011 to be quite frank; apple is losing a lot of professional tier customers with the new Macs, because their not professional devices anymore -- their consumer products.

The sales and market share numbers appear to show that quite the opposite is true.

This is the hard reality with the new Macs, is they do less than before. Its a downgrade in this regard and eventually you will find a dead end and limitation with them; the workaround will be a massive headache that you'll grab the nearest windows device to quickly solve it then shake your head at the 4,000 dollar device.

Quite the opposite is true, they do more in practically every single regard, from performance and battery to display and interfaces.

My personal opinion from a professional engineer and business owner is the windows bootcamp is priceless to have, ive ran into endless situations where its needed, from IT, design, Engineering, general USB device, general and common software.

Cool, glad it suits your needs. For practically everyone else, a Windows laptop for a few hundred dollars, or any of the virtual options, is a much better solution.

Otherwise, it might be worth holding off and waiting for competitors to release new AMD/Intel chips in windows devices that have low power and high power cores. Because the biggest issue with Macs is their software of the OS is neglected, and developed at a snails pace vs linux / windows. OSX has not changed much since 2011. The new intel/amd chips are designed to compete with Macs; and if they do it might be a superior upgrade.

The whole point of using a Mac is to NOT have to deal with Windows.

I'm curious, which features and capabilities do you think should have been added since 2011?