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The only launch I've ever attended personally. I was 10 years old.

I do have a series of about 25 pictures that were taken of the launch and explosion from across the lake.

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"Temperature alone wasn't the problem," she said. The engineers "had seen evidence of partial o ring failures before on launch days that were not as cold."

Investigations later determined that the root cause of the accident was a leak in the SRB joint, which had allowed superheated gas to escape and burn through the booster and the external tank, causing structural collapse.

"The post-flight analysis indicated that the cold temperature was certainly a contributing factor. But so was the [SRB] joint's design and [NASA's] decision-making process. It was like a perfect storm of combined circumstances."

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I was in 6th grade, and actually looking forward to our science class that day, after playing with my friends and talking about what happened on the episode of The A-Team the night before (1/28/86 was a Tuesday). Our teacher came in and looking very somber, rolled the portable TV up to the front of the classroom, and did her best to explain the situation to all of us.

Needless to say, I had never seen our entire class well up in tears like that since our teacher a year prior reading us the entire book of Where The Red Fern Grows by Wilson Rawls. None of us could believe it.

I will say that the episode of Punky Brewster that came on that week was probably the most heartwrenching moment of any 80s child's lives at that time. Hard to believe that it was 30 years ago. :(

BL.
 
I watched the launch in person from Orlando, FL when I was in Kindergarten. I keep the mission patch on display at my house now. The crew of Challenger may be gone, but they will never be forgotten. @obeygiant, thank you for the reminder.
 
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I've been a big space fan my entire life and the night before the Challenger explosion I was talking to my manager where I used to work saying that I'll be surprised if they launched the shuttle tomorrow because of cold weather they were having. I had a bad feeling in my gut the whole night about the launch. The next day while in a college accounting class (I think) I heard about the shuttle explosion, I can say that has to be only time I was wasn't shocked. I was shocked when 9/11 happen but not this. I was more stunned for what I was feeling the night before.
 
Yep... They had evidence of the issue from the previous launch of Discovery which came close to having the O-Rings burn through as well.

Challenger and Columbia piss me off to no end. The Shuttles got a bad rep when it is on management 100%.....
 
Found out in 7th grade Earth Science by our teacher who had applied to be the 'first teacher in space'. Coincidentally, it's also the anniversary of the Blizzard of 1977 which killed almost 30 people over 3.5 days.
 
I was in 6th grade, and actually looking forward to our science class that day, after playing with my friends and talking about what happened on the episode of The A-Team the night before (1/28/86 was a Tuesday). Our teacher came in and looking very somber, rolled the portable TV up to the front of the classroom, and did her best to explain the situation to all of us.

Needless to say, I had never seen our entire class well up in tears like that since our teacher a year prior reading us the entire book of Where The Red Fern Grows by Wilson Rawls. None of us could believe it.

I will say that the episode of Punky Brewster that came on that week was probably the most heartwrenching moment of any 80s child's lives at that time. Hard to believe that it was 30 years ago. :(

BL.
I too was in 6th grade. Our class went outside to watch the launch but was ushered back in quickly when that terrible tragedy happened. As kids we weren't sure what happened but staff was in tears. The classroom tv was rolled front and center and we watched the news and our little eyes filled with tears. Worst day in my life as a child. Still tugs at my heart today.
 
I remember seeing this on TV on the news - I was an undergrad at the time. Watching it, I came to the realisation that this was a salutary reminder that space travel still carried considerable risks. In fact, at the time I was struck by how - until that accident - we had almost begin to take the marvels of space travel for granted, and shrug at another announcement of a successful shuttle launch.
 
I was in 11th grade taking a chemistry exam. I was a bit preoccupied already, so the gravity of what had happened didn't really register with me until I got home that evening.

True story: back in '92-'93 or so when I was doing my undergraduate work in mechanical engineering, I was signed up for a seminar on engineering ethics, and this fellow who blew the whistle on the faulty O-rings was scheduled to speak at the seminar. He withdrew shortly before the event, we were later told there were threats to his safety. Nuts.
 
I remember that day too; I was 7 years old. The teachers in the grade school gathered all the classes to a common room and rolled out a TV for us to watch the launch live. It was a very sad day..
 
I was 20 years old when the Challenger disaster happened. What a shame in that it was a very preventable catastrophe.
 
Challenger and Columbia piss me off to no end. The Shuttles got a bad rep when it is on management 100%.....

This is entirely correct, and it's absolutely heartbreaking. I didn't know the administrative background to the Columbia story until very recently. I was home from high school for about a month that year. I remember laying in bed, sick with mono, delirious with a fever, watching that beautiful piece of engineering disintegrate.

Over ten years later, I stumbled across Wayne Hale's blog--at the time, I think he was deputy program manager of the STS program. With a heavy heart, he discussed the managerial failures of some of the operations staff. Inexcusable decision-making. I remember reading his account and thinking how far from "Failure is not an option" that particular operations team had strayed.

He has a series of entries on the topic I'll link here.
 
†he lone engineer who predicted the disaster.. link

One of those engineers at Thiokol is now finally getting some (internal, personal) peace, thanks to we common folk writing him letters.

Note: I'm going to leave this inline instead of quoting it, because while it is long, it's definitely worth the read.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...enger-shuttle-engineer-shed-30-years-of-guilt

Your Letters Helped Challenger Shuttle Engineer Shed 30 Years Of Guilt
Updated February 25, 201610:22 AM ET
Published February 25, 20169:07 AM ET
By Howard Berkes

When NPR reported Bob Ebeling's story on the 30th anniversary of the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger, hundreds of listeners and readers expressed distress and sympathy in letters and emails.


On Jan. 27, 1986, the former engineer for shuttle contractor Morton Thiokol had joined four colleagues in trying to keep Challenger grounded. They argued for hours that the launch the next morning would be the coldest ever. Freezing temperatures, their data showed, stiffened rubber O-rings that keep burning rocket fuel from leaking out of the joints in the shuttle's boosters.

But NASA officials rejected that data, and Thiokol executives overruled Ebeling and the other engineers.


"It's going to blow up," a distraught and defeated Ebeling told his wife, Darlene, when he arrived home that night.


And it did, 73 seconds after liftoff. Seven astronauts died. Cold weather and an O-ring failure were blamed, and Ebeling carried three decades of guilt.


"That was one of the mistakes God made," Ebeling, now 89, told me three weeks ago at his home in Brigham City, Utah. "He shouldn't have picked me for that job. But next time I talk to him, I'm gonna ask him, 'Why me? You picked a loser.' "


Jim Sides listened to the NPR story in his car in Jacksonville, N.C.

"When I heard he carried a burden of guilt for 30 years, it broke my heart," Sides, an engineer, says. "And I just sat there in the car in the parking lot and cried."


Like many engineers who responded to Ebeling's story, Sides knows what it's like to present data and face resistance. He's also certain about who bears responsibility for the decisions that result.


"He and his colleagues stated it very plainly. It was a dangerous day for the launch," Sides says. "But [Ebeling] was not the decision-maker. He did his job as an engineer. He should not have to carry any guilt."


Sides wrote Ebeling a letter that mentioned Roger Boisjoly, a former Thiokol colleague who died in 2012 and rallied the engineers opposing the Challenger launch. Boisjoly addressed his own depression and guilt by making the Challenger experience a case study in ethical decision-making.


Many of the engineers who also wrote Ebeling credited him and Boisjoly for engineering school discussions that focused on the Challenger decision.

"Your efforts show that your care for people comes first for you," Sides wrote to Ebeling. "I agree with your friend Roger Boisjoly. You and he and your colleagues did all that you could do."


Sides describes himself as a religious man and says Ebeling was wrong about God.


"God didn't pick a loser," he says. "He picked Bob Ebeling."


Ebeling's eyesight is so poor he can't read the letters himself. So his daughter Kathy read them aloud, including the note from Sides.


"That's easy to say," Ebeling responded. "But after hearing that, I still have that guilt right here," he said pointing to his heart.


This was a week after the Challenger anniversary story, and Ebeling sat in a wheelchair at his kitchen table, wearing a flannel shirt and pajamas. Letters and printed emails were stacked in front of him. Kathy picked another letter from the pile and tried again.


"You presented the correct data and blew the whistle," another listener wrote. "You are not a loser. You are a challenger."

Again, Ebeling wasn't moved. So I asked him if there's something more he wanted to hear.


"You aren't NASA. You aren't Thiokol," he said. "I hadn't heard any of those people."


Kathy noted that neither Thiokol nor NASA had contacted her dad since deep depression prompted his retirement shortly after the Challenger disaster.


"He's never gotten confirmation that he did do his job and he was a good worker and he told the truth," Kathy said.

Thiokol has since been absorbed by another company. There isn't anyone there or at NASA today who was likely involved in the launch decision.

But some retired participants in that decision are still alive, including 78-year-old Allan McDonald, who was Ebeling's boss at the time and a leader of the effort to postpone the launch. He called Ebeling right away.


McDonald told Ebeling that his definition of a loser is "somebody that really doesn't do anything. But worse yet, they don't care. I said, 'You did something and you really cared. That's the definition of a winner.' "


McDonald also reminded Ebeling that he first raised the alarm by calling the Kennedy Space Center, where McDonald was Thiokol's launch representative. That call prompted the 11th-hour teleconference in which the engineers told NASA it was too risky to launch.


"If you hadn't have called me," McDonald told Ebeling, "they were in such a go mode, we'd have never even had a chance to try to stop it."


McDonald also responded to some NPR listeners who were not sympathetic to Ebeling and the other Thiokol engineers. They said the engineers should have done more, including last-ditch calls to NASA's launch director or even the White House.


"You just don't do that," McDonald said. "They'd probably send a van out with some white coats and picked you up. ... The launch director doesn't take those outside calls either."


Another key participant in the launch decision was Robert Lund, who was Thiokol's vice president for engineering at the time. He was one of the company executives who approved the Challenger launch despite objections from Ebeling, Boisjoly, McDonald and others.


Lund wouldn't agree to a recorded interview, saying, "I don't want to relive it." He was reassigned by Thiokol and so "shamed by the neighbors" that his family was forced to move, he said. "It was a bad dream."


But Lund said he phoned Ebeling and told him, "You did all that you could do."


A former NASA official involved in the Challenger launch also declined to be interviewed. George Hardy was a deputy director of engineering at the Marshall Spaceflight Center, which supervised Thiokol's production of the shuttle's booster rockets. He famously said he was "appalled" when Ebeling and the other engineers argued that Challenger shouldn't fly in temperatures so cold.

Hardy now says he's gone over that night many times.

"I've concluded that's of no great value to me or anyone else," he said.


But he did see value in writing to Ebeling.


"You and your colleagues did everything that was expected of you," Hardy wrote. "The decision was a collective decision made by several NASA and Thiokol individuals. You should not torture yourself with any assumed blame."


Hardy closed with a promise to pray for Ebeling's physical and emotional health. "God bless you," he wrote.


The note from Hardy and the phone call from McDonald seemed to be a turning point. It was two weeks now after the Challenger story, and Kathy had been reading letter after letter every day. Sitting in his big easy chair in his living room, Ebeling's eyes and mood seemed brighter.


"I've seen a real change," his daughter explained. "He doesn't have a heavy heart like he did."

Ebeling then jumped in.


"I know that is the truth that my burden has been reduced," he said. "I can't say it's totally gone, but I can certainly say it's reduced."


The night before, NASA had sent a statement and Ebeling hadn't heard it yet. The statement was emailed by a spokeswoman for NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden, a former astronaut. He flew on the shuttle flight just before Challenger, and later led the effort to resume shuttle flights safely.


"We honor [the Challenger astronauts] not through bearing the burden of their loss, but by constantly reminding each other to remain vigilant," the statement read. "And to listen to those like Mr. Ebeling who have the courage to speak up so that our astronauts can safely carry out their missions."


After hearing that, Ebeling clapped long and hard, and shouted, "Bravo!"


"I've had that thought many, many times," he said.


Ebeling is now more buoyant than at any time I've seen or talked to him in the past 30 years. It's been a rough three decades, and it hasn't gotten any easier. He's near the end of his predicted life expectancy for prostate cancer and has hospice care at home. He said he'll pray for God's assessment once our interview ends.


I asked him one more question. "What would you like to say to all the people who have written you?"


"Thank you," he said. "You helped bring my worrisome mind to ease. You have to have an end to everything."


Ebeling then smiled, raised his hands above his head and clapped again. Kathy Ebeling called that a miracle.

Ebeling definitely deserves the inner peace he is now having, and I hope he continues to find more.

BL.
 
Bob Ebeling passed away this morning.

I'm definitely glad he found the inner peace he was looking for. He definitely did deserve it, and to have that type of courage and integrity to stand up say what he has against political pressure, he definitely was a winner. His family should be proud of the life he lived.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-engineer-who-warned-of-shuttle-disaster-dies

Challenger Engineer Who Warned Of Shuttle Disaster Dies
Updated March 22, 20169:20 AM ET
Published March 21, 20169:13 PM ET
by Howard Berkes

Bob Ebeling spent a third of his life consumed with guilt about the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger. But at the end of his life, his family says, he was finally able to find peace.

"It was as if he got permission from the world," says his daughter Leslie Ebeling Serna. "He was able to let that part of his life go."

Ebeling died Monday at age 89in Brigham City, Utah, after a long illness, according to his daughter Kathy Ebeling.

Hundreds of NPR readers and listeners helped Ebeling overcome persistent guilt in the weeks before his death. They sent supportive emails and letters after our January story marking the 30th anniversary of the Challenger tragedy.

Ebeling was one of five booster rocket engineers at NASA contractor Morton Thiokol who tried to stop the 1986 Challenger launch. They worried that cold temperatures overnight — the forecast said 18 degrees — would stiffen the rubber O-ring seals that prevent burning rocket fuel from leaking out of booster joints.

"We all knew if the seals failed, the shuttle would blow up," said engineer Roger Boisjoly in a 1986 interview with NPR's Daniel Zwerdling.

Ebeling was the first to sound the alarm the morning before the Challenger launch. He called his boss, Allan McDonald, who was Thiokol's representative at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

McDonald phoned Ebeling recently after hearing the NPR story.

"If you hadn't called me," McDonald told Ebeling, "they were in such a 'go' mode, we'd have never been able to stop it."

Three decades ago, McDonald organized a teleconference with NASA officials, Thiokol executives and the worried engineers.

Ebeling helped assemble the data that demonstrated the risk. Boisjoly argued for a launch delay. At first, the Thiokol executives agreed and said they wouldn't approve the launch.

"My God, Thiokol," responded Lawrence Mulloy of NASA's Marshall Spaceflight Center. "When do you want me to launch? Next April?"

Despite hours of argument and reams of data, the Thiokol executives relented. McDonald says the data were absolutely clear, but politics and pressure interfered.

Ebeling blamed himself for failing to convince Thiokol executives and NASA to wait for warmer weather.

"I think that was one of the mistakes God made," Ebeling told me in January. "He shouldn't have picked me for that job."

The morning of the launch, a distraught Ebeling drove to Thiokol's remote Utah complex with his daughter.

"He said, 'The Challenger's going to blow up. Everyone's going to die,' " Serna recalls. "And he was beating his fist on the dashboard. He was frantic."

Serna, Ebeling and Boisjoly sat together in a crowded conference room as live video of the launch appeared on a large projection screen. When Challenger exploded, Serna says, "I could feel [Ebeling] trembling. And then he wept — loudly. And then Roger started crying."

Three weeks later, I sat with Ebeling at his kitchen table, tears and anger punctuating his words. He didn't want to be recorded or named at the time. Both he and Boisjoly, who died in 2012, became NPR's anonymous sources in the first detailed account of the effort to keep Challenger grounded.

"That's my engineering background coming out," Ebeling explained three decades later. "Somebody should tell ... the truth."

Ebeling retired soon after the Challenger disaster. He used his engineering expertise and what he proudly called his love of ducks to help restore a bird refuge near his home that was damaged by floodwater from the Great Salt Lake. In 1990, President George H.W. Bush presented Ebeling with the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Award.

Ebeling continued to volunteer at the refuge for 22 years and was named the Volunteer of the Year for the National Wildlife Refuge system in 2013.

But that work didn't diminish lingering pain and guilt. God "picked a loser," Ebeling said in January, thinking back to his role in the Challenger launch.

Then Ebeling heard from hundreds of NPR readers and listeners, who responded to our January story.

"God didn't pick a loser. He picked Bob Ebeling," said Jim Sides, a utilities engineer in North Carolina.

"Bob Ebeling did his job that night," Sides continued. "He did the right thing, and that does not make him a loser. That makes him a winner."

Ebeling also heard from two of the people who had overruled the engineers back in 1986. Former Thiokol executive Robert Lund and former NASA official George Hardy told him that Challenger was not his burden to bear.

And NASA sent a statement, saying that the deaths of the seven Challenger astronauts served to remind the space agency "to remain vigilant and to listen to those like Mr. Ebeling who have the courage to speak up."

The burden began to lift even as Ebeling's health declined. A few weeks before his death, he thanked those who reached out to him.

"You helped bring my worrisome mind to ease," Ebeling said. "You have to have an end to everything."

Bob Ebeling is survived by his wife, Darlene, and 35 descendants spanning four generations, including a grandson studying engineering and granddaughter Ivy Lippard. Lippard joined NPR readers and listeners in posting a message about her grandfather on our website.

Lippard described Ebeling as a man "full of integrity" with a "legacy of compassion."

"It's an honor," she wrote, "to be able to pass down his legacy."

BL.
 
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